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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 13, 2009 14:02:35 GMT
Why can they call each other "niggers" and "pakis" between themselves but if a white man says it for a laugh a whole can of worms is opened up? I feel desperately sorry for Harry, I think he just wants to live a normal life and do normal things that people of his age want to do, but unfortunately his whole life is scrutinised, must be like the living Jerry Trueman show or whatever it's called! evans, you're not serious are you? Ok, put yourself in my wheelchair for a minute. If I'm with a disabled mate we might well refer to ourselves as 'crips'. That's done ironically, we do it for a laugh and maybe it makes us feel stronger too if we need that. Now imagine you're me and you're out in town on your own. If someone calls you a cripple, how does that feel? For me, it feels like it's all people think I am just because I happen to have an obvious disability after an accident. I'm a reasonably tough person but it can make me feel about 2 inches high. That's how it is with hate words, you might say they're only words but it's more than that. Also, it's so easy just not to do it and with respect it's the stupidest thing I've ever heard to take a stand about. Just use a different word ffs. Vestan, I know the military's its own world and if I seemed to disrespect that I didn't mean to. But if they go public on how things like this work they're going to get a lot of hostility for stuff most people now find unacceptable, it's like the Big Ron situation - no-one ever thought he despised black footballers but can you imagine Tone talking that way? It's just not on now. |
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Jan 13, 2009 14:12:06 GMT
In the current p.c climate we live in "paki" is seen as derogatory. I also despair that black people can walk around and announce each other as "nigga" openly when if a white person would most likely be done for a racial aggression charge. Nigger is a derogatory term, no buts about it, it causes offence, it was invented for that purpose. If the offended decide to take that term and make it their own to take the power out of the word, it does not mean that the word is no longer offensive, and it does not mean that non-blacks can start using it. Paki is also a derogatory term, even if it is an abbreviation of Pakistani. If you have a pakistani friend who you call paki and have banter with that is fine, but if you refer to a stranger as a paki then they will quite possibly take it badly. For example, I call a lot of my friends a C***, but if I called you a c*** you might want to throw a punch at me. |
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Post by evans1863 on Jan 13, 2009 14:17:51 GMT
"evans, you're not serious are you? Ok, put yourself in my wheelchair for a minute. If I'm with a disabled mate we might well refer to ourselves as 'crips'. That's done ironically, we do it for a laugh and maybe it makes us feel stronger too if we need that. Now imagine you're me and you're out in town on your own. If someone calls you a cripple, how does that feel? For me, it feels like it's all people think I am just because I happen to have an obvious disability after an accident. I'm a reasonably tough person but it can make me feel about 2 inches high. That's how it is with hate words, you might say they're only words but it's more than that. Also, it's so easy just not to do it and with respect it's the stupidest thing I've ever heard to take a stand about. Just use a different word ffs.
Vestan, I know the military's its own world and if I seemed to disrespect that I didn't mean to. But if they go public on how things like this work they're going to get a lot of hostility for stuff most people now find unacceptable, it's like the Big Ron situation - no-one ever thought he despised black footballers but can you imagine Tone talking that way? It's just not on now."
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Fair point Sal, however you dont refer to non-disabled in derogatory terms (well I dont think you do anyway). Sometimes the word isnt meant to cause offence IMO, just because your not "black" doesnt mean you cannot join in with "black" jokes, does it? We're getting into the whole free speach thing now, words that only "black" people can say?
When "whites" get called Honkies it's all brushed aside as a laugh, yet when it's against a black person everything gets blown out of proportion if you get me?
