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Post by nathan on Jan 1, 2009 14:59:53 GMT
This is a line that has been banded about quite frequently since the spotlight fell on Griff somewhat after that incident.
Basically, I am at a loss to why people consider Griffin to be having a good season. He's been alright at home, poor away. One in two for a decent performance isn't a great ratio and doesn't constitute having a good season. He's having a mixed season and away from home is really exposed due to the greater area.
His performance this season is improved from last season .. not hard though, mind.
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Post by daverichards on Jan 1, 2009 15:07:41 GMT
because he has, would you like me to go and get the oatcake player ratings list from the Man U copy ?
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Post by Beardy200 on Jan 1, 2009 15:08:46 GMT
Totally agree GlassKnee's. He's been talked about as if he's been immense all year. The best i can manage is he's had a couple of blinders, lots of average games and a few mares. Now i'm the first to agree he hasn't been as big of a problem as i thought he would be but some people have gone way overboard with how well he has played. I'd put him in the Creswell mould ... good tryer but basically not good enough for this level.
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Post by nathan on Jan 1, 2009 15:12:14 GMT
because he has, would you like me to go and get the oatcake player ratings list from the Man U copy ? Do what you like, David. Bolton Pompey Man City N'castle (defending for the second goal was poor) West Ham (not bad until the worse piece of defending this season)
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Post by Beardy200 on Jan 1, 2009 15:13:07 GMT
He was very ordinary against West Brom aswell
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Post by daverichards on Jan 1, 2009 15:14:47 GMT
1 Ab Faye 17 games avge 7.35 2 Sorro 16 games avge 7.06 3 Higgi 17 games avge 6.94 4 Fuller 20 games avge 6.80 5 Griffin 17 games avge 6.70
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Post by stokelad84 on Jan 1, 2009 15:16:54 GMT
Considering people were expecting him to have a nightmare every game like he did when he was with derdy, the majority of his games have been good
If you think he has been poor, then surely the same thing can be said about Shawcross and Higgy...
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Post by nathan on Jan 1, 2009 15:18:00 GMT
1 Ab Faye 17 games avge 7.35 2 Sorro 16 games avge 7.06 3 Higgi 17 games avge 6.94 4 Fuller 20 games avge 6.80 5 Griffin 17 games avge 6.70 Well for my money Delap should be ahead of him. Clearly his form has tailed off somewhat since he picked up that injury, but still. ... and Mama.
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Post by Beardy200 on Jan 1, 2009 15:19:00 GMT
To be fair Dave i think that is partly our point that we believe lots of people have mis-judged how well he has played because he was so poor last season we were expecting problems every week. I think he has been greatly improved but not great. Plus he's a defender, we've kept a lot of clean sheets in very poor games where defences were on top so if we don't concede defenders will always get better scores.
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Post by nathan on Jan 1, 2009 15:20:12 GMT
Considering people were expecting him to have a nightmare every game like he did when he was with derdy, the majority of his games have been good If you think he has been poor, then surely the same thing can be said about Shawcross and Higgy... Why? Shawcross had a shocking game against Bolton, was left out and for the most part has been outstanding since he's returned, bar the odd game. Higgy's been more consistent than Griffin. He's been good for the most part, though has had the odd poor game.
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Post by Assmaster on Jan 1, 2009 15:22:16 GMT
I suppose that list could also be a testament to exactly how awful some of our other players have been if Griffin is 5th.
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Post by daverichards on Jan 1, 2009 15:22:22 GMT
To me it just reads like the witch hunt i spoke of the other day, I've been reading and posting on this MB long enough to see the signals that the Boo Boys need a new target, and see when they have some one in their sights.
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Post by white wall boy on Jan 1, 2009 15:22:24 GMT
1 Ab Faye 17 games avge 7.35 2 Sorro 16 games avge 7.06 3 Higgi 17 games avge 6.94 4 Fuller 20 games avge 6.80 5 Griffin 17 games avge 6.70 ratings are always subjective I find its much better to remember the few mistakes a players made and then blow them completely out of proportion when I have an axe to grind against said player when required
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Jan 1, 2009 15:23:44 GMT
He's been pretty sound to be fair, not done a lot wrong.
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Post by nathan on Jan 1, 2009 15:25:02 GMT
Complete over-reaction from David. I'm merely attempting to put the record straight .. Griffin is having an average/mixed/ok season, not an immense one as stated by some.
