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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 24, 2008 19:28:37 GMT
They're a disgrace to the division! More long balls than anybody else, scored off more corners than we have throws - surely it's an affront to the division that this set piece team have been allowed to rise to a position that places them above teams who play silky football while looking to dive for free kicks, such as Wigan? It's downright unfair!
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Post by smigchop on Nov 24, 2008 19:33:45 GMT
its just how it is im afraid. good honest footballing teams like us just cant compete with these monsters. i dont mind asling as we stick to our purist principles though.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 24, 2008 19:34:46 GMT
I demand a Hull fan justify their awful, awful team!
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Post by DannyStokie on Nov 24, 2008 19:38:07 GMT
suttontiger will be a long in a minute, I'm sure ;D.
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Nov 24, 2008 19:38:37 GMT
I'm worried our slick passing football will come to nothing against such a physical direct team like Hull
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 24, 2008 19:56:18 GMT
Mystical, You're wrong I'm afraid mate, I too thought as you and told that footballing genius, Adrian Durham the same. The ginger tosser presenter took time out of tugging ticking Ian Wright off during his informative show to inform me that they were actually "long passes." I see now that I was wrong, hopefully you will see the error of your ways as well.
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Post by whitehurst on Nov 24, 2008 20:13:47 GMT
I demand a Hull fan justify their awful, awful team! Chelsea 14 33 Liverpool 14 33 Man Utd 13 25 Aston Villa 14 24 Arsenal 14 23 Hull City 14 22 Everton 13 19 Portsmouth 14 19 Fulham 13 18 Middlesbrough 14 18 Man City 14 17 Bolton 14 17 West Ham Utd 14 17 Justified?
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Post by nathan on Nov 24, 2008 20:17:15 GMT
I demand a Hull fan justify their awful, awful team! Chelsea 14 33 Liverpool 14 33 Man Utd 13 25 Aston Villa 14 24 Arsenal 14 23 Hull City 14 22 Everton 13 19 Portsmouth 14 19 Fulham 13 18 Middlesbrough 14 18 Man City 14 17 Bolton 14 17 West Ham Utd 14 17 Justified? He's being ironic you simple individual.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 24, 2008 20:19:28 GMT
I demand a Hull fan justify their awful, awful team! Chelsea 14 33 Liverpool 14 33 Man Utd 13 25 Aston Villa 14 24 Arsenal 14 23 Hull City 14 22 Everton 13 19 Portsmouth 14 19 Fulham 13 18 Middlesbrough 14 18 Man City 14 17 Bolton 14 17 West Ham Utd 14 17 Justified? Taxi for whitehurst. (Mind you if he's owt like Billy he'll miss the fucker!)
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Post by whitehurst on Nov 24, 2008 20:34:29 GMT
I understood the irony but wanted to get involved in this debate. The fact is we do play long balls,so does Beckham.We do score a lot from corners,thats down to quality delivery.We don't tear teams apart with slick passing,but we have heart.There's a few similarities between our teams including neither of us being particularly pleasing on the eye,maybe that's why both teams struggling to sell tickets for the game.The opposition is stopping both sets from coming to the game.Our fans because of previous seasons problems at the Brit,yours because we aren't a so called top team but saturdays game is one of the most important games for both of us because we both believe we should get points. It won't be a classic footballing display,but it's as important to both clubs than most other matches.You could be just 2 points behind us,cementing a mid table spot,we could overtake Arsenal and Villa,either way,it's one in the eye for us PL no hopers. Bollocks to what the "purists" say,we'll do what's required to get the points and proper fans won't care how 3 points come their way,just as long as they do!
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 24, 2008 20:44:07 GMT
Are you suggesting we form a 'Let's all laugh at the West Brazilians' truce? Fora ll ManUre fans go on about their games against us being our cup final, the fact is that this stretch now is the most important stretch of our season. The games against you, Brazil, Fulham and Blackburn. If we struggle now we're probably knackered. As for the purists, bugger them. Our football has resulted in lots of goals this season and we've got one of the most talked about weapons in football. It's effective and I love to see my team win. Our style of play is much better to watch than the infinitely dull/frustrating/suicide inducing football of West Brazil.