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Post by bondygodfatherleek on Jan 13, 2009 14:40:53 GMT
Sorry but some normally sound people are defending the indefensible here. 'Paki' isn't like 'Aussie' or 'Brit,' it's become a hate word. Like nigger, like cripple, like spack. Doesn't matter if you think that's right or wrong or want to argue with the ref, it's just how it is, the language has changed, so's the meaning for people on the receiving end and it's no longer acceptable. It might have been acceptable banter 20 years ago but anyone who uses it now IS racist and if you think it isn't racist that makes you a racist too. Take it on the chin guys. Sal. you know what i think ;D . Call a paki a paki, it only becomes racist when you say it to a Hindu.  I was called Ginge  at school and speccy four eyes . If some dick called me names,  I would just say to them ;D ;D . " SILENCE I KILL YOU." and if you ask my mates from LEEK ;D, I would   And Sal, I have a wheelchair. I've sold it on ebay, if I have to use one. I'll get one you can use yourself, I'm not being pushed around by someone. People can look, but if you take any notice? you are only crippled inside. (John Lennon). I'll bite their kneecaps off. ;D |
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Post by evans1863 on Jan 13, 2009 14:44:11 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 13, 2009 14:44:19 GMT
My point i feel is getting lost, this is not a discussion about race. Call someone you don't know a "paki" on the street and that is a racist act. Dressing it up as anything else is bollocks. What we have here is two young men, clearly pals, letting off a bit of steam prior to going off and defending our country. They clearly feel very comfortable in each others company and the paki/ginger pubes remarks is an extension of the camaraderie that they enjoy. Actions speak louder than words and seeing as the "paki" is off to defend our shores, i think we can all be rather glad he's not the type to start getting in a sensitive lather, seeing as he's going to be fucking shot at. All i'm saying is let's keep a little context. Worse things happen in China and all that. A couple of points the remarks weren't made directly to the lad they were made to camera so no joking about here as the other lad would have probably only found out about them today when Harry phoned him to apoligise. The filming was before a training exercise and not before Harry went off to fight in Iraq with his SAS / Gurkha bodyguards. |
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Post by smapples on Jan 13, 2009 14:44:25 GMT
Thing is though Evans, if a black guy came up to me and called me Vanilla Face or Milky Bar Kid, I wouldnt bat an eye lid, yet if I was a minority (in which I am in London so its not really a fair point but..) and I was teased for being white it might be different.
Although like the South Park episode I described earlier I cant talk about abuse because I am white, able bodied/minded and male, so I just dont get it.
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Post by evans1863 on Jan 13, 2009 14:54:40 GMT
Thing is though Evans, if a black guy came up to me and called me Vanilla Face or Milky Bar Kid, I wouldnt bat an eye lid, yet if I was a minority (in which I am in London so its not really a fair point but..) and I was teased for being white it might be different. Although like the South Park episode I described earlier I cant talk about abuse because I am white, able bodied/minded and male, so I just dont get it. Possibly, but do you not agree it should be 100% even? If they can call whites names jokingly then they cant start crying when it happens back IMO. |
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Post by bondygodfatherleek on Jan 13, 2009 14:57:52 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2009 16:37:21 GMT
Prince Charles is now taking flak. And what a laod of media hyped bollock it is! Sooty ffs! I didn't even know it was a racist term!  |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Jan 13, 2009 20:03:51 GMT
Do the P/C brigade really think the two year old story warrented the amount of media attention it got over the weekend. One Sky reporter said that the comments had caused outrage. I'm yet to meet anyone who gives a toss.
What we have here is a young guy in the armed forces who used the phrase "Paki friend". We now have the Prime Minister issuing statements saying he believes the Prince is genuinely sorry. You couldn't make it up.
Whilst our boys are fighting in Afghanistan, the conflict in Gaza, 1000's losing their jobs every week aren't their more important things for the News of the World to be reporting on.
As has already been posted surely it's only racist if it's used in a certain context.
People who don't understand this are the same bleeding heart liberals who find offence in the union jack.
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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 13, 2009 20:12:53 GMT
bboy, for what it's worth I think it's a storm in a teacup too. Doesn't alter my strong feelings when the subject does come up mind. And I'm certainly not the kind of socialist (liberal even) who's got a problem with the Union Jack, I believe in this country like I believe in this city. bondy, good plan. I hate being pushed, what really does my head in is someone coming up and pushing me when I don't need it. No-one's actually pushed me across the road when I didn't want to cross it, they'd get a very serious mouthful if they did. ;D Leek must be murder in a chair with all the slopes in town, keeps you fit though eh |
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Post by rhodesy on Jan 13, 2009 21:17:53 GMT
He called his mate 'sooty'.
