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Post by thelegendtoddy on Dec 3, 2008 17:37:14 GMT
I don't live in Stoke and I never have but have supported the club all my life and watched my first game at the Victoria Ground over 30 years ago, my two sons are also avid Stoke fans having managed in their younger days to force them away from the "bright lights" of your liverpools and manure etc with a promise that the 'glory' days at Stoke would one day return.
I like to dip into this board now and again because I find it really interesting reading what fellow supporters young and old are thinking and felt it was always a good barometer of the club but I have to say that just lately anybody who dares to post an opinion saying that maybe things are not actually all that great is generally shot down in flames and slautered by fellow supporters who seem to be walking round with 'premier league' glazed over eyes but I can't help but think that there are a lot of supporters out there who seem to have the Emperor's New Clothes syndrome and are just pretending that because we are now playing in the Premier League that it somehow makes up for the fact that the football we are now playing is utter rubbish...... and we're not getting better ......we're getting worse.
The football we have played over the last couple of years has not been very entertaining to say the least but some would say it was effective because last May it got us promoted..........Tony Pulis then spends over £20 million ( the 6th highest spenders in the EU ) on a number of players who nobody really rated at the time and have since been proved more or less right and we now have a team which is worse than the one we left the championship with........why are we all pretending that we are happy with what we see and whilst we can sing 'we are premier league say we are premier league'.......everything is ok.
Surely it was no surprise last night that the ground wasn't a sell out even at reduced prices when supporters know the sort of football they are going to see and we all know as the club knows that if it wasn't for the hull, fulham games etc being multi games they wouldn't have been sellouts, the turnout and support this season has been fantastic and I feel proud bringing my boys upto games at the Brit this season and showing them what a full house at Stoke is like but I do fear that even if we manage to stay up with the brand of football we are experiencing at the moment next seasons gates will be much lower.
Most go to football for the atmosphere and entertaiment....we certainly have the atmosphere but we are seriously lacking in entertainment, we have no creativity, no flare and as one poster said in another thread if Rory and Ricci are injured we 'might as well call in sick' because we have absolutely nothing to offer, you only have to look at the bench every week to see that we can't change anything because the players on the bench are no different to the one's on the pitch a point that is made regularly by the media.......and on the media, they can't all be wrong yet everyone to a man whether it be the radio, tv, written press or pundits are saying we are unattractive and poor and statisticaly having the the lowest accurate pass rate in the premier league coupled with the least amount of attempts on goal by quite some margin......its hard to argue their wrong.
I just think its time we stopped pretending that everythings ok, took off our 'Premier League' rose tinted glasses and actually acknowledged that what we are paying to watch is actually about as poor as it gets........and things need to change pretty quickly
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2008 17:46:09 GMT
I don't live in Stoke and I never have but have supported the club all my life and watched my first game at the Victoria Ground over 30 years ago, my two sons are also avid Stoke fans having managed in their younger days to force them away from the "bright lights" of your liverpools and manure etc with a promise that the 'glory' days at Stoke would one day return. I like to dip into this board now and again because I find it really interesting reading what fellow supporters young and old are thinking and felt it was always a good barometer of the club but I have to say that just lately anybody who dares to post an opinion saying that maybe things are not actually all that great is generally shot down in flames and slautered by fellow supporters who seem to be walking round with 'premier league' glazed over eyes but I can't help but think that there are a lot of supporters out there who seem to have the Emperor's New Clothes syndrome and are just pretending that because we are now playing in the Premier League that it somehow makes up for the fact that the football we are now playing is utter rubbish...... and we're not getting better ......we're getting worse. The football we have played over the last couple of years has not been very entertaining to say the least but some would say it was effective because last May it got us promoted..........Tony Pulis then spends over £20 million ( the 6th highest spenders in the EU ) on a number of players who nobody really rated at the time and have since been proved more or less right and we now have a team which is worse than the one we left the championship with........why are we all pretending that we are happy with what we see and whilst we can sing 'we are premier league say we are premier league'.......everything is ok. Surely it was no surprise last night that the ground wasn't a sell out