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Post by pottersrule on Nov 24, 2008 20:47:40 GMT
Can't argue with that Whitehurst.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 24, 2008 20:47:44 GMT
Anyone who declares themselves purists just tell me they haven't experienced nogger to the emotional depth that I have. Twats from Tunbridge Wells with Ryan Giggs bedspreads.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 24, 2008 20:49:30 GMT
After being predicted to fail so dramatically, it would be such an amazing kick in the balls to the premier league, glory supporters, and football pundits if both us and hull stay up. The cherry on the top would be west brazil going down.
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Post by whitehurst on Nov 24, 2008 20:53:33 GMT
Nope,unlike you we have no beef with them,but it's great to see people talking about both clubs,as you say.I,like you,don't really care how the ball gets to the back of the net,as long as it does.We both have to play our style because that's how we have to play,to our strengths. Speaking of Man U and our so called cup final,if we stay up next year and I have to miss one game next season,it would be Man U away.A ground full of tourists is an understatement,a 76000 capacity library full of sightseers,give me the Brit,stones an all over that souless place.It's supposed to be football CLUBS,not that god awful brand.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 24, 2008 20:57:35 GMT
After being predicted to fail so dramatically, it would be such an amazing kick in the balls to the premier league, glory supporters, and football pundits if both us and hull stay up
Agree 100%. It'd be great for football. It'd show all sides in the Championship that it can be done.
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Post by smigchop on Nov 24, 2008 21:16:16 GMT
to be honest i reckon it will be an awesome match on satdee. i think both teams will be really going for it. hopefully it wont end in tears and "stones" that would be shiite.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 24, 2008 21:18:10 GMT
I understood the irony but wanted to get involved in this debate. The fact is we do play long balls,so does Beckham.We do score a lot from corners,thats down to quality delivery.We don't tear teams apart with slick passing,but we have heart.There's a few similarities between our teams including neither of us being particularly pleasing on the eye,maybe that's why both teams struggling to sell tickets for the game.The opposition is stopping both sets from coming to the game.Our fans because of previous seasons problems at the Brit,yours because we aren't a so called top team but saturdays game is one of the most important games for both of us because we both believe we should get points. It won't be a classic footballing display,but it's as important to both clubs than most other matches.You could be just 2 points behind us,cementing a mid table spot,we could overtake Arsenal and Villa,either way,it's one in the eye for us PL no hopers. Bollocks to what the "purists" say,we'll do what's required to get the points and proper fans won't care how 3 points come their way,just as long as they do! Fair play whitehurst, can't argue with that. Your style of play is interesting though mate. Because of your fantastic start the media quite rightly were full of praise for you. What I found amusing is that while the praise was totally deserved, the media didn't seem to want to admit that your success was largely based on a direct style and (having seen a bit of you on TV) no shortage of strong challenges. Now I'm all for the direct, physical approach as we obviously play in a similar way, you maybe play a couple of passes more than us in your own half but who's counting? We however, have been used as the media's scapegoat to an extent, mainly due to Rory's throws and we've been described as being "anti-football" despite the obvious similarities to you in our methods. It's great that we're both doing so well though and proving that many teams in this division "don't like it up em" and it's even better that nobody in or around this plastic, pampered league want to admit it!
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Post by trebor63 on Nov 24, 2008 21:31:52 GMT
Mr Whitehurst I agree 100% with your two posts.
I think Hull and Stoke are very very similar in style and the journey we've both taken to get here have both been unexpected and dramatic(yours being even more dramatic and unexpected than ours)
The Man United game for me was one of the most underwhelming matches I've ever been to. It was like a 90 minute sponsored silence from the Japanese tourists that were on the ManUre holiday breaks.
