Pulis stays till the end of the season

[TheWiseMaster]

I know it, you know it, we all know it - so why post this Pulis out crap

Grow up FFS

I f you don't like the way we play - then find another line of attack. Can't think of any? - then just ask

At the end of the season, if we have been relegated then that is the time to call for his head

If we stay up then get used to the idea of legend status which will keep him in the job for some time

Do we need to improve - of course - so lets see what the transfer window has in store

Enjoy the rest of the season - whatever happens

[starkiller]

Jan 4, 2009 12:14:51 GMT TheWiseMaster said:

At the end of the season, if we have been relegated then that is the time to call for his head

Wouldn't it be too late then?



Another 23 years in the wilderness.

[tpsoldboysclub]

"pulis stays till the end of the season"

if carlsberg did nightmares .................

[bradwell]

I f you don't like the way we play - then find another line of attack. Can't think of any? - then just ask


who do we ask pulis himself, will he listen, how do we get an appointment

[johnnyrotten]

Sack him at the end of the season if we're relegated? Yes we'd be in the shit like Reading if we did that.Oh,hang on a minute....

[TheWiseMaster]

boysclub - very good ;D

strange name - just read your lines thought tp had rid of your club lol But doesn't Megson now have a good job and Francis was in demand?



Line of attack on here I mean - will he listen of course not - managers who listen to fans are doomed before they start

Example - why has he wasted all this money etc

[Bick]

Pulis should stay til the end of the season and beyond

[dadofsam]

Yeah he can't lose can he - we go down and he's just the man to bring us back up (he's done it before) if we stay up he's a legend.

Creswell and all the rest got us up as well - they're not good enough for the Prem and neither is Pulis I'm afraid.

[MrMagic]

If the worst happens TWM, and we go down, I'm sure that plenty say he needs to stay because he is capable of getting us up.

We could end up in a vicious circle where we have a manager capable of kicking his way out of the CCC but incapable of keeping the team in the Prem.

I know that if you are a Pulis fan, anything is ace as long as Tony is in charge, but as a Stoke fan, I'd like a little more.

[Davef]

Jan 4, 2009 12:46:58 GMT MrMagic said:

If the worst happens TWM, and we go down, I'm sure that plenty say he needs to stay because he is capable of getting us up.

We could end up in a vicious circle where we have a manager capable of kicking his way out of the CCC but incapable of keeping the team in the Prem.

I know that if you are a Pulis fan, anything is ace as long as Tony is in charge, but as a Stoke fan, I'd like a little more.

How can anybody be so sure that promotion back to the Premier League would be that easy? For starters, what would be the guarantee that we'd keep our team intact? How can anyone be 100% certain that we'd be able to retain the services of Sorenson, Ab Faye, Shawcross, Fuller and even Sidibe?

And despite promotion last season being a great achievement for TP, we did it with just 76 points, one of the lowest ever recorded for an automatically promoted team. In any normal season then upwards of 85 points is usually needed to get one of the two automatic spots. Does anyone, hand on heart, seriously think that TP can deliver this?

[TheWiseMaster]

I guess it depends now what happens from now on - -if we go down with 20 points then there will more than enough noise to make a change

However - if we just miss out or stay up then I would expect TP to stay

[stokemark]

Id keep Pulis - even if we go down

We have to remember how difficult it is for ANY club to stay in this division these days, let alone Stoke. Times have changed and its all about money. Pulis has made some mistakes and also got many things right.

I think he would be the best man for the job but I am now probably in the minority it seems

[TheWiseMaster]

Dave - if we continue with our home form and see more efforts like Newcastle then he will get my vote

If its more of Blackburn and Hartlepool then he won't get anyones vote - including mine

[MrMagic]

Jan 4, 2009 13:02:41 GMT TheWiseMaster said:

Dave - if we continue with our home form and see more efforts like Newcastle then he will get my vote

If its more of Blackburn and Hartlepool then he won't get anyones vote - including mine

I'll second that - hopefully we can get back to the performances of the first two months of the season. Everything except man U since Arsenal has been rubbish, home and away, but we know we are capable of more, because we have seen it.

