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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 5, 2008 22:45:03 GMT
It was off the pitch but a) he won the ball first b) it was half a yard off the pitch and Ryan had every right to go for the ball! Sorry I needed to get that of my chests! cunts!!!!!!!!!!!  |
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Post by Gods on Nov 5, 2008 22:56:54 GMT
If I try to divorce myself from my allegiance to Stoke I thought it was very poor if I'm honest.
The only good thing you could say about it was that it wasn't two-footed.
Interesting that TP in his statement went to great lengths to defend Rory who frankly was simply done for pace by one of the fastest players in the world game and clipped his ankle but conveniently forgot Ryan's lunge.
I'm not saying it was the only bad tackle in the match, Arsenal made some of their own, just that as an individual incident it didn't look good.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 5, 2008 23:01:07 GMT
I thought the same but I keep seeing it and he 's not that far off the pitch and Shawcross did win the ball. The thing was Shawcross had already gone in for it before the ball went out so couldn't stop. He did touch the ball first which inclines me to be annoyed about it.
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Post by bigb35 on Nov 5, 2008 23:06:20 GMT
Can you be booked if the foul is off the pitch ??
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Post by tazi on Nov 5, 2008 23:06:29 GMT
Poor challenge by Ryan to say the least, then again i'm pleased he did indeed stick it in because this shows that he isn't going to be both intimidated 'Adebayors previous challenge' and overawed by these supposed world superstars.
Put it this way, if Ryan would have being overawed then he will not become that promosing footballer that Pulis predicts.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 5, 2008 23:09:18 GMT
It was a foul I agree with that but I don't buy this horror tackle lark. It was only just off the pitch but he was fully committed and it was just one of those things.
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Post by isawthelight on Nov 5, 2008 23:09:27 GMT
I saw first hand from row 18 (right in front of me) and on the replay.
At the time I shouted out "nice one Ryan". And on the replay it was confirmed. He played the ball first and then the man, just coincidence that the ball had crossed the line a fraction of a second before (after Ryan had committed) and took revenge for all that went before.
I am suprised he had so much constraint to be honest.
If it was me I would of just blatantly wasted the cheat, but Ryan played according to the rules.
It is a physical game, not chess.
Smithy would of even blinked at such a tackle.
Come on, get a grip a stop trying to promote football as the gay namby pamby game it is not. It is a mans game, not the fecking ballet.
.... and breath .....
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Post by Gods on Nov 5, 2008 23:11:52 GMT
Totally agree it wasn't deliberate bayern.
I'm not sure what the laws say with regard to playing the ball...
Surely it can't be the case that if you get the finest of touches on the ball then anything that follows subsequently is ok? Wouldn't that be "dangerous play" or something similar?
Perhaps I'm a little jumpy about these things but but my own miserable and short-lived football "career" was brought to a premature end by a tackle of that kind.
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Post by steve66 on Nov 5, 2008 23:16:03 GMT
Adebayor didn't go off for that challenge he left the pitch after conceding another foul on RS when jumping for a header and catching Ryan down his leg yet again,venger managed to throw a strop at that one too  |
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Post by tazi on Nov 5, 2008 23:23:02 GMT
It wasn't vicious as he did get the ball first, but i dont know if he could have redirected his follow through from that of Adebayors ankle.
For me the best thing to come out of it is that at the tender age of 20 Shawcross is not going to lie down and be both intimidated and overawed which is what he is going to need if he wants to make it to the top.
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Post by crimesy on Nov 5, 2008 23:24:17 GMT
i was directly infront of it and there seemed nothing wrong with it.. adebayor moved asif to try and keep the ball in play and ryan got his foot on the ball before taking adebayor, not the greatest tackle but very far from a sending off appeal.. i also had a clear view of adebayors tackle on ryan which was a red card appeal..
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 6, 2008 0:30:32 GMT
I don't know either Gods but the whole furuore surrounding it is doing my head in as he did get the ball. Another one is how far away the ball was from Walcott-not that far You Arsenal tossers! Deluded bar stools!
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Post by mark71 on Nov 6, 2008 0:45:34 GMT
Lets be honest if Ryan was after revenge he wouldn't go flying in studs showing, If he wanted retribution he would go in and make a firm challenge taking ball first then the man.
Ryan had Adebayore's card marked the moment he tried to slice his bollocks off with his studs.
What goes around comes around.
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Post by leescfc84 on Nov 6, 2008 2:29:05 GMT
Adebayor, Adebayoooooooooooooooooooor, 1 tackle from Shawcross, he didn't play anymore
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Post by stokenc on Nov 6, 2008 7:28:35 GMT
Had a good view of this from the South Stand.
was slightly off the pitch.
was a strong tackle.
BUT.....he did win the ball.
AND....it was no worse than Adebayor's.
