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Post by knowingeye on Nov 20, 2008 8:13:36 GMT
Holland, Foyle or who else?
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Post by knowingeye on Nov 25, 2008 7:24:44 GMT
Won't be Foyle then. Who?
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Post by daverichards on Nov 25, 2008 8:03:04 GMT
I know who I'd like , the question is
a) is he qualified to do it ? I would think the answer was yes
b) Would he do it ? I think he would
c) Would the club offer him the job ? I see no reason why not .
Denis Smith .
he loves the club, he was a great player, and a damn good manager This kind of role would suit him, he can bring a wealth of experience to these youngsters, work for HIS club, and leave a legacy of developing future generations of city players
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Nov 25, 2008 8:08:55 GMT
Honestly, i think the academy director should be a youngish coach/manager ex player...They seem to do the best. if you lookat whos in charge of other academies around the country.
Noel Blake is our example.
On top of my head, i can't think of anyone at the moment except for Hoekstra
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Post by knowles on Nov 25, 2008 9:25:05 GMT
It won't be Denis Smith. Hoekstra would be nice though
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 25, 2008 9:32:29 GMT
As I understand it the director of the Academy is more of an administrator than a coach. If that is correct then I wouldn't have thought Denis would be ideal. Holland would be fine though - bags of experience at Crewe's Academy.
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Post by knowles on Nov 25, 2008 9:34:50 GMT
I agree, Denis would be ideal but I can't see him taking it at all.
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Post by knowingeye on Nov 25, 2008 12:09:17 GMT
Steve Holland would be an ideal Academy Manager/Director with his considerable youth development experience. It is his tenure at that position at Crewe, with little funding, that took their Academy to where it was until more recently. In fact working as joint Manager/Director with Ronnie Sinclair at Stoke City would provide a link to the first team, reserves and older youth players and allow their focus on delivering players from the younger groups over a more long term-based plan.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 25, 2008 12:23:33 GMT
ke - do we know if Stoke are trying to get talks started with Holland?
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Post by knowingeye on Nov 25, 2008 12:34:01 GMT
ke - do we know if Stoke are trying to get talks started with Holland? Not sure if this is something that would be discussed outside of the inner sanctum of the Stoke boardroom until the deal was done. Probably the right thing to do. It was mentioned in passing that Martin Foyle had allegedly applied, but I'm not sure of the voracity of the information, from its original source, at least.
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Post by rorymscfc on Nov 25, 2008 12:55:50 GMT
Stoke have been in touch with Steve Holland but so have a number of other clubs.
It's unlikely that he'll be coming to Stoke.
RoryM
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 25, 2008 12:57:51 GMT
Cheers Rory. Pity if he isn't coming - he'd be ideal and he wouldn't need to move home.
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Post by lordb on Nov 25, 2008 13:12:09 GMT
hasnt Foyle got the managers job at York?
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Post by knowingeye on Nov 25, 2008 13:13:27 GMT
Stoke have been in touch with Steve Holland but so have a number of other clubs. It's unlikely that he'll be coming to Stoke. RoryM Unfortunate but hardly surprising that "so have a number of other clubs" given his youth development track record.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Nov 25, 2008 13:34:46 GMT
Yes Foyle has been appointed a manager
Holland would be good
As would Neal Baker who turned the job down in the past - maybe not able to afford him?
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Post by lordb on Nov 25, 2008 13:59:36 GMT
dont think Baker was impressed with PC's commitment to The Acadamy - this was summer 2006
he might have a different view now?
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Post by knowingeye on Mar 4, 2009 9:30:12 GMT
Steve Holland would be an ideal Academy Manager/Director with his considerable youth development experience. It is his tenure at that position at Crewe, with little funding, that took their Academy to where it was until more recently. In fact working as joint Manager/Director with Ronnie Sinclair at Stoke City would provide a link to the first team, reserves and older youth players and allow their focus on delivering players from the younger groups over a more long term-based plan. Possibly now happening. Good news if true.
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Post by roro on Mar 4, 2009 9:45:44 GMT
Hoekstra would be the perfect choice for me. Though being realistic it will never happen.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 4, 2009 10:47:11 GMT
I see the Sentinel are now reporting that Holland is a strong possibility. That would make me happy and I don't think many Stokies could argue with his record at youth level. As said above, Hooky on the coaching staff would complete the dream team - but it won't happen, sadly.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 4, 2009 10:54:33 GMT
I can tell you that Steve Holland was in attendance for the u18s and u16s games at the Mich against Man City last weekend and took a keen interest in both.
Make of that what you will.
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Post by knowles on Mar 4, 2009 10:55:56 GMT
Great news if Holland joined the family- he is just the type of person we need in charge of the academy.
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Post by knowingeye on Mar 4, 2009 11:43:31 GMT
I noted that "Bob" Brightwell is looking for a coaching role. I wonder if Stoke have a job for him?
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 4, 2009 13:42:16 GMT
Great news if Holland joined the family- he is just the type of person we need in charge of the academy. I wouldn't disagree with that comment but it sure will be an interesting situation. Those who have watched any Academy football will know that the Crewe approach is somewhat different to ours in terms of what level of competitiveness they are allowed/encouraged to display. Many parents I know who have had experience of the Crewe way of doing things have told me that tackling is all but forbidden. What isn't clear is how much of this is down to Steve Holland and how much of it is a Darioism. Remember that Holland was a very influential figure as far as the Crewe Alex Academy was set up and run. Now the physical side of the game is not and never has been shirked at Stoke. Aidy Pennock demands the Youth Team compete and their is the input from the Manager to take into account. If Holland is indeed to take over the job then it will be with TP's blessing and you would imagine all aspects of the development programme had been discussed and agreed.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 4, 2009 13:50:04 GMT
Mark, how much of Holland's job (if he gets it) will consist of coaching and setting the parameters under which Pennock works? The job of Academy director COULD be mainly supervising the work on the new facilities and the recruitment of staff and young players, couldn't it? How much coaching input did the previous director have?
I have no idea whether my suggestion is correct - but you may have a better idea.
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Post by Mozzaa on Mar 4, 2009 13:50:18 GMT
Didn't Steve Holland turn us down couple weeks after George Foster left?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 4, 2009 13:52:36 GMT
The Sentinel today suggests that Holland didn't turn us down - or at least that is the way I read the story.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 4, 2009 13:54:13 GMT
Mark, how much of Holland's job (if he gets it) will consist of coaching or setting the parameters under which Pennock works? The job of Academy director COULD be mainly supervising the work on the new facilities and the recruitment of staff and young players, couldn't it? I have no idea whether my suggestion is correct - but you may have a better idea. John, Taking a hands off approach isn't a luxury that an Academy Manager at Stoke is afforded. We are still massively under-staffed in comparison with even clubs we would wish to compare ourselves with never mind the big boys. The next man in the job will spend plenty of hours on the practice pitches like all the others I imagine.
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Post by knowingeye on Mar 6, 2009 12:55:27 GMT
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Post by AlanHansen on Mar 6, 2009 12:58:22 GMT
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Post by Big John RIP on Mar 6, 2009 13:05:24 GMT
great news... As long as Tony doesnt leave and hes left in charge of the first team.
Seriously though one would think that more youngsters will be coming into the team in the next few years.
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