even at reduced prices when supporters know the sort of football they are going to see and we all know as the club knows that if it wasn't for the hull, fulham games etc being multi games they wouldn't have been sellouts, the turnout and support this season has been fantastic and I fell proud bringing my boys upto games at the Brit this season and showing them what a full house at Stoke is like but I do fear that even if we manage to stay up with the brand of football we are experiencing at the moment next seasons gates will be much lower. Most go to football for the atmosphere and entertaiment....we certainly have the atmosphere but we are seriously lacking in entertainment, we have no creativity, no flare and as one poster said in another thread if Rory and Ricci are injured we 'might as well call in sick' because we have absolutely nothing to offer, you only have to look at the bench every week to see that we can't change anything because the players on the bench are no different to the one's on the pitch a point that is made regularly by the media.......and on the media, they can't all be wrong yet everyone to a man whether it be the radio, tv, written press or pundits are saying we are unattractive and poor and statisticaly having the the lowest accurate pass rate in the premier league coupled with the least amount of attempts on goal by quite some margin......its hard to argue their wrong. I just think its time we stopped pretending that everythings ok, took off our 'Premier League' rose tinted glasses and actually acknowledged that what we are paying to watch is actually about as poor as it gets........and things need to change pretty quickly Good post fella......!!! The football for me is pretty basic but I would argue that on the whole certainly at The Brit the games itself have been exciting and for the most part provided value for money. We definitely played it too long against Hull, I can't comment on last night because I didn't go. For me though we are at a crossroads, we can't keep relying on our home form to pull us through, we have to be more adventurous away from home. Also our main weapons are Rory and Fuller this cannot continue. Two goals in open play in the last twelve games tells its own story. The signs are there and in the transfer window we must heed them otherwise we could be in for a struggle next Spring. |
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Post by thelegendtoddy on Dec 3, 2008 18:00:07 GMT
Greenhoff
Don't get me wrong we had a great time at the villa and everton games but unfortunatley thats about where the fun stopped
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Post by sutekh on Dec 3, 2008 18:44:15 GMT
Spot on fella.
Unfortunately after 23yrs of dross,some of the folk at the brit who have known no different think pulisball is exceptional as it got us promoted from an average championship.
It is anti football
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2008 18:49:13 GMT
Bollocks.
Would you rather we were like West Brom? RESULTS are what matter. Sorry, but that's the game now. We're in a relegation fight and scraping results to stay up is far more important than anything else.
Is The Championship any better this year than last year?
From what I've seen today, anyone who ISN'T suggesting we should all go out and shoot ourselves is being ridiculed as some sort of happy clapping ****.
To suggest we have a worse team than last season...is that why we've got 18 points by December and are quite nicely mid-table in the so-called "best league in the world"?
I know last night was crap, but a bit of perspective wouldn't go amiss.
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Post by thelegendtoddy on Dec 3, 2008 19:06:14 GMT
Bollocks. To suggest we have a worse team than last season...is that why we've got 18 points by December and are quite nicely mid-table in the so-called "best league in the world"? Thats exactly what I mean about 'rose tinted glasses'......"nicely mid-table"..........we are 3 points off a relegation spot with a -10 goal difference..............that kind of statement is the very reason why I felt the need to post |
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Post by stokie25 on Dec 3, 2008 19:10:01 GMT
in all fairness RVD....we're hardly getting the results, either, are we? I said from the outset of this season (phenomenal win against Villa) that the benchmark would be the games against the likes of Hull and WBA....am i the only one who thinks we were lucky to get 4 points from them? Last night (granted a cup game) would be the turning point for me, if i was Tony Pulis....absolutely shocking display, and we can't blame the ref, the weather or eff all else but for those out there in the strip.....22,000 turned up, but the players didn't bother IMHO! Quite right, thelegendtoddy....i will don my tin hat for the onslaught, since converse opinions here seem to cause outrage  (But how many of you have had one moment today, where you thought the same ??? ) And just for the record, i love this premier league season, Tony Pulis, his tactics, Tony Scholes, Peter Coates, the ticket office, scfcdirect and the club shop....just to avoid controversy ;D |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 3, 2008 19:12:54 GMT
I was entertained at the WBA and Hull games. I thought both were tactical battles and it was good to watch. We have created plenty of opportunities in both games and people just want to moan! We're 14th in the league, doing well and the only thing that needs to improve is our finishing.