Stoke v Hull will have 26-27000 passionate football fans who love their respective clubs and I guarnatee double the noise at the Brit than 70000 at The theatre of dreams (and I mean literally they were all sleeping!)
GGGGGGGOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRNNNNSTOKE
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Post by whitehurst on Nov 24, 2008 21:51:02 GMT
I understood the irony but wanted to get involved in this debate. The fact is we do play long balls,so does Beckham.We do score a lot from corners,thats down to quality delivery.We don't tear teams apart with slick passing,but we have heart.There's a few similarities between our teams including neither of us being particularly pleasing on the eye,maybe that's why both teams struggling to sell tickets for the game.The opposition is stopping both sets from coming to the game.Our fans because of previous seasons problems at the Brit,yours because we aren't a so called top team but saturdays game is one of the most important games for both of us because we both believe we should get points. It won't be a classic footballing display,but it's as important to both clubs than most other matches.You could be just 2 points behind us,cementing a mid table spot,we could overtake Arsenal and Villa,either way,it's one in the eye for us PL no hopers. Bollocks to what the "purists" say,we'll do what's required to get the points and proper fans won't care how 3 points come their way,just as long as they do! Fair play whitehurst, can't argue with that. Your style of play is interesting though mate. Because of your fantastic start the media quite rightly were full of praise for you. What I found amusing is that while the praise was totally deserved, the media didn't seem to want to admit that your success was largely based on a direct style and (having seen a bit of you on TV) no shortage of strong challenges. Now I'm all for the direct, physical approach as we obviously play in a similar way, you maybe play a couple of passes more than us in your own half but who's counting? We however, have been used as the media's scapegoat to an extent, mainly due to Rory's throws and we've been described as being "anti-football" despite the obvious similarities to you in our methods. It's great that we're both doing so well though and proving that many teams in this division "don't like it up em" and it's even better that nobody in or around this plastic, pampered league want to admit it! This is pretty true for us,that's why we're more successful away from home.We can play on the break,soaking up pressure then getting it up to our forwards who can hold the ball up well,waiting for the ever willing midfielders to catch play or,even better getting a free kick for Geo to work his magic.Our forwards also like running at defenders quite often getting us corners from deflected shots. At home we're invited to come and break teams down,something we find difficult to do because of the men behind the ball attitude and our lack of slick "pass and move" footy.Expect my first paragraph on saturday,you'll get the possesion but you'll need to score with it,because at some point we will score. My biggest doubt about saturday is the size of your team.Firstly defending our corners,it'll be a bit more difficult for Turner with your big lads in there and secondly the mayhem they cause from those pesky throw ins at our end.Either way it should be a good game and may the best team win,I'd still take a point now though if offered!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 24, 2008 22:08:11 GMT
Fair play whitehurst, can't argue with that. Your style of play is interesting though mate. Because of your fantastic start the media quite rightly were full of praise for you. What I found amusing is that while the praise was totally deserved, the media didn't seem to want to admit that your success was largely based on a direct style and (having seen a bit of you on TV) no shortage of strong challenges. Now I'm all for the direct, physical approach as we obviously play in a similar way, you maybe play a couple of passes more than us in your own half but who's counting? We however, have been used as the media's scapegoat to an extent, mainly due to Rory's throws and we've been described as being "anti-football" despite the obvious similarities to you in our methods. It's great that we're both doing so well though and proving that many teams in this division "don't like it up em" and it's even better that nobody in or around this plastic, pampered league want to admit it! This is pretty true for us,that's why we're more successful away from home.We can play on the break,soaking up pressure then getting it up to our forwards who can hold the ball up well,waiting for the ever willing midfielders to catch play or,even better getting a free kick for Geo to work his magic.Our forwards also like running at defenders quite often getting us corners from deflected shots. At home we're invited to come and break teams down,something we find difficult to do because of the men behind the ball attitude and our lack of slick "pass and move" footy.Expect my first paragraph on saturday,you'll get the possesion but you'll need to score with it,because at some point we will score. My biggest doubt about saturday is the size of your team.Firstly defending our corners,it'll be a bit more difficult for Turner with your big lads in there and secondly the mayhem they cause from those pesky throw ins at our end.Either way it should be a good game and may the best team win,I'd still take a point now though if offered! Obviously we'd love a win and it would get us to the magic 20 point mark (which was my own little target to hit by Christmas). Given our home record and your away record I guess we'd all go home reasonably happy with an honourable draw.
