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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 29, 2008 19:00:11 GMT
It feels like every other post today is about the need to get rid of (or ritually disembowel) one player, two players, half a dozen players or even a manager. And an awful lot of the thinking is destructive, what's that about, is it just still anger from yesterday?
Tone's patiently building a Prem side from a Champ one, he's been nursing sub-standard players and trying to keep their confidence up through an injury crisis and we've had a couple of really bad breaks, this last one self-inflicted. I just don't get why there are so many irrational, extreme reactions 24 hours later. The last thing any sane manager would do at this stage in the season is pull his side to pieces, what he needs to do most is hold it together and keep adding the right kind of quality.
So really I'm saying he's got to be tough but constructive, why aren't more of us trying to be constructive too.
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Post by stokie25 on Dec 29, 2008 19:04:10 GMT
Absolutely bang on the money, Sal! The words 'knee jerk' spring to mind!!
I suspect that the current events and the prospect of the transfer window opening, is causing some unrest.....i bloody hope we're not disappointed!!
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Post by nathan on Dec 29, 2008 19:04:50 GMT
Constructive? Why doesn't Pulis bring in players he has the confidence to play instead of favouring a workhorse striker to play in their position? Why doesn't he play people in their natural positions (ie; Cres) to ensure it is not necessary to bring the biggest waste of Oxygen known to man that is Pericard? Is Griffin the man we want to move forward with as captain after how he conducted himself yesterday?
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Post by werrington on Dec 29, 2008 19:05:36 GMT
We are doomed i tell you...doomed  |
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Post by Rory's Towel Boy on Dec 29, 2008 19:08:01 GMT
Some of the threads on here have been pointless to be honest. Couple of days ago Fuller was being compared to Stein. Now hes not worth it... Doesnt make sense. Over the top reactions and when people calm down, they'll see the short sightedness of their comments. Oh and btw, Fullers slap will give us a 10 point deduction, and we wont get another point this season, thus obtaining a lower points tally than Derby. Pulis, Fuller and Griffin out  |
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Post by stonestokie! on Dec 29, 2008 19:09:27 GMT
last time i checked i hadn't got my knife out
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Post by rambo61 on Dec 29, 2008 19:19:38 GMT
Some of the threads on here have been pointless to be honest. Couple of days ago Fuller was being compared to Stein. Now hes not worth it... Doesnt make sense. Over the top reactions and when people calm down, they'll see the short sightedness of their comments. Oh and btw, Fullers slap will give us a 10 point deduction, and we wont get another point this season, thus obtaining a lower points tally than Derby. Pulis, Fuller and Griffin out Why the hell would Fullers slap warrant a 10 point deduction??Oh yeah....just reread your post and note a touch of irony there!!! I should just delete this post but want to publicly humiliate myself!!! ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 29, 2008 20:38:09 GMT
Tone's patiently building a Prem side from a Champ one, he's been nursing sub-standard players and trying to keep their confidence up through an injury crisis and we've had a couple of really bad breaks, this last one self-inflicted. I just don't get why there are so many irrational, extreme reactions 24 hours later. The last thing any sane manager would do at this stage in the season is pull his side to pieces, what he needs to do most is hold it together and keep adding the right kind of quality. So really I'm saying he's got to be tough but constructive, why aren't more of us trying to be constructive too. OK lets be constructive Tell me why he spent £15million on players he won't play? Stoke City can't afford to waste that kind of money. Tell me why he plays players he deemed not good enough for the Championship? Tell me why he has no plan B Convince me, that under Tony Pulis, Stoke will avoid relegation? |
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Post by salopstick on Dec 29, 2008 20:39:24 GMT
tbh sal, all season the majority have been bemoaning the repeated selection of cresswell as a winger
bemoaning the lack of a decent run for soares and tonge, two players he bought to build us from a champ to prem side
the moaning of fuller's temperment and workrate despite his genius has always gone on
yesterday brought all this to a head
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Post by stokie25 on Dec 29, 2008 20:42:49 GMT
Have a chat with yourself, Pugsley...do you even read these threads??? If not, have a scroll through, sunshine....you may learn something! We've had this discussion over the last few days. BTW...we MAY not avoid relegation, but i for one, don't feel the need to justify it  |
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 29, 2008 20:44:46 GMT