[Kirstendunstslovebubbles]

Great idea! Sack the manager who got us into the premiership because kneejerk reactions have served clubs well in the past. Bolton and charlton stuck with allardyce and curbishley and look what happened to them? And would somebody please give me a REALISTIC replacement if we did get rid of pulis?

[MrMagic]

Jan 4, 2009 13:22:32 GMT Kirstendunstslovebubbles said:

Great idea! Sack the manager who got us into the premiership because kneejerk reactions have served clubs well in the past. Bolton and charlton stuck with allardyce and curbishley and look what happened to them? And would somebody please give me a REALISTIC replacement if we did get rid of pulis?

Bolton and Fulham also changed their managers last season and both stayed up. You can always find examples to fit either arguement.#

it is pointless naming a potential replacement, because they are all either "shit" or would never come.

[Davef]

God help us if Pulis walks or is sacked any time in the next five years because, according to some, there is no one out there to replace him.

[Big Al]

we seem to forget that Pulis up to now has chucked 20mill at this team and is now having to spend even more money replacing the replacements from summer. What and more importantly who could we have better spent this money on with the right transfer targets brought in buy someone one is not so one dimensional instead of playing the waiting game and only acquiring bargain basements

[stokemark]

I agree that Pulis has made numerous mistakes, signed some right shit and wasted a bundle.

I do also think that if it wasnt for Coates being in love with Pulis we wouldnt have invested the money we have, that there are VERY FEW decent managers AVAILABLE TO STOKE that could do a better job (Ince / Keene anyone ????) and that stability more often in the long term pays dividends than short term chopping and changing.

IF we could have got, say, Allardyce, then maybe Id think twice but I honestly cant see that there are many options out there - Thats all

[ted1965]

Well I agree with the original poster, we all know TP will not be sacked anytime soon for several reasons firstly as we all know Coates isn’t going to sack another manager mid season he’s been down that road before and it was a disaster.

He will also argue that we’re nowhere near adrift and that with significant funds available to the manager he will be strengthening significantly over the next few weeks.

He would also say, the manager deserves his support for what he’s achieved in gaining promotion last season and the fact we have 20 points at the halfway point in the season. I am sure he’d also say with significant new additions he expects much improved form and results.

At this moment I couldn’t see anything short of a run of thrashings changing that assessment and having given the manager funds to strengthen then team I doubt he would then sack him before the end of the season. Any new manager would want to bring in his own players and most likely change the way we play, not sure how easy that would be given the make up of the squad, hard to play a different brand of football unless you have players with creativity and pace to make it work.

As for the argument that nobody but Tone can keep the club out of the lower reaches of the league, well that’s garbage and just scare mongering in the extreme, it’s an easy get out clause and of course means they don’t have to debate any of his faults. It’s just easy to say well he got us promoted in the first place and therefore will do it again. It’s the kind of attitude we would guffaw at when other supporters argue it, we’d be saying you have no God given right to get promoted and how many of the better players do they think will still be here, the chances are they would be cherry picked by Premiership clubs leaving us with what we saw yesterday, so tell me how many of that team would you believe could get us promoted straight back if we go down.

It’s going to be a fascinating and I am sure frustrating few weeks as we await those much needed reinforcements but they have to be the right type of players, ones who can go straight into the side and who can add the creativity and goal power we so sadly lack at the moment.

[luke45]

Reading went down under Steve Coppell eventually, and he took them up, would you want him sacked if you were a Reading fan? i doubt it.

Getting promoted, and then finding the right blend of quality and approach to survive in the top flight, is far more difficult than alot of people think, who seem to think Pulis should be delivering 3 points every game.

Its embarassing really all this ' pulis out, he's useless etc... ' ridiculously pathetic, and it sounds it.

The bloke took us up through his own approach, this being the same approach all the ' pulis out ' people are convinced doesn't work, for a clueless inept manager, with an awful approach, i think getting us promoted to the premier league, and sitting joint 16th going into our first league game in January isn't a bad return to be honest.