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Post by stokie25 on Dec 3, 2008 19:32:21 GMT
People just want to moan? Bayern, that could not be further from the truth for me! I love this club and want us to work to our strengths and abilities and stick em up to those who doubt us.....but if i was convinced the lads were going all out to win, i'd accept ANY defeat - even against Vale ??? Truth is, there is a real confidence issue with the lads at present, that majorly needs addressing! Can people not see their heads going down, and the cumbersome strolling about? I pray to God that someone/something kicks em up the arse for the Toon! 14th IS a fantastic achievement, but a couple of bad results will see us at the bottom of the barrel, and i fear that our confidence won't be strong enough to pull us back to here...Sorry for the downer, folks  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2008 19:39:34 GMT
rose tinted glasses for sure.the football in the last three matches has been dire to say the least.i think we'll be lucky to get one point out of the next four matches, you can see defeat coming against newcastle at least 3-0 i'm expecting. don't for one minute think i want this to happen but i just see it coming like night follows day.very, very depressed, don't want to go down playing this dross!!
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Post by crimesy on Dec 3, 2008 19:42:43 GMT
i dont care if the footballs basic tbh, as long as i get an ectting/intresting game, which this season i have seen more than any other already.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 3, 2008 19:44:01 GMT
14th IS a fantastic achievement, but a couple of bad results will see us at the bottom of the barrel, and i fear that our confidence won't be strong enough to pull us back to here...Sorry for the downer, folks 14th at this moment doesn't mean a whole lot, especially in this years ultra tight division. 14th after the last match would be a fantastic (beyond our wildest dreams?) achievement. |
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Post by stokemark on Dec 3, 2008 19:44:59 GMT
So - Reading between the lines we need to be playing 'entertaining' football (by that I think you mean more of a passing game) and winning week in week out because we have spent £20M ???
Well - Firstly that simply isnt going to happen - There will always be a trade off somewhere along the line - Yes, quote Hull but they are the exception rather than the rule and I would argue that they are 'direct' without a great deal of end product.
£20M is playing catch up with teams who have spent literally hundreds of millions in the years proceeding our entry into the Prem - Sunderland spent £45m and just about stayed up last year (old news I know but worth re-iterating)
I think that people simply need to get a grip - We are doing brilliantly and I am so proud of my team. Yes, Id love a bit more flare but if we get to January with 20 points (which is really within our reach) then Uncle Peter will release the purse strings and who knows who we will get.
I do think that expectations by some are rediculous and need to be tempered by a dose of reality - TP will not change his spots, nor should he but give him time to build on these excellent foundations and lets see what we acheive.
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Post by redrob on Dec 3, 2008 19:51:03 GMT
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Post by Jimbo on Dec 3, 2008 19:51:23 GMT
An interesting post.
I don't agree with all of it, especially the bit about attendances falling. A Carling Cup game against Derby will not attract a full house. I also doubt attendances will fall if we stay up. This season's home games have been very exciting.
I have a slightly different perspective on what you mean by style of football. I don't quite subscribe to the entertainment school of thought in a West Brazil sense. Entertaining football has to be effective. We need to be effective and get results. But with time, and if we could in years to come regard ourselves as an established Premier League side, I'd hope for our style of play to evolve and become more entertaining.
My main concern is not entertainment but effectiveness. No doubt we are a nightmare to play against with our physical and direct style. But we're also becoming predictable, and the last three home games have seen Brazil, Hull and Derby come with a game plan.
We're too reliant on Fuller to produce something out of nothing, or for Rory's throw. Fuller is the only match winner we have.
My hope for January is for TP to identify and attract some creative and pacy players. He's said himself that we need them, so now the hard part is getting them. If he manages it, we'll be able to mix the style of play, have a Plan B, and be able to unlock defences in tight games.