Funniest thing I have heard in a long time. Fucking hell ;D
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 13, 2009 21:28:53 GMT
Sal, my lady, before she died, was in a wheelchair for many years. The biggest thing she hated was when people spoke to me rather than to her. Because she was in a wheelchair, they assumed she was deaf and dumb too. I'm sure you've had that. 'Sooty'. That made me laugh too. Just to throw another iron into the proverbial fire, I have a niece who is married to a Dutch lad. In Holland, their Santa's helper is a golliwog. I bet that would go down a treat here. OS. XXX |
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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 13, 2009 21:38:21 GMT
Sal, my lady, before she died, was in a wheelchair for many years. The biggest thing she hated was when people spoke to me rather than to her. Because she was in a wheelchair, they assumed she was deaf and dumb too. I'm sure you've had that. I know, what is with people that makes them do that? Also, some people always shout when they're talking to me and I just think how on earth are their minds working... Ok... she's got no legs... so obviously that means she's bound to be deaf, stands to reason doesn't it? ;D |
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 13, 2009 21:59:37 GMT
Being deaf and dumb goes with the territory, Sal. BTW, mar lady was known affectionately in the family as 'Flid'. I won't tell you what she called me. OS. |
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Post by bondygodfatherleek on Jan 14, 2009 11:48:39 GMT
bboy, for what it's worth I think it's a storm in a teacup too. Doesn't alter my strong feelings when the subject does come up mind. And I'm certainly not the kind of socialist (liberal even) who's got a problem with the Union Jack, I believe in this country like I believe in this city. Bondy, good plan. I hate being pushed, what really does my head in is someone coming up and pushing me when I don't need it. No-one's actually pushed me across the road when I didn't want to cross it, they'd get a very serious mouthful if they did. ;D Leek must be murder in a chair with all the slopes in town, keeps you fit though eh Sal, It's a Union Flag . Not the Union Jack ;D, thats a navy thing!. The Wheelchair thing , my daughters boyfriend pushed me from the car to the Brit/ stadium and stopped to looked at these badges. And let me go, , everybody trying to help  managed to stop wheels myself but the skin on my hand were f... killing me. And in the disabled part , when our fans in the Boothen think a goal is going to be scored, they all stand up leaving you in a wheelchair ??? having to watch the goals later on TV. Wrong place? . I sent mine season tickets back now Doctors orders , a Madman in a Wheelchair is no good for anybody. |
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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 14, 2009 19:13:52 GMT
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Post by bondygodfatherleek on Jan 14, 2009 23:42:00 GMT
Sound Sal, ;D but where are the red and white ones . I dunna like black my ex used to be a prison officer, I used to hate her gloves and that f... chain. And her I like me black shades though 8-)me . I was going to go sleep , but the Tamazipan is shite. |
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 15, 2009 12:10:56 GMT
Bondy, when you first started posting, I didn't like you much and thought you were crackers. Then, after a while, even though I didn't agree with you much and still thought you were crackers, I found you sort of 'interesting'. Then, after some more time, I found you amusingly crackers. Then, after even some more time, I realised that you weren't daft even though you were crackers. Then I beqan to smile at your crazy posts that were not crazy, if you know what I mean. There's a sharp brain in there behind that crackpot exterior. I still don't agree with everything you say, but you've now grown on me. You're like a fucking wart. If you've ever had one, you pick at it and then all of a sudden, it's gone and you realise that you miss it like hell. You're certainly a unique character and I like unique characters. Now I laugh at your crackpot/intelligent posts. Some people might find them a bit to the point but at least you're honest. Actually, you're very much like most guys from Leek. Inbred, crazy but great guys. BTW, take two Temazepam. Preferably before you start posting on here. NB. Most of my ancestors are buried on Boot Hill at Leek so I know what I'm talking about. We may even be related.    ??? OS. |
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Post by bondygodfatherleek on Jan 15, 2009 12:26:45 GMT
Bondy, when you first started posting, I didn't like you much and thought you were crackers. Then, after a while, even though I didn't agree with you much and still thought you were crackers, I found you sort of 'interesting'. Then, after some more time, I found you amusingly crackers. Then, after even some more time, I realised that you weren't daft even though you were crackers. Then I beqan to smile at your crazy posts that were not crazy, if you know what I mean. There's a sharp brain in there behind that crackpot exterior. I still don't agree with everything you say, but you've now grown on me. You're like a fucking wart. If you've ever had one, you pick at it and then all of a sudden, it's gone and you realise that you miss it like hell. You're certainly a unique character and I like unique characters. Now I laugh at your crackpot/intelligent posts. Some people might find them a bit to the point but at least you're honest. Actually, you're very much like most guys from Leek. Inbred, crazy but great guys. BTW, take two Temazepam. Preferably before you start posting on here. NB. Most of my ancestors are buried on Boot Hill at Leek so I know what I'm talking about. ??? OS. Old stokie, 8-)me I'm an exile neckender . Chip eater/plate maker/pot-herb. ;D ;D Born in Longton, Live in Leek ;D die for Leek. I've tried taking more than my Doctors recommend. Just look how I used to post on in the early hours. ??? ???  . |
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