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Post by CrazyPotter on Dec 6, 2008 23:56:18 GMT
The guy is fooking quality. He was a different class today, clever quick balls into feet, nice interchanging of the play - and he's a fiesty little fooker! Pugh aswell did a decent job. He must have started based on his performance vs Newcastle last season.
However, Whelan must start from now on. Guy is quality, and he came over to clap at the end.
Oh, and why the fook didn't they show Griffs 'Hoefkens' style flick too! ;D ;D The coonts!
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Post by kingdeano on Dec 6, 2008 23:58:46 GMT
trappotoni is no mug, he knows a footballer when he ees one, and if whelan can play for ireland then he can play for us, aint it nice see some quality on the ball, instead of fucking diao just running round like a prick then playing backward balls!
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Post by Joules on Dec 7, 2008 0:01:15 GMT
Agree. Glenn has come on loads and has earned his place in the first team.
Just as good (or even better) than Cresswell.
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Post by CrazyPotter on Dec 7, 2008 0:07:32 GMT
Agree. Glenn has come on loads and has earned his place in the first team. Just as good (or even better) than Cresswell. He's a hundred times better than Cressie to be honest mate. I love Cressie for the effort he puts in, but Glenn is pure quality on the ball. He's gotta start from now on...
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 7, 2008 0:11:11 GMT
I've been waiting for Glen to really impress me as he has underwhelmed me a tad up to now if I'm honest. Today however he was excellent and on this showing deserves a start next week.
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Dec 7, 2008 0:14:40 GMT
I've always thought Whelan was a class player, it's just a shame TP has taken so long to realise. At the moment he's the only player in the side who can pick a pass, and his set piece delivery today was top drawer. He's got to start next week.
On another note, it seems like Olofinjana is completely out of favour with TP, because to be honest I expected him to come on today for Diao, thankfully TP saw sense though.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 7, 2008 0:21:31 GMT
I've always thought Whelan was a class player, it's just a shame TP has taken so long to realise. At the moment he's the only player in the side who can pick a pass, and his set piece delivery today was top drawer. He's got to start next week. On another note, it seems like Olofinjana is completely out of favour with TP, because to be honest I expected him to come on today for Diao, thankfully TP saw sense though. Spot on, it would appear TP has grown weary of Seyi's displays with Amdy Faye, Whelan and now Pughy ahead of him in the pecking order. Good move I say as he's been a massive let down so far.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 7, 2008 0:42:18 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 7, 2008 8:22:47 GMT
Whelans dead ball deliveries were excellent. Pity there was nobody on the end of them. He should have took the corners.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 7, 2008 8:26:11 GMT
a good corner taker has severely been lacking this season
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 7, 2008 8:28:54 GMT
salopstick, don't start me on corners mate. It frustrates the shit out of me. All the worse for the commentators who say every game without fail that we are ace at corners and a real threat.
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Post by hatchett on Dec 7, 2008 9:43:02 GMT
I haven been banging on about this for months now. He is always the second name on the team sheet (Given first) fo Ireland.
The lad plays good football and he should start IMO Stoke are a better team with Whelan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2008 10:18:25 GMT
I agree, the second half was a joy to watch & he was at the heart of it. He deserves his chance against fulham.
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Post by tazi on Dec 7, 2008 10:23:51 GMT
Glen Whelan will start, and do you know why he will start?......It will be because Pulis has seen Glens attitude after not having a run in the first team since the opening day of the season and Pulis would have learned/taken on board more about not only Glen Whelan the player but more so Glen Whelan the man.
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Post by Northy on Dec 7, 2008 10:39:57 GMT
SSShh, don't tell albert tatlock, he reckons he's crap
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Post by tony harrison on Dec 7, 2008 11:38:34 GMT
Glen Whelan is our best midfield player and Pulis should realise this.
He should after yesterdays second half performance.
Welll done Whelan, you should have been in from the start of the season, a class player imho.
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Post by tazi on Dec 7, 2008 11:56:12 GMT
It's at times like these where you could look back and think 'did Pulis really know what he was doing when he dropped Whelan or was it just luck that he began to perform better, or was it because Pulis wanted to see if Whelan had a strong resolving character' - keep him hungry if you like. Either way we may never find out, but as long as he performs admirably then that tells me that both Whelan himself and pulis must be doing something right in complementing each other.
I would say that the above is excellent man management skills because football is not just about your supposed best 11 footballers.
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Post by th05 on Dec 7, 2008 11:58:26 GMT
trappotoni is no mug, he knows a footballer when he ees one, and if whelan can play for ireland then he can play for us, aint it nice see some quality on the ball, instead of fucking diao just running round like a prick then playing backward balls! Diao does a job that goes unnoticed, he is quality. I would start him and Whelan in the middle next week.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Dec 7, 2008 12:00:01 GMT
But if Whelan had been playing in the games that he's been sat on the bench, I think that we would have more points to show for the season so far, if only for his set-peice deliveries.
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Post by tazi on Dec 7, 2008 12:03:35 GMT
I've always thought Whelan was a class player, it's just a shame TP has taken so long to realise. At the moment he's the only player in the side who can pick a pass, and his set piece delivery today was top drawer. He's got to start next week. On another note, it seems like Olofinjana is completely out of favour with TP, because to be honest I expected him to come on today for Diao, thankfully TP saw sense though. Spot on, it would appear TP has grown weary of Seyi's displays with Amdy Faye, Whelan and now Pughy ahead of him in the pecking order. Good move I say as he's been a massive let down so far. Do you for one minute believe that Pulis doesn't realise what a decent player Whelan is?. Another side of the coin is testing to see how good someones character is after deserving to be dropped. Show bottle, fight and above all else character and then you can start to show your qualities because without the above then you have nothing in which to fall back on. Pulis knows his stuff mate, and if one thing he's doing and doing well he's building character that will then enhance qualities.