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 3, 2008 19:53:05 GMT
What a patronising load of nonsense. The legend of Toddy. Where do I start??????
Well lets start with the legend of Toddy shall we-the guy who left us "a la Kavanagh" in 1996. For the biggest part of the following 12 years we were in the doldrums and I for one thought we might never make it back to the promissed land. We were never close to getting back and never looked like we had the ambition to do so.
I would argue that the football we have played in the last 2 years has indeed been more entertaining than you make out. What is it you want from your game-Goals, victories, excitement, fancy football? Well we managed 3 of those at least and if you dont agree you've either got your head buried in the sand or you simply havent been to games.
Forgive us if we've got Premier League "glazed over our eyes" as you put it but whats wrong with that? I for one have been to most games since Toddy was around and well before he arrived so forgive me if I enjoy the Premier.
With regards to the Emporers new clothes syndrome, you need to credit us with as much intelligence as you think you have. I think most of us agree we could improve at times but this was to be expected as the new boys in the Premier. Realistic fans will accept this.
We're getting worse are we? Worse since when. Alan Hudsons days, last Saturday, or the victory over Arsenal?
As for the ground being a sell out, are you aware of the attendances for this competition. Stoke fans have just forked out 60 odd quid for two league games so maybe the Credit Crunch is something that has escaped you. Full houses for near enough every league game this year must mean the fans are delighted with the football they watch. By the way Old Trafford is half full tonight!
Pulis has spent £20 mill on a number of players that cost the same amount as say Robbie Keane. Thats the market we are in unfortunately unless you can add a few million quid to the kitty.
The jury is out on some of those signings, but at least give some credit for those such as Sorensen and Faye, or do they not count?
Most go to football to see their team win mate. I do. Yes I would like fancy football as well but I accept our limitations.
Unfortunately we have only scored 15 goals, after being second highest scorers last year lets not conveniently forget. Then again Portsmouth with their multi million pound strike force have only scored 3 more, and those perennial passing artistes from West Ham and West Brom have only scored 17 and 11 respectively.
I wonder if the fans of the 6 clubs below us are posing the same issues as you. I wonder if Man City's Robinhio called in sick they would be bottom of the league.
Its not a case of pretending things are OK mate its about supporting your team. Most of us expected a scrap this year but I would suggest that most of us would take the position that we are in at this stage.
Those that criticise always seem to do so on the back of a bad result and disappear when we have a good one. Put it down to disappointment.
Lets sack Pulis eh and get Iain Dowie in.
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Post by mikeyb99 on Dec 3, 2008 20:01:29 GMT
I don't live in Stoke and I never have but have supported the club all my life and watched my first game at the Victoria Ground over 30 years ago, my two sons are also avid Stoke fans having managed in their younger days to force them away from the "bright lights" of your liverpools and manure etc with a promise that the 'glory' days at Stoke would one day return. I like to dip into this board now and again because I find it really interesting reading what fellow supporters young and old are thinking and felt it was always a good barometer of the club but I have to say that just lately anybody who dares to post an opinion saying that maybe things are not actually all that great is generally shot down in flames and slautered by fellow supporters who seem to be walking round with 'premier league' glazed over eyes but I can't help but think that there are a lot of supporters out there who seem to have the Emperor's New Clothes syndrome and are just pretending that because we are now playing in the Premier League that it somehow makes up for the fact that the football we are now playing is utter rubbish...... and we're not getting better ......we're getting worse. The football we have played over the last couple of years has not been very entertaining to say the least but some would say it was effective because last May it got us promoted..........Tony Pulis then spends over £20 million ( the 6th highest spenders in the EU ) on a number of players who nobody really rated at the time and have since been proved more or less right and we now have a team which is worse than the one we left the championship with........why are we all pretending that we are happy with what we see and whilst we can sing 'we are premier league say we are premier league'.......everything is ok. Surely it was no surprise last night that the ground wasn't a sell out even at reduced prices when supporters know the sort of football they are going to see and we all know as the club knows that if it wasn't for the hull, fulham games etc being multi games they wouldn't have been sellouts, the turnout and support this season has been fantastic and I fell proud