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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 6, 2008 12:40:58 GMT
All this for calling them Cowards???
Wenger seemed quite complimentary on Saturday but after Tommy S said they lacked back bone Mr Whinger has even thrown the Kitchen Sink out of the pram!
I personally thinks its brilliant because we are getting plenty of attention and it seems like there are a few people that really hate the way we play - TP being the man he is will tell the players not to change a thing and the lads won't!
We'll pick up plenty more wins staying as we are!
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Post by stockportpotter on Nov 6, 2008 12:42:46 GMT
the majority of pieces i have seen, the people being interviewed seem to side with us. ony Gale on SSN was very pro us.
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Post by Bick on Nov 6, 2008 12:44:13 GMT
Is it buggary Sorro's fault. He summed up their team quite succinctly and was misquoted in suggesting that they were spineless.
Even if it is his fault, this has publicised Stokes victory far further than it would be normally! Plus, we have ruffled a fair few feathers and this is likely to give other teams an extra thing to worry about when you come up against the mighty potters.
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Post by RAF on Nov 6, 2008 12:44:52 GMT
Is it bollox Sorensens fault.
All he said was they were lacking the spine for the game.
Bang on , as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by bossthemidfield on Nov 6, 2008 12:48:57 GMT
Is it bollox Sorensens fault. All he said was they were lacking the spine for the game. Bang on , as far as I'm concerned. H Exactly, he just said what everyone already knew. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 6, 2008 12:51:17 GMT
It is quite funny to be fair!
I do notice how hardly anything has been mentioned about RVP's red card though - That is completley forgotten now, how strange???
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Post by youthster on Nov 6, 2008 13:33:00 GMT
This had occurred to me too. I'm not suggesting that Sorensen was in any way wrong to have said it, but this is what seems to caused the change in Wenger's approach. In fact I'm sure he even said so in one of his (many!) interviews on the subject...
EDIT: Indeed:
Wenger added: "I responded to some statements made by a Stoke player (Thomas Sorensen).
"I wasn't happy with some tackles and wanted to say that you don't have to be brave to tackle from behind.
"The brave one is the guy who tries to play football. Why should I regret that? I maintain that strongly. It is not bitterness after a defeat.
"Sometimes in England we feel 'he didn't fancy that'. Of course we didn't fancy that because that is not football.
"Of course we are ready to battle. But it depends what you mean by battle."
Now then - "It is not bitterness after a defeat". No, of course it's not! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by lew86 on Nov 6, 2008 13:41:57 GMT
he said what we all thought and it was the first to be quoted, if that even was the quote (?)
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Post by stokemark on Nov 6, 2008 14:04:24 GMT
Wisemaster (and me) were right then  |
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Nov 6, 2008 14:13:28 GMT
Arsene Wenger is under enormous pressure.
They've already lost to Hull and Fulham as well as us. They snatched defeat from the jaws of victory at home to their greatest rivals, and they've got to play United this weekend. The League looks beyond them, but of greater concern would be finishing below Villa and missing Champions League qualification.
The financial implications would be enormous, and it would affect their ability to keep the likes of Fabregas, Adebayour, Walcott, Van Persie & Sagna, as well as attract new players.
They could suddenly find themselves out of the "Big 4", and it could be difficult to break back in as say Villa attract better players and enjoy the financial rewards.
For all the lovely football, this woud be nothing short of disaster for a club like Arsenal. That's probably why he's a bit more defensive about his team's make up than usual.
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Post by DodgyDino on Nov 6, 2008 15:20:48 GMT
I dont think Sorensen should have said anything but in no way is it his fault. Wenger keeps on opening his gob and digging a bigger hole for himself, He needs to just keep quiet and the story will soon go away.
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Post by RAF on Nov 6, 2008 15:44:59 GMT
Right about what?
The fact that Wenger's response was because of what Sorensen said?
We all knew that, Wenger had already said so.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Nov 6, 2008 16:08:24 GMT
Don't worry Mark Some folk don't know how to admit that they were completely fooking wrong!  ------------------------------------------------------ Quotes from StaffordStokie and RAF two days ago! I have not read such utter bollox since Ilford Daves last post. « Last Edit: 4 Nov, 2008, 21:21 by Stafford-Stokie » Re : Sorensen to blame for Wengers comments« Reply #6 on 4 Nov, 2008, 21:21 » 100% Agree Stafford! Paul this is your funniest thread for a while mate. H RAF |
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Post by RAF on Nov 6, 2008 16:12:57 GMT
I will say again bollox! I was suggesting that your intimation that it will be Sorensen's fault that refereeing decisions will go against us because it upset Wenger is bollox. I suggest if you are going to quote me Paul, get the fucking context right ! H |
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Post by jay1610 on Nov 6, 2008 17:47:49 GMT
TIm Howard got it bob on : "It's a man's game.."
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Post by th05 on Nov 6, 2008 17:50:11 GMT
No.
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Post by cosign9114 on Nov 6, 2008 18:08:14 GMT
No it's not Sorensen's fault at all
End of the day, Arsene Wenger didn't mention that the only red card in the game went to one of his players, he didn't mention that Shawcross had a bad challenge on him not long before he tackled Adebayor.