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 7, 2008 12:05:20 GMT
Pulis dropped Whelan because he wasn't playing very well. It's that simple. Now, after his latest display, he has earned the chance to play from the off. Don't expect it to be automatic though. Pulis picks players [except his favourites] for certain games depending on their qualities. For instance, I suspect that against both Fulham and Manure, he will pick Diao for his battling qualities at the back. Perhaps they should both start...one defensive midfielder and one attacking one. Isn't that what we've all been asking for?
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Post by broadack on Dec 7, 2008 12:06:44 GMT
It was a great day all round for Glenn. A real eye-catching display at Newcastle, then only a few hours later, progression to the final of x-factor. Well done Glenn!
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Dec 7, 2008 12:07:11 GMT
It was a great day all round for Glenn. A real eye-catching display at Newcastle, then only a few hours later, progression to the semi-final of x-factor. Well done Glenn! I dont get it.
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Post by tazi on Dec 7, 2008 12:12:22 GMT
But if Whelan had been playing in the games that he's been sat on the bench, I think that we would have more points to show for the season so far, if only for his set-peice deliveries. Ive seen Whelan in the reserves and he has being poor 'albeit not for a few weeks now' and based on those performances Pulis would be rather silly to have picked him for our squad. No doubt now he's showing both his character and determination which when you show these only then can you perform to your optimum. It's about keeping e'm hungry when they're showing a desire, and then to bring e'm up and around the first team, but it's an art in getting the timing to perfection so that a player is still at their pinnacle by busting a gut to get there, but you could also destroy a players confidence if you judge it badly. With the decent performances Danny Pugh has put in for the reserves over quite a long period of weeks now, it's no surprise to see him around the first team squad because football is not simply just about your supposed best 11 players. Edit - wilko's another, playing well for the reserves and deservedly gets called up to be around the first team squad. Few weeks ago i said to Wilko 'it's great to see you around the first team squad again' - and you know what? he grinned and said 'thanks mate' and that's because he knows that he's earned it. Pulis, he aint daft mate, he knows exactly what he's got.
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 7, 2008 12:22:02 GMT
Good post, Tazi. It's called 'man-management'. I agree with you. Some will fall by the wayside because they don't have the bottle and others will be chomping at the bit. You then select the battlers. It's like that in a male environment. We had the same down the pit. If somebody wasn't prepared to put themselves in danger to make sure their mates were safe, you soon got rid of them. You end up with as tight a knit group as is possible. The same applies to the army.
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Post by tazi on Dec 7, 2008 12:33:22 GMT
Good post, Tazi. It's called 'man-management'. I agree with you. Some will fall by the wayside because they don't have the bottle and others will be chomping at the bit. You then select the battlers. OS. Exactly mate, exactly. Great post of yours too, which i fully appreciate. Just hitting on one of your previous postings, do i think Whelan will start against Fulham? 'i'm not too sure, but personally speaking i would play him because like for like we are as good as Fulham. Whereas on the other hand if we were playing Manchester United then i would be saying to Glen Whelan 'look Glen i would much prefer to stiffen up our middle guard' and for that i would much prefer for you to be on the bench. By doing it that way not only does Pulis stick to his philosophy in playing defensive minded players in order to stifle their flair players but he also gets again to see Glen's character. If we are losing we bring him on, if we are winning and we go onto win and Glen mopes around the place because he didn't get to play in a big big match then it's going to knock him back somewhat, because above all else it's a team game and different matches require different tactics and different players but above all else YOU SHOULD be happy with your team-mates because they have done you proud and in the next match you could very well return that compliment. Football is never about your supposed best 11 players.
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Post by glouscesterstokie on Dec 7, 2008 12:35:27 GMT
whelan is class ive always rated him
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Post by tazi on Dec 7, 2008 12:37:06 GMT
whelan is class ive always rated him He's looking class now apparantly, but is that good man management?.....In my opinion, most definately, as explained above.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 7, 2008 12:46:59 GMT
Tazi a lot of what you say may indeed be accurate, but I can add a couple of other points to the debate.
I thought Whelan was our best player at Bolton, but we really haven't seen much of him since, apart from Carling Cup appearances where I also think he's been the pick of the bunch, so I'm not entirely sure where he 'lost his form'.
Surely we have to consider also that Pulis can at times be a bit of a stubborn bugger.
He spent 3 mil (plus?) in the close season on Seyi, surely brought in to 'improve' on what we already had, i guess that would be, erm ... Whelan. So for a good chunk of the season at least, Glenn wouldn't be getting a look in regardless of his form.
Also Pulis has certainly started our Premiership campaign very much with the mindset that we ain't going to be gathering too many points trying to play football, indeed that pretty much the only way were going to survive this season would be by out muscling sides and nicking wins.
Now however, it would appear that Tone is probably close to accepting that he's going to have to put the Oli signing down to experience, and just maybe after yesterdays' second half performance he might consider that we actually do have enough ability in our ranks to mean that we don't start games (especially away) so negatively.
For Glenn not to be in the starting eleven (at least until January) would be, in my humble opinion, foolish rather than stubborn.
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Post by tazi on Dec 7, 2008 12:54:30 GMT
If i could just reply to your first part 'need to go to bed, back at work tonight'. I didn't see it my-self but maybe Whelan was dropped for displaying a poor response upon him being substituted. Pulis wanted to make a change for what he percieved to be for the better of the team. I could understand his frustration but football is and allways will be a team game and perhaps that instance is now making Glen Whelan the man which hand in hand is hopefully now making Glen Whelan the footballer. Personally speaking i dont go along with the perception that Glen Whelan stood out in those cup matches - well not all of them anyway.
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