[boscfc]

DaveF

Who exactly is this messiah who will come in and turn this around then????

Are you honestly suggesting that 5 months into a season is a good time to get rid of Pulis?

[MrMagic]

Jan 4, 2009 14:40:04 GMT boscfc said:

DaveF

Who exactly is this messiah who will come in and turn this around then????

Are you honestly suggesting that 5 months into a season is a good time to get rid of Pulis?

Even though I don't want him sacked.........


When would be a good time to get rid of a manager?

Bolton and Fulham both stayed in this league last season basically because they knew they looked doomed so they made a change.

Derby made a change and went down.

You can find examples to suit any perspective. If we go down, many will say that TP is the man to get us back up. Others will say he's had his chance and should sling his hook.

[lordb]

no question of TP going this season
cant see Stoke getting a decent manager in right now
wouldnt be upset if TP went after Arsenal away though

cant see PC getting rid of TP full stop mind.

[bunnyscfc]

this is a totally pontless argument - a bit like us away from home.

After all, even if we finish bottom does anybody seriously PC will ever sack TP?

Answers on a postcard to

'Of course he f***** won't ever sack him' competition
ST4
etc.

[5ManBack4]

The only time TP will leave is when PC stands down or sells up he will never be sacked as long as the current board is in control,so all these TP out threads are pretty pathetic really.TP may feel at some stage he's taken us as far as he can if we get relegated this season but what then? the decent players we have will go the team will dis band and we will have to start all over again........no thanks!!!

do we really want to be like leeds utd,bradford,southampton?....

[6fingeredfreaks]

Does PC actually enjoy watching Pulis' brand of football, he has only ever had his teams play one way and can't change it. God help us. Bring back that fat Dutch bloke, at least his interviews were funny.

[Davef]

Jan 4, 2009 14:40:04 GMT boscfc said:

DaveF

Who exactly is this messiah who will come in and turn this around then????

Are you honestly suggesting that 5 months into a season is a good time to get rid of Pulis?

How the hell have you come to that conclusion from my post? My point is that there are clearly people on this message board who think there is absolutely no one out there who could replace Pulis right now.

It's all hypothetical of course but if he did resign or was sacked tomorrow (or even at the end of the season), then Peter Coates would be charged with finding his replacement. Like I said, according to some on here, he would face an impossible task.

Coates has found and appointed managers before and he'll do it again.

[jonnyd]

Quote - Does PC actually enjoy watching Pulis' brand of football, he has only ever had his teams play one way and can't change it. God help us. Bring back that fat Dutch bloke, at least his interviews were funny.

What I am sure of is PC actually enjoys watching Stoke in the Premier league with a "competitive side", he enjoys the sell out games week in week out, he likes the number of season tickets sold, he likes the sales in the club shops, owning our own stadium and training facilities. MMMmmm lets see, does he need to change anything.....>..........

[Deleted]

Jan 4, 2009 13:24:37 GMT MrMagic said:

Jan 4, 2009 13:22:32 GMT Kirstendunstslovebubbles said:

Great idea! Sack the manager who got us into the premiership because kneejerk reactions have served clubs well in the past. Bolton and charlton stuck with allardyce and curbishley and look what happened to them? And would somebody please give me a REALISTIC replacement if we did get rid of pulis?

Bolton and Fulham also changed their managers last season and both stayed up. You can always find examples to fit either arguement.#

it is pointless naming a potential replacement, because they are all either "shit" or would never come.

Isn't that the point of a messageboard though, to argue the merits of cases such as this?

Bolton and Fulham were established Premier League clubs when they changed their managers last season. Charlton were not when they stuck with Curbishley. They kept faith with him and he established them as a Prem side.

I'm not altogether convinced that Pulis can do this, but I think sacking him now would be a mistake, as we're in a strong position to put things right - we're not Derby, we're not adrift, and we're still very much in with a shout.