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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Jan 3, 2009 15:52:24 GMT
Whilst I am very unhappy at losing to Hartlepool, some of the posts on here regarding the match and Pulis are astounding. Lets look at a few issues and we can see how things could have been so different.
1) Wilko sending off vs Man U and we would have achieved at least a point. Is that the fault of Pulis? No.
2) Fuller & Griffin spat. Fancied at least a point and probably all 3 had we scored to go ahead again and Fuller on the pitch. Silly spat that cost us dearly. Is that the fault of Pulis? No
3) Defeat to Derby in the Carling cup QF - Cresswell goal chalked off for nothing. Very controversial penalty in the dying minutes to hand derby the match. Is that the fault of Pulis? No
Today, we had one fit striker available in Pericard. Who else could Pulis have picked? Lawrence is a good player but hes no striker. Dave Kitson only trained on Thursday and so hes hardly match fit to compete to his full potential against a Hartlepool team motivated to beat a stoke premier side in their cup final.
The facts are, had lady luck had shined on us a little more and we had the rub of the green from officials etc, then things could have been so much rosier. There is a fine line between success and failure and that is why I am confident we can turn things around. We are 3 points off 11th place in the Premier league with a very difficult month ahead. However, we have money to spend in the transfer window and 3-4 players could really boost us and help us turn the corner. Our current form is not ideal to attract players but we are well in the hunt to stay up. After January, we play some very winnable games in a cluster. Home Games such as Newcastle, Boro, Portsmouth, Blackburn, Wigan, Bolton and away games to Hull, WBA, Sunderland etc.
Keep the faith and get behind the players in this difficult spot. This time last year, we were still fighting in the CCC and dreaming of the Prem. Now we are here, we need to do our utmost to ensure we stay here. Chopping and changing now will achieve nothing. We need to support the team 100% and back them all the way. Getting on their backs will only serve to compound a very difficult period for the club and the players that will make it even more tough to get out of.
SGS
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Post by GazMcNicol on Jan 3, 2009 16:04:02 GMT
Whilst I am very unhappy at losing to Hartlepool, some of the posts on here regarding the match and Pulis are astounding. Lets look at a few issues and we can see how things could have been so different. 1) Wilko sending off vs Man U and we would have achieved at least a point. Is that the fault of Pulis? No. 2) Fuller & Griffin spat. Fancied at least a point and probably all 3 had we scored to go ahead again and Fuller on the pitch. Silly spat that cost us dearly. Is that the fault of Pulis? No 3) Defeat to Derby in the Carling cup QF - Cresswell goal chalked off for nothing. Very controversial penalty in the dying minutes to hand derby the match. Is that the fault of Pulis? No Today, we had one fit striker available in Pericard. Who else could Pulis have picked? Lawrence is a good player but hes no striker. Dave Kitson only trained on Thursday and so hes hardly match fit to compete to his full potential against a Hartlepool team motivated to beat a stoke premier side in their cup final. The facts are, had lady luck had shined on us a little more and we had the rub of the green from officials etc, then things could have been so much rosier. There is a fine line between success and failure and that is why I am confident we can turn things around. We are 3 points off 11th place in the Premier league with a very difficult month ahead. However, we have money to spend in the transfer window and 3-4 players could really boost us and help us turn the corner. Our current form is not ideal to attract players but we are well in the hunt to stay up. After January, we play some very winnable games in a cluster. Home Games such as Newcastle, Boro, Portsmouth, Blackburn, Wigan, Bolton and away games to Hull, WBA, Sunderland etc. Keep the faith and get behind the players in this difficult spot. This time last year, we were still fighting in the CCC and dreaming of the Prem. Now we are here, we need to do our utmost to ensure we stay here. Chopping and changing now will achieve nothing. We need to support the team 100% and back them all the way. Getting on their backs will only serve to compound a very difficult period for the club and the players that will make it even more tough to get out of. SGS And my winner of 'post of the day' is... ...SGS! |
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Post by potterspride88 on Jan 3, 2009 16:06:24 GMT
I couldnt agree more, im sick and tired of reading "pulis out" all the time
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Post by Spiderman on Jan 3, 2009 16:07:00 GMT
Lady luck has nothing to do with Pulis wasting the better part of £20m insisting on playing players out of their depth out of position and unfit and playing Jurassic tactics (even against lower league teams).
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Jan 3, 2009 16:07:10 GMT
SGS are you emplyed as Pulis's pr man?
The performance today was a disgrace.
No ideas and once again no Plan B
8 of the players today Pulis signed, so whats the excuse now?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 3, 2009 16:08:24 GMT
There's no doubt our luck has been out for a while now but luck doesn't explain largely abysmal summer transfer dealings, a totally unbalanced squad and being outclassed by a very poor third division outfit.