To top it all off, he has now moaned at the Premier League for them being at fault for his team not managing to get more than a draw against Fenerbache because they are all tired. I'm sorry but they are professional footballers, they have to play 3 games at most in a week along with training. If he doesn't think his players can do this he shouldn't be moaning at the Premier League he should be bowing out of the Champions League and letting the teams who can't wait to play in arguably the worlds best club competition play in it. Next thing you know he'll be saying his players can't play on a Saturday because they all are all too tired from Friday night so could his matches be moved to a later time
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Post by smirny72 on Nov 6, 2008 18:11:08 GMT
No it is Wengers fault he cant deal with loss. Whinging sore loser (politest way I could put it)  |
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Post by crimesy on Nov 6, 2008 18:14:01 GMT
nope.. no.. and no ;D .. Sorenson has partly been our counter argument as his slow movement caused Van Prancy to get him self sent off..
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Post by Irish Stokie on Nov 6, 2008 18:17:29 GMT
Absoluetly nothing to do with Sorro. Its bassically just Wenger feeling the heat about being out of the title race for ANOTHER year and he always feels its someone else fault when he isnt successful and in this instance its our fault. We arent the 1st team he has tried to blame for his own problems and we certainly wont be the last.
O and was it not AD Faye that said about the Arse not having any backbone??? Or was it both of them????
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Nov 6, 2008 21:56:54 GMT
I made two points in my thread One - that Sorensen caused Wengers outburst this week Quote from Wenger today... “I know what I said and [my views] have not been transformed into bitterness after the defeat. It is an answer to a statement made by a player from Stoke about my players. Second that such bad publicity could influence referees - a worry obviously shared by Pulis....... Stoke boss Tony Pulis thinks his side could be singled out by referees after Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger accused them of being overly aggressive. "What worries me the reaction we might get from the referee on Saturday," said Pulis ahead of Stoke's trip to Wigan. Tony Pulis is hoping to speak to Premier League referees' chief Keith Hackett to ensure officials will not be swayed by accusations that his team plays overly physically. QED!  |
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Nov 6, 2008 22:13:56 GMT
Irish Stokie has read the situation right.
Sorro made the same comments as Ab Faye (before the game) and only repeated what has been said by countless commentators and pundits since the Arsenal/Fulham game in August.
Wenger is defensive because the world and his wife know he should have signed a commanding centre half (Faye was available!) and a tough tackling ball winning holding centre midfielder to replace Flamini. The fact he hasn't and Arsenal are struggling to meet the physical demands of The Prem has come back to bite him in, erm well, The Arse.
The consequences of this inactivity in the market could be catastrophic for Arsenal and Wenger. Sorrenson's comments were just an excuse to blame everybody else, which I think he might have done anyway. If they don't get a result against Utd, it will be the same argument, or the ref, or the injuries or something else semi-plausible.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Nov 6, 2008 22:45:44 GMT
Yes you are right....everyone knows that Arsenal don't like a physical game
However Sorensen was rubbing salt into an open wound and describing them as spineless was ott and totally unneccesary
No doubt he got his fee from the Sun but we may well pay a price - as Pulis fears - lets hope that the refs listen to him
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Post by Parksy on Nov 6, 2008 23:02:09 GMT
Well we all know that the red-tops famously mis-quote everyone, so who knows exactly what Sorro said and in what context. Secondly, Wenger has repeatedly continued this excuse all week before and after the midweek game. Showing that he knew his side were not up for the game (directly contadicting his statements after the Stoke game).
Most people I have spoken to, also listened to in radio and internet interviews have the same opinion of Wenger, one of a man covering his own arse and knowing he and his team have fallen short this season. He is under pressure and needs an excuse for his own failings.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Nov 6, 2008 23:09:09 GMT
I think Tone is playing mind games in the style of his guru, Sir Alex.
By saying publicly that he hopes the refs won't be influenced by Wenger, he almost puts them under pressure to be lenient towards Stoke. They have to be seen to not be taken in by Arsene Wenger's hype. Worst case, he makes sure that they ref as they see it, and don't have the perception of Stoke as being physical.
Tony seems to have got the hang of this media game very quickly.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 6, 2008 23:12:33 GMT
To be fair to Whinger we may have single-handedly ruined Arsenals season in 90 minutes of football
Firstly we have put another nail in the coffin for their chances of winning the league this season.
On top of that 2 of their main strikers were injured (with another receiving a red card).
So for a crucial Champions League they are forced to play a weakened side with Bender upfront and hence might now be jeopardising the chance to qualify for the knockout stages
Plus we have made it more visible than ever that the Arse dont like it up em (which is an oxymoron).
So I can see why he feels like having a whinge, his job is no longer secure hehehe ;D
"Stoke - the team known for getting opposing managers sacked!"
RIP - Juande Ramos
RIP ?????
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Nov 6, 2008 23:17:20 GMT
Good points
Lets hope you are right...
And yes Wenger's wasted much goodwill over many many years of whinging so that now,when he cries wolf, everyone sees the pup he is trying to sell
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Post by Parksy on Nov 6, 2008 23:27:26 GMT
Also I sense a wind of change in people's perception of the Premier League. Take a look at the BBC Football Blog for today, regards the question of who will go down. Th emajority do not list us as contenders to go down as we "battle". The only people to question this appear to be Arse fans! Most fans now seem to see the Prem as an even ground, where any 3 from 12 can go this year.
Now that makes a refreshing change!!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2008 1:06:26 GMT
He didn't call them cowards. He spoke the truth and said nothing more than what every pundit in the land has said!
And Sorenson makes comments after every game to the Danish press he is their captain afterall. So I'd get used to it.
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Nov 7, 2008 5:34:31 GMT
Bayern, Sørensen is not the Denmark captain - Jon Dahl Tomasson is.
Apart from that you are correct; Thomas Sørensen is interviewed by the danish press after each round in the PL, and he really speaks his mind. Very complementary about Stoke, TP, the squad and our chances. I've never seen Stoke get that much positive presscover as we do these days.
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