I've been bemoaning too, although he's stopped one of my long-running moans by giving Whelan games at last. I guess the thing with Cressy vs Tonge and Soares is that Tone knows where he is with Cressy, but I'm not defending him over that either, or persisting with Rory when he was half dead. Maybe that's it then, the autumn nagging's turned into a full-scale bloodbath...  |
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 29, 2008 20:45:10 GMT
Have a chat with yourself, Pugsley...do you even read these threads??? If not, have a scroll through, sunshine....you may learn something! We've had this discussion over the last few days. BTW...we MAY not avoid relegation, but i for one, don't feel the need to justify it You may not need to justify it, but with the likelihood of having spent the best part of £30million I would like someone to. Why are you happy clappers so ready to accept anything the club or Manager does? |
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 29, 2008 20:48:33 GMT
Erm, who's a happy clapper here? No-one who's being basically pro-Pulis in this thread isn't critical of his mistakes, I'm one of the first to have a go at him if I think he's wrong. That doesn't suddenly turn him into Antichrist though.
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 29, 2008 20:49:26 GMT
because we are competing admirably with the likes of Newcastle, Spurs, Man City etc.
And theres nobody else who could take Pulis' place is there?
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Post by stokie25 on Dec 29, 2008 20:52:11 GMT
who said i was a happy clapper? Whelan has had some time and Cress is doing what he can from absolutely nothing, since he's on the wing, for a change Are you stark, raving, my friend??? We have absolutely nothing, as yet, to take us against Liverpool....have you any suggestions at all!! |
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Dec 29, 2008 21:25:52 GMT
Constructive? Why doesn't Pulis bring in players he has the confidence to play instead of favouring a workhorse striker to play in their position? Why doesn't he play people in their natural positions (ie; Cres) to ensure it is not necessary to bring the biggest waste of Oxygen known to man that is Pericard? Is Griffin the man we want to move forward with as captain after how he conducted himself yesterday? Pericard is pretty useless, but the biggest waste of oxygen? Please see my signature. |
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 29, 2008 21:31:58 GMT
Sal, it's 'Why has' and not Why's. As a mod, you have to know stuff. Just in case I don't get to 'speak' to you again, many thanks for the job you [and the other 'guys'] are doing and may I wish you a wonderful and trouble free 2009. And non-relegation of course.  OS. XXX |
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 30, 2008 14:29:09 GMT
arse licker |
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 30, 2008 14:30:27 GMT
Pedantic arse-licker though, you've got to give him that ;D
Cheers OS, Happy New Year and just watch us claw our way back up to mid-table in 2009.
xxx
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Post by eriksson74 on Dec 30, 2008 14:48:28 GMT
Absolutely bang on the money, Sal! The words 'knee jerk' spring to mind!! I suspect that the current events and the prospect of the transfer window opening, is causing some unrest.....i bloody hope we're not disappointed!! Knee Jerk??? this has been coming for a while, away performances are a disgrace 3 points from 24. Only one win in 9 and only 5 goals scored I would hardly call it a knee jerk reaction, we are half way through the season and have not made any progress what so ever. Mistakes are not being learnt from and he keeps persisting with tried and failed tactics an players. I would suggest memaidsal that the fans are being more constructive than the blind stubborn one who is burying his head in the sand |
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Post by stokie25 on Dec 30, 2008 15:01:42 GMT
Eriksson, ok..knee jerk probably wasn't the right phrase to use, but as fans we knew it would be hard, and it seems it's getting harder. The majority of people, myself included, were simmering as things have systematically gone wrong, whether it's been injuries, tactics, formation or suspensions. Now, suddenly with lost points at Blackburn and West Ham, the short term loss of Fuller and no Abdy for Liverpool, not to mention Pericard jogging out of the tunnel every game, i suppose i should have said "the straw that broke the camels back". We are losing a bit of optimism but we should retain some patience, for now. That said, i'm itching to see what January brings us in terms of acquisitions....so i'm reserving judgment.....i just hope we take full advantage of it! Edit: However, i do reserve the right to totally change my tune if in February, Vincent Pericard is even as close to the Brit as the A50, let alone the bench |
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Post by GrandStokie on Dec 30, 2008 15:03:06 GMT
I think frustration gets to some people so much that they have to blurt it out. I get just as frustrated as the rest of them when things don't go well but I try to keep things in perspective. And to be fair some fans have justified grievances regarding Pulis' team selections which have been baffling at times?