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Post by Beattie's Black Eye on Jan 3, 2009 16:09:50 GMT
SOME SENSE AT LAST
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Post by Spiderman on Jan 3, 2009 16:10:03 GMT
SGS are you emplyed as Pulis's pr man? The performance today was a disgrace. No ideas and once again no Plan B 8 of the players today Pulis signed, so whats the excuse now? 10 of the players that started today were signed by Pulis |
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Jan 3, 2009 16:11:55 GMT
Guys, Im not looking for excuses. I said at the start of the post that I am very unhappy at losing to Hartlepool. However, its one game, it was their cup final and it aint a disaster we are out. We played so well against Man U and deserved a point from the English, European and World champions. We self imploded vs West Ham and we all know what happnened but we had been the better team up until that. I am sure the targets are in place and we need them sooner rather than later.
SGS
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Post by NE8Stokie on Jan 3, 2009 16:15:44 GMT
There must be a reason why TP is the manager and not any of us. We're all arm chair managers but it's TP who IS the manager not us, he must have some sort of clue at what he's doing! Perspective is indeed required. We're in the PREM FFS! Sod the FA & Carling Cups, Prem survival is what we're after.
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Post by sutekh on Jan 3, 2009 16:17:02 GMT
Quite right sgs.
Next people will be saying it's pulis's fault for spunking the best part of 18m on kitson,olifijana,tonge,soares etc.
Absolute nonsense imo.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Jan 3, 2009 16:17:43 GMT
THe reason is that Coates thinks the sun shines out of his arse
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Jan 3, 2009 16:18:04 GMT
Quite right sgs. Next people will be saying it's pulis's fault for spunking the best part of 18m on kitson,olifijana,tonge,soares etc. Absolute nonsense imo. Whats nonsense? SGS |
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Post by magicmanfuller on Jan 3, 2009 16:24:40 GMT
Agree with you SGS. Looking at the next 5 fixtures think we are going to be in the relegation zone for abit longer. hopefully if we sign some players and everyone gets fit we can go on a charge
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Jan 3, 2009 16:27:06 GMT
sign players like the ones he signed at the beginning of the sesason?
how many more centre halves do we need?
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Post by eriksson74 on Jan 3, 2009 16:30:52 GMT
1) Yes he should have subbed Wilko, as he had got himself het up by the cheating runt. Subbing Wilko would have left us with 11 men for the ful 90 mins. (You see this approach by many managers who potentially see a player being sent off)
2) Yes, Griff again should have been subbed as he was injured - you can't get away with playing injured players. No Griff on the pitch no fighting
3) Nothing controversial about it, it was handball - I will give you that one Pulis couldn't have done much other than got his defenders switched on to protect against a quick corner
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 3, 2009 16:43:49 GMT
I firmly believe that everyone who posts on here regularly wants our football club to do well.
Tony Pulis was the man in charge when we finally got back to the big time, he achieved this through a great deal of effort, a surprising amount of financial backing, an ability to spend small sums wisely and a dollop of luck that all successful football managers get from time to time.
The opposing factions and opinions on this board are regrettable if they are truly damaging the chances of the team, however I have been to every game this season apart from today and have been thrilled with the unflinching support of the fans.
Yes there are a few mumbles and grumbles , but these are voiced privately and can not be reaching the ears of the players and therefore can not be held responsible for their performances unlike the encouragement that is the overwhelming norm.
Recent results have been very disappointing, recent performances even more so. It is then only natural that people will voice criticism. Some of those who do this go to far and appear to have their own agendas of self publicity(i feel most of these are people who haven't been to a game for a very long time), but we should all accept that the majority are genuine fans with valid opinions.
I am a fan of SCFC not a manager. I will defend my team against any outsider who slights us but I will also defend the rights of Stoke fans to voice their concerns about their club to other Stoke fans.
Surely we all recognise the fact that TP is a controversial manager. He has split opinions of fans at every club he has been at. We must all have had to defend our team and our tactics to the majority of fans from other clubs we have spoken to since TP has been in charge. At its best our game is committed, aggressive , fast, direct and leads to lots of goal mouth activity. At its worst it is dull, tedious, and one dimensional.
Yes let's show some perspective. Our club is in a better position than it was. But we all also need to show some perspective when others raise opinions that don't concur with our own.
Lets all try to respect each others views.
We are after all Stoke, we will always be here !
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Jan 3, 2009 17:17:28 GMT
I agree.
We are not the only ones to be disappointed tonight. Look at Man city. With the players they have and financial muscle, they find themselves at the wrong end of the table and losing to forest 0-3 at home. Given the resources betweem us and man city, I think their result is worse.
SGS
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