sting
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Post by sting on Jan 3, 2009 21:54:21 GMT
OK, I've had chance to calm down after the journey home. I've seen Liam's apology, which seems sincere.
The real question is when will the manager take responsibility for these woeful performances. I'm still waiting for his apology to supporters for last week's shambles. Higgy stepped forward that time.
We appear to have the most secure manager in the Premier League, possibly in any league (except Ferguson). Is this healthy? Can TP be trusted to spend even more money?
I know this posting will get the 20 point argument and "TP got us up". I am not disrespecting these important facts. Isn't it time that there was an open and rational debate? I saw and heard a lot of people today who were not at all happy.
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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 3, 2009 21:55:30 GMT
What a good post. I'd never have expected to accuse Tone of burying his head in the sand but at the moment that's what's happening. imho.
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Post by MrMagic on Jan 3, 2009 21:59:25 GMT
To be honest, i think you may have hit the nail on the head. His job security may well be affecting his performance.
If there were more chance of him being given the boot, then maybe he might act with a little more urgency.
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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 3, 2009 22:01:16 GMT
Are we sure he's as secure as all that? PC lives in the real world, he's run very successful businesses, I just can't believe he doesn't have a contingency plan if the slide gets worse. Whether he'd really do it is another question.
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Post by supersmashinggreat on Jan 3, 2009 22:04:01 GMT
Isn't it time that there was an open and rational debate? I saw and heard a lot of people today who were not at all happy.
you can't please everyone all the time. there are plenty of threads for you to moan on if you wish
Oh and nice to see a moderator being impartial
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Post by chuffed on Jan 3, 2009 22:04:26 GMT
I think one factor in the negative Pulis' posts is his reluctance to be open with the fans and the media. When does he ever actually answer a question from radio Stoke about whats going on with players, team tactics and the like, or about transfer targets. No wonder there is so much comment when no one knows whats going on at their own club. Personally, I think Pulis is and has been doing a good job but it wouldn't hurt to be a bit more forthcoming.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2009 22:05:46 GMT
Coates is a businessman and if people aren't performing I'm sure he'd sack them. Same applies for TP I suspect but he is secure of his job of that I'm sure. Coates would weale the axe but not after the run we've had. Time is needed, granted it may be too late but that is a gamble imo we have to take.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2009 22:06:43 GMT
Isn't it time that there was an open and rational debate? I saw and heard a lot of people today who were not at all happy. you can't please eveyone all the time. there are plenty of threads for you to moan on if you wish Take that as a firm no
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Post by bogus on Jan 3, 2009 22:10:41 GMT
I can see your point. A "That is simply not good enough" wouldn't go amiss. I'm not really sure a manager under severe pressure and fearful for his job is the way to go, though. It doesn't seem to have been the case with Ince, Keane, Ramos etc etc.
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Post by supersmashinggreat on Jan 3, 2009 22:16:02 GMT
;D at bayern
i'm not against criticism, but i bet the moaners don't attend most matches.
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Post by stokelad84 on Jan 3, 2009 22:19:33 GMT
a lot of the moaners are the ones who 'will never go to a stoke game as long as pulis is in charge!'
the idiots
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2009 22:23:20 GMT
a lot of the moaners are the ones who 'will never go to a stoke game as long as pulis is in charge!' the idiots Yes the vast numbers-loony,...........................
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Post by jarhead on Jan 3, 2009 22:27:04 GMT
Never his fault only when we win which is rare that he loves himself!
Its bad that he can do what he wants and get away with it.
He has to step up and admit he has got the Pericard situation all wrong or is he that alien to us fans that he see's summat we certainly don't on a saturday afternoon? if he did i might reason with him but No no its NEVER HIS FAULT!! Thats bad for the club in general.
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Post by DodgyDino on Jan 3, 2009 22:38:17 GMT
I think before a ball was kicked this season every Stoke fan believed TP would be safe even if we went straight back down. Unknown to us all im sure we would never have believed he would spend over 20 million and come the end of January spend even more. Knowing this now with the amount of money hes likely to spend does he deserve to be in the job if we take the drop.......I dont think he does, Im just praying that any signings made in January improve the team this time.
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Post by bertieb on Jan 4, 2009 1:05:52 GMT
supersmashinggreat, surely the mods are allowed to have their own opinions, being a mod on here should'nt disbar them from disagreeing or agreeing with posts.
TP takes full accountability in my eyes for the money he has wasted pre season. He has a shit record whenever he has had decent money to buy at whatever club he has been at.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 4, 2009 2:30:22 GMT
A really interesting and indeed original suggestion.
I can't recall this question being asked before.
"We appear to have the most secure manager in the Premier League, possibly in any league (except Ferguson). Is this healthy?"
Would the approach of Pulis be any different if he didn't believe his job was as safe as houses?
Great question sting.
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Post by Peters Pipe on Jan 4, 2009 2:38:17 GMT
I am not one to really knock the current state of affairs generally at the club, and I feel sacking TP would not do us any favours at all right now. However, I honestly think that Pulis' attitude and sense of urgency would be no different to that it is now. I really do think he is doing his best, which quite frankly, worries the sheep out of me.
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sting
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Post by sting on Jan 4, 2009 9:37:42 GMT
I'm not advocating we sack Pulis at this time. The only reason for doing this now would be if there was a ready-made replacement who knows this level, as with Allardyce at Blackburn. It is not the right time to throw another inexperienced manager in. They would be on a hiding to nothing, with a group of players who are not their own and everyone needs time to assemble their own team and establish their own style.
I do have concerns regarding TP's ability in the transfer market. TP is very good at "try before you buy". Many of his more influential signings have been on loan in the past, eventually turning into permanent deals. Where they failed they simply bit the dust with no further burden on the club. Thanks goodness that was the case with Ameobi!
TP has in my opinion made three decent signings this season. Sorenson, who was a free, Higgy, who had previous, and Ab Faye. The rest were a gamble. Last season's big money signings we had on loan first, except Whelan who has also struggled. I would prefer us not to buy big now. Loans would make more sense. The club needs to build some flexibility into its strategy.
Whether we stay up or not, this squad is not good enough. If they are, then the failings are with the coaching and leadership. TP can't have his cake and eat it.
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Post by Northy on Jan 4, 2009 9:54:03 GMT
Lets face it that team that was out yesterday was mostly his signings, apart from Dicko (unless he gave him a new contract) that's 10 out of the 11 I'm sure I'll get corrected by ID or LP though and only Wilkinson out of the subs weren't his signings Simmonsen, Davies, Shawcross, Sonko, Soares, Delap, Olofinjana, Whelan, Tongue, Pericard £12m for the starting 11 Sorenson, Wilkinson, Higginbotham, Faye, Lawrence, Diao, Kitson £10m for the subs? So he should be accountable and PC should be dragging him into his office on Monday morning for a sever bollocking of potential wasted revenue; stop any bonus's this month for those that played.
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Jan 4, 2009 10:11:16 GMT
Although I think Pulis has generally handled the media with great credit, he is, I think, his own worst enemy when it comes to (non)communicating with the fans. Together with his apparent stubbornness and unwillingness to admit errors (continued selection of Pericard the most obvious) he opens himself up to criticism, some of it considered & reasonable, some of it taking the form of lunatic rantings.
Unfortunately, can't see him changing, but would rather have his approach than, for example, the public humiliation carried out by Phil Brown, or the outbursts of Joe Kinnear.
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