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Post by boscfc on Dec 30, 2008 15:10:57 GMT
eriksson
20 points at the half way stage.
No progress?
did you honestly expect more?
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Post by nathan on Dec 30, 2008 15:21:36 GMT
I'm tired of these happy-clappers.
I don't expect miracles from Pulis and have an understanding of where we are at and what we can realistically achieve. 20 point isn't a bad return but, equally, it could be better. Pulis has done well to get us here but if we go down it will not be without regret. There is no justification for a manager spending the best part of £4 million on two players brought in to play wide and persisting with the technically limited, workhorse poacher that goes by the name Creswell. No justification whatsoever.
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Post by boscfc on Dec 30, 2008 15:27:25 GMT
agreed
but talk of getting rid is plain daft.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 30, 2008 15:29:57 GMT
I'm praying for relegation to be honest, comparing the club / team / support to this time last year we've not moved on at all. Sooner we can get back to 2nd or even third tier football the better. I honestly expected us to be in a UEFA place by now, having beaten more established clubs to the signatures of half a dozen top internationals in the summer.
Get fucking real people, we will have good runs this season (4 wins in Oct/Nov) and bad runs (2 points from 15 in December). We will no doubt have a tough January but I didn't expect any more than we have now, what the club needs now is our support, not a load of armchair managers who think they could do better because they could attract better players and redefine our way of playing overnight.
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Post by nathan on Dec 30, 2008 15:31:21 GMT
agreed but talk of getting rid is plain daft. You're right on that score. We've been woeful on the road and TP needs to address it. His team selections at times have, to put it mildly, been "debatable". |
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Post by nathan on Dec 30, 2008 15:35:32 GMT
I'm praying for relegation to be honest, comparing the club / team / support to this time last year we've not moved on at all. Sooner we can get back to 2nd or even third tier football the better. I honestly expected us to be in a UEFA place by now, having beaten more established clubs to the signatures of half a dozen top internationals in the summer. Get fucking real people, we will have good runs this season (4 wins in Oct/Nov) and bad runs (2 points from 15 in December). We will no doubt have a tough January but I didn't expect any more than we have now, what the club needs now is our support, not a load of armchair managers who think they could do better because they could attract better players and redefine our way of playing overnight. My issue isn't how many points we've amassed, as I'd of probably taken it at the start of the season, but how we could have amassed more. Playing your best team is a good place to start. |
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Post by Dr Oetcake on Dec 30, 2008 15:52:30 GMT
Cuz its stabbin season..!
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Post by eriksson74 on Dec 30, 2008 18:42:59 GMT
eriksson 20 points at the half way stage. No progress? did you honestly expect more? The points return should be greater than what it is, that besides given the return and performances of the 2nd quarter compared to the 1st quarter then we have regressed rather than progressed. Stokie 25, "straw that broke the camels back" is a better way of putting it than knee jerk. January is a massive month, for Tone to acquire the players to keep us up, I worry that his past record he will fail on that score I hope to be proved wrong though |
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