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Post by swanlandtiger on Nov 24, 2008 22:17:51 GMT
I understood the irony but wanted to get involved in this debate. The fact is we do play long balls,so does Beckham.We do score a lot from corners,thats down to quality delivery.We don't tear teams apart with slick passing,but we have heart.There's a few similarities between our teams including neither of us being particularly pleasing on the eye,maybe that's why both teams struggling to sell tickets for the game.The opposition is stopping both sets from coming to the game.Our fans because of previous seasons problems at the Brit,yours because we aren't a so called top team but saturdays game is one of the most important games for both of us because we both believe we should get points. It won't be a classic footballing display,but it's as important to both clubs than most other matches.You could be just 2 points behind us,cementing a mid table spot,we could overtake Arsenal and Villa,either way,it's one in the eye for us PL no hopers. Bollocks to what the "purists" say,we'll do what's required to get the points and proper fans won't care how 3 points come their way,just as long as they do! Errrr?!?!!? Who is struggling to sell tickets precisely? As of this morning we had sold 2,800 of the 3,000 available. The remainder will have gone by the weekend.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Nov 24, 2008 22:21:37 GMT
"Taxi for whitehurst. (Mind you if he's owt like Billy he'll miss the fucker!) "
Better make it a Zafira, with his arse.
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Post by swanlandtiger on Nov 24, 2008 22:22:43 GMT
I understood the irony but wanted to get involved in this debate. The fact is we do play long balls,so does Beckham.We do score a lot from corners,thats down to quality delivery.We don't tear teams apart with slick passing,but we have heart.There's a few similarities between our teams including neither of us being particularly pleasing on the eye,maybe that's why both teams struggling to sell tickets for the game.The opposition is stopping both sets from coming to the game.Our fans because of previous seasons problems at the Brit,yours because we aren't a so called top team but saturdays game is one of the most important games for both of us because we both believe we should get points. It won't be a classic footballing display,but it's as important to both clubs than most other matches.You could be just 2 points behind us,cementing a mid table spot,we could overtake Arsenal and Villa,either way,it's one in the eye for us PL no hopers. Bollocks to what the "purists" say,we'll do what's required to get the points and proper fans won't care how 3 points come their way,just as long as they do! Fair play whitehurst, can't argue with that. Your style of play is interesting though mate. Because of your fantastic start the media quite rightly were full of praise for you. What I found amusing is that while the praise was totally deserved, the media didn't seem to want to admit that your success was largely based on a direct style and (having seen a bit of you on TV) no shortage of strong challenges. Now I'm all for the direct, physical approach as we obviously play in a similar way, you maybe play a couple of passes more than us in your own half but who's counting? We however, have been used as the media's scapegoat to an extent, mainly due to Rory's throws and we've been described as being "anti-football" despite the obvious similarities to you in our methods. It's great that we're both doing so well though and proving that many teams in this division "don't like it up em" and it's even better that nobody in or around this plastic, pampered league want to admit it! Fair comment that and I also get the irony, but don't forget we are not responsible for what the media says. Most of the time it is wrong and quite often embarrasing. We are here for the ride and (again) nobody but nobody at HCFC has anything else in their sights other than 17th spot.