bringing my boys upto games at the Brit this season and showing them what a full house at Stoke is like but I do fear that even if we manage to stay up with the brand of football we are experiencing at the moment next seasons gates will be much lower. Most go to football for the atmosphere and entertaiment....we certainly have the atmosphere but we are seriously lacking in entertainment, we have no creativity, no flare and as one poster said in another thread if Rory and Ricci are injured we 'might as well call in sick' because we have absolutely nothing to offer, you only have to look at the bench every week to see that we can't change anything because the players on the bench are no different to the one's on the pitch a point that is made regularly by the media.......and on the media, they can't all be wrong yet everyone to a man whether it be the radio, tv, written press or pundits are saying we are unattractive and poor and statisticaly having the the lowest accurate pass rate in the premier league coupled with the least amount of attempts on goal by quite some margin......its hard to argue their wrong. I just think its time we stopped pretending that everythings ok, took off our 'Premier League' rose tinted glasses and actually acknowledged that what we are paying to watch is actually about as poor as it gets........and things need to change pretty quickly I honestly think that what you've written is correct - but only in relation to the last five games since the Arsenal result. Before then, we were improving in every sense game after game, culminating in the tactical victory over Arsenal. We were not only becoming a more effective 'direct' team, but actually playing some decent stuff on the ground too. Since then, we've struggled to string two passes together and completely given up on the patient approach play that gave us victory against Tottenham and Sunderland. To compound this, it appears that Hull and now Derby have sussed-out the long throw by simply leaving more players up field. I am still confident (as we all should be) that TP can turn this around, and he appeared to recognise that there are serious issues to be dealt with in his post match interview last night - which is encouraging. The team is better now than it was when we were promoted and I think that - bar Seyi and Kitson - the £12.5m has been money well spent. As long as we make some crucial signings in January that add some creativity and cutting-edge to our play there is no reason why we can't continue to be optimistic about this season IMO. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 3, 2008 20:06:54 GMT
What a patronising load of nonsense. The legend of Toddy. Where do I start?????? Well lets start with the legend of Toddy shall we-the guy who left us "a la Kavanagh" in 1996. For the biggest part of the following 12 years we were in the doldrums and I for one thought we might never make it back to the promissed land. We were never close to getting back and never looked like we had the ambition to do so. I would argue that the football we have played in the last 2 years has indeed been more entertaining than you make out. What is it you want from your game-Goals, victories, excitement, fancy football? Well we managed 3 of those at least and if you dont agree you've either got your head buried in the sand or you simply havent been to games. Forgive us if we've got Premier League "glazed over our eyes" as you put it but whats wrong with that? I for one have been to most games since Toddy was around and well before he arrived so forgive me if I enjoy the Premier. With regards to the Emporers new clothes syndrome, you need to credit us with as much intelligence as you think you have. I think most of us agree we could improve at times but this was to be expected as the new boys in the Premier. Realistic fans will accept this. We're getting worse are we? Worse since when. Alan Hudsons days, last Saturday, or the victory over Arsenal? As for the ground being a sell out, are you aware of the attendances for this competition. Stoke fans have just forked out 60 odd quid for two league games so maybe the Credit Crunch is something that has escaped you. Full houses for near enough every league game this year must mean the fans are delighted with the football they watch. Pulis has spent £20 mill on a number of players that cost the same amount as say Robbie Keane. Thats the market we are in unfortunately unless you can add a few million quid to the kitty. The jury is out on some of those signings, but at least give some credit for those such as Sorensen and Faye, or do they not count? Most go to football to see their team win mate. I do. Yes I would like fancy football as well but I accept our limitations. Unfortunately we have only scored 15 goals, after being second highest scorers last year lets not conveniently forget. Then again Portsmouth with their multi million pound strike force have only scored 3 more, and those perennial passing artistes from West Ham and West Brom have only scored 17 and 11 respectively. I wonder if the fans of the 6 clubs below us are posing the same issues as you. I wonder if Man City's Robinhio called in sick they would be bottom of the league. Its not a case of pretending things are OK mate its about supporting your team. Most of us expected a scrap this year but I would suggest