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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jan 8, 2009 5:58:37 GMT
Who negotiates the fee with the agent, club and player?
Looking back at the last transfer window I got the impression that Scholes was the purse holder but Pulis set limits.
I've just seen 4m mentioned on SSN for Etherington and was gobsmacked that we are willing to pay WHU that amount of cash for a lad with so much baggage. I can only hope that there are some big stage payments with this deal otherwise its a massive risk.
The more I look at what we spent in the summer the more I feel we got dicked by more savvy negotiators. Reading must be pissing themselves at taking money off us for Sonko in particular. I still have faith in the ginger one if we get a winger in but 4.5m was a hefty sum for him too.
Wolves fans were laughing at our 3m purchase of Oli and the deals for Tonge and Soares were so late in the day that I didn't have chance to see if we had the piss taken out of us. The fact that Pulis won't give them 90 mins speaks volumes for me.
I think Pulis is at his best with little budget, playing the loan deals and reforming charachters who have lost their way a la Higginbotham and Fuller but when you are paying 4m for a player who you know has some serious problems are our management and executive team being taken for mugs on the big stage in this and in the previous transfer window?
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Post by PottersPride on Jan 8, 2009 6:20:02 GMT
i will judge at the end of the season
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jan 8, 2009 6:25:31 GMT
i will judge at the end of the season Is that fence comfy?  |
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Post by MrBigJobby on Jan 8, 2009 6:30:12 GMT
i thought it was 2mil?
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jan 8, 2009 6:40:48 GMT
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Post by MrBigJobby on Jan 8, 2009 6:41:19 GMT
etherington
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jan 8, 2009 6:49:12 GMT
Only going on what I just saw mate. |
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Post by MrBigJobby on Jan 8, 2009 6:52:44 GMT
not doubting you CP, the BBC and the Times both say 2! which i would say was a fair price, at 4 way overpriced
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jan 8, 2009 7:00:34 GMT
not doubting you CP, the BBC and the Times both say 2! which i would say was a fair price, at 4 way overpriced Even 2m is a hefty price for a guy who is sitting in the reserves with his baggage. Someone mentioned that he was on the brink of being let go by them because of his troubles. I'll be honest and say that I don't know that much about him, its only this year I've started following whats going on in the Premier League. If he was as good as we hope he is, why aren't more teams bidding for him? |
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Post by MrBigJobby on Jan 8, 2009 7:03:54 GMT
CP, I have watched him a fair few times and always looks the part, a proper left sided player and had no problem performing at this level! The worry is that TP wont know what to do!
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jan 8, 2009 7:14:51 GMT
Maybe one or two senior players will ignore Tone's tactics every now and again I await the day when the pundits on Setanta Canada/Fox Sports World Canada start to praise our style of play. They are the most clueless pundits that you can ever imagine, the sheep of the footballing media world. If this lad can edge us towards that and supply some service to Kitson so he can start to repay some of his transfer fee with goals then it will be money well spent. |
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jan 8, 2009 7:21:11 GMT
FSWC just said that we have got him but no mention of fee.
They have also confirmed that Man City have just tabled a bid for Santa Cruz in excess of US$25m. They said it was tabled late last night your time. That wasn't reported on SSN over here an hour ago.
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Post by MrBigJobby on Jan 8, 2009 7:28:06 GMT
well he is definitely the kind of player that can play balls that Kitson might appreciate and give us more than one dimension
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 8, 2009 7:29:24 GMT
To answer your question, it is Scholes who negotiates terms - although, presumably, TP says how much he thinks the player is worth before negotiations start.
I've seen more sites quoting £2 million plus contingency payments as those quoting £4 million. I can't see us paying £4 million up front for him. £2 million plus add ons is about right.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jan 8, 2009 7:35:20 GMT
To answer your question, it is Scholes who negotiates terms - although, presumably, TP says how much he thinks the player is worth before negotiations start. I've seen more sites quoting £2 million plus contingency payments as those quoting £4 million. I can't see us paying £4 million up front for him. £2 million plus add ons is about right. So would you say it was TP who gave an upper limit of 3m for Oli, 4.5m for Kitson, 2m for Sonko plus the fees for Soares and Tonge? TS comes across as a tit to me so I would like to think that it was him who was paying over the odds? |
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Post by MrBigJobby on Jan 8, 2009 7:44:41 GMT
I think those players you have mentioned maybe apart from Sonko havent been able to show their best by the way TP has been playing. Soares for example I really rate and could be exceptional given the cahnce and system to suit!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 8, 2009 7:45:51 GMT
CP I'd assume that is what happens. The manager must be in a better position than the Chief Exec to judge what a player is worth - even though he may get it wrong in hindsight on some occasions. Having been told what a player is worth it is then up to Scholes (possibly in consultation with Coates and or TP) to decide what the absolute top limit is and how much to offer up front and how much for add ons etc.
Presumably there is also a total buget for each transfer window and it will be TP who has to decide whether he needed to spend £22 million for the last window on 7 players or 10 players or any other combination. He must also give Scholes some idea of what he thinks a player is worth in wages and signing on fees so, for example, we got Sorenson for free but that may be offset by a hefty signing on fee and probably more wages than we offered Fulop who would have cost £3 million.
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Post by markscfc72 on Jan 8, 2009 7:47:30 GMT
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 8, 2009 7:48:02 GMT
Mr BJ - I think Soares has potential but not as a winger. He regards himself as a central midfielder and I'm sure he'd play better there using his pace to burst through the centre.
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Post by MrBigJobby on Jan 8, 2009 7:50:10 GMT
3 mil it is then
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jan 8, 2009 7:51:05 GMT
Well gents the Etherington deal has been announced over here as a two year deal on FSWC.
Its 12.50am and time I hit the sack.
By the time I wake up I hope to see Etherington and Camara at the Brit holding the shirt up and kissing the badge.
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Post by MrBigJobby on Jan 8, 2009 7:52:07 GMT
absolutely Forny i saw him quite a bit at Palace in the middle and he really does look the part pace, skill, strong and direct! nothing worse to defend
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Post by cousindupree on Jan 8, 2009 8:28:31 GMT
I really hope Tony Scholes isn't given the responsibility for putting a value on players....I mean what does an ex compare of Jollees nightclub know about footballers....jeez his best gag was.....'I used to take my girlfriend to Wales......to Bangor'.......how he is chief exec of our club I will never know!
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Post by daverichards on Jan 8, 2009 8:35:12 GMT
Well gents the Etherington deal has been announced over here as a two year deal on FSWC. well why haven't they announced it over here yet ? |
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Post by MrBigJobby on Jan 8, 2009 8:43:39 GMT
cousin, are you waiting for a bite?
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Post by cousindupree on Jan 8, 2009 10:06:24 GMT
MrBigJobby......Think I will have to wait a long time!...Not many will remember scholesy...he was great company to be with..sadly I watched his demise at my then local The White Lion in Barthomley.
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Post by mynamewastaken on Jan 8, 2009 10:10:33 GMT
Manager provides player + valuation to Chief Exec.
Chief Exec negotiates with club around manager's valuation.
Personal terms - wages/signing on fee etc are the pure domain of the Chief Exec and its extremely rarely that a manager will get any input.
A director of football (if there is one) usually attends the meetings where personal terms are discussed.
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