As much as I love stoke Ryan did want to get the ball in a committed tackle. But surely if that tackle was 'horrific' wouldn't all the players have reacted and styles would have sent him off straight off??
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Nov 6, 2008 7:44:31 GMT
It was also not malicious as Wenger has stated - malicious is, in my eyes, something like Keane on Haaland a few years back.
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Post by stone6 on Nov 6, 2008 8:02:39 GMT
Personally i thought Ryan conducted himself with total professionalism. Anyone who's played football at a decent level would of made the same challenge, it's part of the game. Adebeyor hit his tackle on Ryan in the first half and got booked for it, lets not forget Ryan's reaction to this challenge which clearly hurt him, he got up and tried to run it off with no fuss to make the referee think it was any worse than it was. In the 2nd half when seeing the opportunity to hit a strong committed tackle taking the ball first Ryan took it. Lets face it Adebeyor didn't make a big song and dance about it only Wenger.
Keep up the form and committment Ryan i'm glad i stuck by my guns and said you were Faye's best partner, unlike a lot of others on here.
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Post by matt1986 on Nov 6, 2008 8:21:08 GMT
It wasn't malicious, but it was a foul. You cant go through the back of someone to get the ball, but it wasn't a tackle people should be talking about after the game.
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Post by PONTAFCE on Nov 6, 2008 8:26:16 GMT
I would have to say that shawcross did get some of the ball but we all know he got the man aswell.He never intended to take adabeyor out at all he went for the ball and he went in before the ball went out.All this shit wenger is talking is bollocks he needs to look at his squad and ask are you all fairys.
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Post by Done it for scfcbuxton on Nov 6, 2008 8:29:25 GMT
adebayor moved asif to try and keep the ball in play and ryan got his foot on the ball before taking adebayor, Do you know Asif aswell. Sound lad Asif is, can't believe hes mingling with Adebayor and Shawcross though, small world eh. |
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Post by rorymscfc on Nov 6, 2008 8:41:08 GMT
If Adebayor hadn't been injured then there would have been nothing more said about Ryan's tackle on him. The subsequent injury is what has caused all the controversy. It wasn't a horror tackle and was nowhere near as nasty or dangerous as Dawson's tackle on Sidebe a few weeks ago, for which he was rightly sent off.
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Post by cousindupree on Nov 6, 2008 9:05:41 GMT
Only Ryan knows whether he saw a chance to give Adebayor a bit of a kicking...have to say it was a needless lunge didnt even need to tackle his man as he was going nowhere....either inexperienced or red mist decended
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Post by mistersausage on Nov 6, 2008 9:18:04 GMT
Bendtners aerial assault on Higgy was worse imo.
Add to that Gerards flying pig impression in the Chumpions League.
Why the fuck do Liverpool get away with it time after tiem. They might as well give Liverscum a penalty before the start of every home game.
Liverscum are shit and seem to have all the luck atm.
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Post by bertieb on Nov 6, 2008 9:54:44 GMT
If you look carefully you will see that the big jessie is actually trying to play the ball as Ryan is coming in, if he is still trying to play the ball Ryan has every right to go for it as well. as for the Sagna(sp) Rory actually got a big touch on the ball as was pointed out at the time on Setanta. Walcott was a foul simple as but it was the fall that hurt him. All this publicity is great tho' and I cant wait for the next instalment at the Brit ;D
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Post by knowles on Nov 6, 2008 10:04:34 GMT
Sorry I needed to get that of my chests! How many have you got? To be honest, I thought it was a bit of a needless tackle but he did get the ball (unlike Adebayor in the first half). Wenger-gate has really got me wound up. I detest Arsenal even more than I did a week ago |
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Post by tazi on Nov 6, 2008 10:17:37 GMT
Bendtners aerial assault on Higgy was worse imo. Add to that Gerards flying pig impression in the Chumpions League. Why the fuck do Liverpool get away with it time after tiem. They might as well give Liverscum a penalty before the start of every home game. Liverscum are shit and seem to have all the luck atm. It sure was worse because Higgi could quite easily have suffered from a broken back. |
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Post by bossthemidfield on Nov 6, 2008 10:52:37 GMT
Personally I think all this dissection of this tackle and that tackle is all bollocks, its a bloody physical game, things happen. Its a shame we’ve crashed the PL party, it really is. Anyone sent any grapes to Arsnil? |
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Post by lew86 on Nov 6, 2008 11:27:21 GMT
Personally I think all this dissection of this tackle and that tackle is all bollocks, its a bloody physical game, things happen. Its a shame we’ve crashed the PL party, it really is. Anyone sent any grapes to Arsnil? lol crashed it like the big drunken bruiser (metaphorically) was a strong one, but hey ho. Can we concentrate on Wigan now? |
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