that most of us would take the position that we are in at this stage. Those that criticise always seem to do so on the back of a bad result and disappear when we have a good one. Put it down to disappointment. Lets sack Pulis eh and get Iain Dowie in. Spot on... As soon as we lose the odd game..out comes the dummy-spitters talking their usual bollox... Considering that we've just had 2 home games...have Man U/Fulham tickets to buy...ony a couple of weeks to Xmas..people losing their jobs...freezing weather conditions...22,000 was a very decent turn-out for an evening game..in a league-cup competition... OK we haven't exactly set the world on fire..but what do you expect when 10 players cost us 20 million? When Man City paid twice that much for one player..and they aren't even top 4.. Get real FFS.. |
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Post by thelegendtoddy on Dec 3, 2008 20:12:04 GMT
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To quote you ........"I would argue that the football we have played in the last 2 years has indeed been more entertaining than you make out. What is it you want from your game-Goals, victories, excitement, fancy football? ".............eerrrrrrrrrrr.....thats a tough one but if I had to give an answer I guess it would be a yes
......"I think most of us agree we could improve at times"............ "The jury is out on some of those signings".........." Yes I would like fancy football as well but I accept our limitations"...........................very inspiring stuff swampy
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Post by thelegendtoddy on Dec 3, 2008 20:24:11 GMT
Wizzardofdribble
....."As soon as we lose the odd game..out comes the dummy-spitters talking their usual bollox"..............change the record, its nothing to do with losing one game we have been dire since the Arsenal game and when you stop singing 'we are premier league say we are premier league' and look at the facts............you may realise that if we don't change things pretty soon you won't be singing that next season.
This is nothing to do with not supporting the club............why would I travel with my boys 2 hours up the motorway to the Brit if I didn't support the club............this is about not pretending that everything is alright and being honest and recognizing that we need to seriously improve
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Post by Titan Uranus on Dec 3, 2008 20:42:24 GMT
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Post by steinovschmeichel on Dec 3, 2008 20:57:05 GMT
we are 14th in premier league and we've done that playing shit football (apparently). pulis has always sorted out the defensive side first. we haven;t conceed many goals other than man u. he's rotated the team a bit so everyone got experience in their rolls too so who ever plays knows what they got to do. pulis will buy the creative players we need in january or atleast loan 2 players to add that attacking flair we need and we will continue to move up the league.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2008 20:56:49 GMT
Swampy To quote you ........"I would argue that the football we have played in the last 2 years has indeed been more entertaining than you make out. What is it you want from your game-Goals, victories, excitement, fancy football? ".............eerrrrrrrrrrr.....thats a tough one but if I had to give an answer I guess it would be a yes ......"I think most of us agree we could improve at times"............ "The jury is out on some of those signings".........." Yes I would like fancy football as well but I accept our limitations"...........................very inspiring stuff swampy What exactly were you expecting Toddy, a Champions' League place? This season was always going to be a struggle, and we've hugely exceeded expectations so far. It's not perfect, but it could be a hell of a lot worse. |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Dec 3, 2008 20:59:57 GMT
amazing isn't it?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 3, 2008 21:01:09 GMT
Hopefully by the time January comes we'll be a couple more points clear of the relegation zone and can bring a few quality players to the brit or at the very least a left winger!
TP knows how much he wants to spend!
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 3, 2008 21:01:54 GMT
Swampy To quote you ........"I would argue that the football we have played in the last 2 years has indeed been more entertaining than you make out. What is it you want from your game-Goals, victories, excitement, fancy football? ".............eerrrrrrrrrrr.....thats a tough one but if I had to give an answer I guess it would be a yes ......"I think most of us agree we could improve at times"............ "The jury is out on some of those signings".........." Yes I would like fancy football as well but I accept our limitations"...........................very inspiring stuff swampy Thanks Up The Potters |
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Post by steinovschmeichel on Dec 3, 2008 21:02:41 GMT
thelegendtoddy, you belong with all the wba fans crying about how wank they are
if we got the lowest attempts on goal id like to see if that is shots on goal or on target because like liverpool they had like 20+ that flew over the goal. i hardly call that goal attempts.