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Post by whitehurst on Nov 24, 2008 22:26:14 GMT
Maybe they will swanland,the fact remains that we'd have sold the lot already if it wasn't for last seasons shenanigans when the local plod made us sitting targets for the schooligans.I doubt some of those caught up in it will be rushing back with their kids,I for one have taken one seat less for this one.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 24, 2008 22:26:49 GMT
Fair play whitehurst, can't argue with that. Your style of play is interesting though mate. Because of your fantastic start the media quite rightly were full of praise for you. What I found amusing is that while the praise was totally deserved, the media didn't seem to want to admit that your success was largely based on a direct style and (having seen a bit of you on TV) no shortage of strong challenges. Now I'm all for the direct, physical approach as we obviously play in a similar way, you maybe play a couple of passes more than us in your own half but who's counting? We however, have been used as the media's scapegoat to an extent, mainly due to Rory's throws and we've been described as being "anti-football" despite the obvious similarities to you in our methods. It's great that we're both doing so well though and proving that many teams in this division "don't like it up em" and it's even better that nobody in or around this plastic, pampered league want to admit it! Fair comment that and I also get the irony, but don't forget we are not responsible for what the media says. Most of the time it is wrong and quite often embarrasing. We are here for the ride and (again) nobody but nobody at HCFC has anything else in their sights other than 17th spot. I agree st, you may as well make as many friends as you can and if you end up surprising a few by being more direct than people think it will work in your favour. I have noticed on some Tiger's forums that there is a perception that you play the "beautiful game" and we are "souring the Premier brand" as one Hull fan put it!! Still it's to be expected on internet forums, there's plenty of tools around from all clubs so I suppose it's best to ignore them! Should be a good game though and one that could go either way.
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Post by daverichards on Nov 24, 2008 23:02:56 GMT
I think its safe to say that we can expect an all action blood and thunder game on saturday
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 25, 2008 1:06:02 GMT
We will have to be extra vigilant on their corners. They do them very well indeed. Maguire style Near post flick ons are in the repertoire. Pity ours are so shit.
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Post by swanlandtiger on Nov 25, 2008 9:10:47 GMT
Maybe they will swanland,the fact remains that we'd have sold the lot already if it wasn't for last seasons shenanigans when the local plod made us sitting targets for the schooligans.I doubt some of those caught up in it will be rushing back with their kids,I for one have taken one seat less for this one. It was just the same the year before, whitehurst. I went with my son that day. I won't be taking him to Stoke again until he's old enough to look after himself (and me! )
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Post by swanlandtiger on Nov 25, 2008 9:25:02 GMT
Fair comment that and I also get the irony, but don't forget we are not responsible for what the media says. Most of the time it is wrong and quite often embarrasing. We are here for the ride and (again) nobody but nobody at HCFC has anything else in their sights other than 17th spot. I agree st, you may as well make as many friends as you can and if you end up surprising a few by being more direct than people think it will work in your favour. I have noticed on some Tiger's forums that there is a perception that you play the "beautiful game" and we are "souring the Premier brand" as one Hull fan put it!! Still it's to be expected on internet forums, there's plenty of tools around from all clubs so I suppose it's best to ignore them! Should be a good game though and one that could go either way. We can play many ways, Phil Brown is a VERY flexible and imaginative coach, but he is also a pragmatist. If I were to attempt to stereotype our style of play (very dangerous for us) I would describe us as "counter attacking channel runners". That is where the "Long Pass" stats come from. We defend deep and seek to attack with Cousin and King running the channels for the early pass it's not hoofball into the box at every opportunity (NOT making sideswipe at your team!). If we are quick enough that tends to pull the central defenders wide leaving space for Geovanni to do his stuff. If you want a classic example of this have a look at our second goal against the Baggies. The problem we have is accommodating Geovanni, which is also our strength. Playing a 3 man midfield means there is a lot of space in front of our two full-backs and this leads to some hairy moments for our defence at times. But the reason the Press like us better than you is that we attack people whether that is at home or away, that's why we're the Premiership's second highest scorers away from home and the third best side away from home in terms of points. I might also be worth mentioning that we have spent less than half the money you have this season which makes our achievement all the more admirable in the eyes of the press.
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