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Post by Beardy200 on Jan 1, 2009 15:30:58 GMT
Sorry Dave ... i'm sure as you live on here that you read allsorts but for me personally (and if you've ever taken any notice of what i may write) i've never been a boo boy and i don't do witch hunts. I do balanced posts based on what i see and don't get emotionally involved as most. I totally agree with GlassKnees ... he's done OK which for what i was expecting from him is great. Immense he definitely hasn't been and he always looks the weak part of the defence to me. Higgy on the other side has been great though and if he could learn how to cross instead of punt he'd be having a blinder.
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Post by daverichards on Jan 1, 2009 15:31:54 GMT
Griffin is having an average/mixed/ok season, not an immense one as stated by some. but at the start of this thread you were slating people for saying he had had a "good season", now its an "immense" season . Please could you clarify which you disagree with, as I agree he hasn't had an "immense" season, but has had a "good" season, so I started off being in a position to disagree with your original statement, but now you have changed tack, I am now in agreement with you. Oh and could provide evidence that ANYONE had claimed he has had an immense season, please, as I too would like to laugh at them
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Post by stokelad84 on Jan 1, 2009 15:33:27 GMT
Griff and Cresswell are the scapegoats for any loss or drop of points
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Post by white wall boy on Jan 1, 2009 15:36:03 GMT
Griff and Cresswell are the scapegoats for any loss or drop of points only for the last two seasons
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Jan 1, 2009 15:38:00 GMT
Griffin is a weak link mate.
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Post by nathan on Jan 1, 2009 15:40:37 GMT
Griffin is having an average/mixed/ok season, not an immense one as stated by some. but at the start of this thread you were slating people for saying he had had a "good season", now its an "immense" season . Please could you clarify which you disagree with, as I agree he hasn't had an "immense" season, but has had a "good" season, so I started off being in a position to disagree with your original statement, but now you have changed tack, I am now in agreement with you. Oh and could provide evidence that ANYONE had claimed he has had an immense season, please, as I too would like to laugh at them Wind ya neck in David. I disagree with Griffin having a good, excellent or immense season. There have been suggestions on this board that Griffin has been significantly better than average. oatcakefanzine.proboards27.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=Potters&thread=57407&page=1#686653
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Post by Beardy200 on Jan 1, 2009 15:47:12 GMT
He's certainly not in my top few best players this season: Abdy Faye Sorenson Fuller Sidibe Higgy Shawcross Delap Diao Whelan (only part of the season) have all been much better than Griff in my eyes ... mind you my eyes can be a bit rose-tinted ... sorry i don't mean rose-tinted, i mean blood-shot
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 1, 2009 15:50:40 GMT
Those three sentences sum up the season that Griff has had for us so far, absolutely perfectly.
Not saying he should be dropped or owt, but that's a pretty accurate assessment for me.
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Post by MrMagic on Jan 1, 2009 15:52:08 GMT
I think he's having a decent season. It's dead easy to pick up on a couple of mistakes and amplify them, this has happened with countless players in the past who have suddenly become unpopular with a small section of the support.
If you want to pick out mistakes, there are plenty that Diao, Am Faye, Shawcross, Higgy in particular have made.
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Jan 1, 2009 15:53:12 GMT
Defenders performances are based on hoe many mistakes they make, cus ets face it if defenders fuck up then they can cost the team the game....
How many fuck ups/mistakes has griff made, how many pints as he cost us?
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Post by white wall boy on Jan 1, 2009 15:56:54 GMT
Defenders performances are based on hoe many mistakes they make, cus ets face it if defenders fuck up then they can cost the team the game.... How many fuck ups/mistakes has griff made, how many pints as he cost us? I've had to drink a few pints I admit ;D
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Post by boscfc on Jan 1, 2009 16:01:59 GMT
weak link
embarrassed against any sort of pace I'm afraid.
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Post by tpsoldboysclub on Jan 1, 2009 16:03:11 GMT
weak link embarrassed against any sort of pace I'm afraid. agreed
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Jan 1, 2009 16:15:29 GMT
Fucking hell!!! He's come up against the pace of the the likes of Ronaldo, Lennon, Ashley young, and as faired not bad really. World class, really fast wingers who course the best full back in the world problems
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Post by white wall boy on Jan 1, 2009 16:23:53 GMT
Fucking hell!!! He's come up against the pace of the the likes of Ronaldo, Lennon, Ashley young, and as faired not bad really. World class, really fast wingers who course the best full back in the world problems well I'm sorry Griff needs to pull his finger out, if he's not keeping those no hopers under complete control he obviously ain't good enough. Uncle Peter's cheque book ain't big enough for Wayne Bridge, Cashley, Neville............ffs
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