we are 14th in premier league and we've done that playing shit football (apparently). pulis has always sorted out the defensive side first. we haven;t conceed many goals other than man u. he's rotated the team a bit so everyone got experience in their rolls too so who ever plays knows what they got to do. pulis will buy the creative players we need in january or atleast loan 2 players to add that attacking flair we need and we will continue to move up the league.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 3, 2008 21:04:01 GMT
we are 14th in premier league and we've done that playing shit football (apparently). pulis has always sorted out the defensive side first. we haven;t conceed many goals other than man u. he's rotated the team a bit so everyone got experience in their rolls too so who ever plays knows what they got to do. pulis will buy the creative players we need in january or atleast loan 2 players to add that attacking flair we need and we will continue to move up the league. Haven't conceded many goals? 25 - Only Blackburn and WBA have conceded more. Worst GD outside of bottom 3. |
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Post by growler on Dec 3, 2008 21:05:17 GMT
Toddy makes a constructiv post and out come the blinkered and biased to smite him with their dross. VanDeurzen's user name sums him up perfectly - his namesake was the epitomy of the workhorse type player who will never get you anywhere. Once more last night we suffered ball after ball lumped up to Mama and when it was obvious he wasn't winning them there was no "plan b" because we have no width or pace. Only Whelan showed ambition yet he is the player who can't get a game in the Prem!
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 3, 2008 21:07:42 GMT
thelegendtoddy....a very good original post and one that is bound to bring criticism simply because that's the way this board is. Many of us are still very polarized in our views. My twopennyworth...for what it's worth. I AM enjoying this season. Even our two home defeats against Chelsea and Everton were 'entertaining' as in the first was good because we saw high quality from the oposition and the latter because we make a damned good go at getting something out of the game. I've enjoyed the rest too. I have been entertained by them even though, as you rightly say, some of them have not produced good football. I accept that we are a limited side in terms of footballing ability and at times are downright pathetic with the hoof ball. But, it has been entertaining if not skillfully entertaining. I also think that most of Pulis's buys have not been good ones, but the two that Swampy points out, Sorrenson and Abdoulaye Faye, have been superb ones. Pulis deserves cricticism for the 15 million quids worth of buys that he has [imho] failed in, but equally, he deserves credit for the two that he has not. Add to that the fact that some of his buys while we were in the Championship have performed far better than many of us imagined, Fuller, Sidebe, Griffin, Higginbottom, Delap, then things begin to balance themselves out. 'Entertainment' is an individual thing. What entertains one supporter will not entertain another. Some supporters will settle for no less than seeing silky skills and others will accept a blood and thunder win at any cost. Personally, I'd like to see both, but it just aint gonna happen. Not with Pulis. He has his own style of play which can be painful to watch even when we're winning. Sometimes. But, we have 18 points and if we can add another 4 before the end of the year, I reckon we will have a good chance of staying up. Our success will be down to our home form and no matter what anyone says, that really is the most important thing to most supporters because those are the games most of us see. So, at the end of the day, if we can stay up based on our battling, perhaps, non-too-skilfull home performances, I reckon even a high ranking PHW like me will settle for that. Opinions eh. thelegendtoddy, I'm glad you've got one. It makes this board what it should be...a debating forum about opinions. Of course, you'll get a number [ever increasing since we became famous  ] of pricks who will abuse you if you dare have a contrary opinion, but in the main, as on this thread, most, if the debate is a sensible one, will give as much as they get in a pretty sensible way. After all, even if some have an opposing opinion to your own, they are perfectly entitled to hold that opinion. If you're wise enough, you can easily sort out the wheat from the chaff and give due regard to those you think worthy.  Good thread. Carry on. OS.
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] of pricks who will abuse you if you dare have a contrary opinion, but in the main, as on this thread, most, if the debate is a sensible one, will give as much as they get in a pretty sensible way. After all, even if some have an opposing opinion to your own, they are perfectly entitled to hold that opinion. If you're wise enough, you can easily sort out the wheat from the chaff and give due regard to those you think worthy. 
