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Post by serpico on Oct 27, 2008 20:07:50 GMT
Well there have been things that have come out as being under hand, the one that comes to mind is the gulf of tonkin incident, a incident which helped escalate the vietnam war, documents have now been declassified that show it didn't even happen. I don't blame people for being suspicious, and there's nothing wrong with asking questions, but I don't think the US government carried out the 9/11 attacks. The cover up is a cover up of gross and criminal negligence/incompetence. As I say, I'm open to the blind eye theory a'la pearl harbor, but still not seen any firm evidence to back that up. I've read and watched loads and the US doing it would make sense in some respects but I just don't think they did it. Thats because the neo-cons and Bin laden and co both had the same agenda, both of them wanted US troops in the middle east, both for different reasons, the neo-conservatives are imperialists and want the US military to be deployed all over the globe, and are VERY closely linked with the Israeli Likunik party, so the neoc-ons are happy to have the US military fighting Israels regional enemies for them. When 9/11 came along the neo-cons which littered the Bush admin saw it as a massive opportunity and grabbed it with both hands and exploited it for all it was worth, In fact even in a document written by a neo-conservative think tank called "the project for a new American century" prior to 9/11 openly stated that they wouldn't be able to implement their plans "absent a pearl harbor type event", so they were looking for a incident for which to exploit, they got lucky, because 9/11 came a long and they were able to dust off there "project for a new American century" plans. www.newamericancentury.org/As for Bin Laden and co, they wanted US troops in Afghanistan so they could galvanize a movement for a Jihad, you see, Al Qeadas main enemy isn't even the US, thats the Irony of all this, their main enemies are the US supported dictatorships/police states in the middle east, so Al Qeada's strategy is to bleed the US until bankruptcy, and as we are seeing now, the strategy is working, both the Afghan and Iraq wars will cost anywhere from $3-5 TRILLION when all is said and done, and once the US goes broke, they can no longer prop up the dictatorships in places like Saudi Arabia/Pakistan/Egypt etc. The action is in the re-action, the 9/11 attacks were designed as a slap in the face of the US and to goad the US to send in troops on the ground in Afghanistan, with the intent on bogging the US down in a costly and bloody war. However Bin Laden and co hadn't bargained for what was to happen in Iraq, which was a MASSIVE bonus and HUGE gift to All Qeada from the Bush admin. |
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Post by serpico on Oct 27, 2008 20:16:48 GMT
Meanwhile Serps....The Americans have Killed 8 Syrian civilians near the Iraqi Border... DEM EVIL SWOINES..!!   Very interesting timing, ... if I were a conspiracy theorist I'd think this was cooked up by Cheney, to try and illicit a response from Syria and turn it into some type of October surprise to help McKiller in the presidential race, remember, during the Georgia/Russia conflict John McCain (republican) got a nice bump in the polls as it allowed him to grandstand about "the evil Russians" invading poor little "fledgling democracy" georgia, even though the facts were that Georgia attacked south Ossetia first, killing 10 Russian peace keepers, that didn't matter though, facts generally don't matter in the US and there's a perception that crazy John McCain is a "foreign policy expert", so anything happening abroad plays well for for him, John McCain has been talking a lot about Ukraine in the debates as well, he kept repeating "watch Ukraine" about 3-4 time during his last debate, so I wouldn't be surprised if the neo-cons cook something up there. |
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Post by dad1 on Oct 27, 2008 20:25:42 GMT
Starkiller
One simple question for you to answer.
Do you think that the American government is guilty of murdering nearly 3000 of their own citizens, including the several hundred who you seem to believe were taken off the planes (if they weren't slaughtered by their own government, where are they?)
If the answer to this is "yes", then you have just shot your own conspiracy theory down in flames. If the US government has no qualms about murdering 3000 people then do you really think that they would let a few people who were peddling conspiracy theories, which could threaten their political positions, survive for more than a few minutes?
IF THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS WERE CORRECT, THEY WOULDN'T BE AROUND ANYMORE!
QED
serpico - you are probably correct about a cover-up because the US government are incompetent, though!! ;D
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Post by starkiller on Oct 28, 2008 11:10:46 GMT
Starkiller One simple question for you to answer. Do you think that the American government is guilty of murdering nearly 3000 of their own citizens, including the several hundred who you seem to believe were taken off the planes (if they weren't slaughtered by their own government, where are they?) If the answer to this is "yes", then you have just shot your own conspiracy theory down in flames. If the US government has no qualms about murdering 3000 people then do you really think that they would let a few people who were peddling conspiracy theories, which could threaten their political positions, survive for more than a few minutes? IF THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS WERE CORRECT, THEY WOULDN'T BE AROUND ANYMORE! QED serpico - you are probably correct about a cover-up because the US government are incompetent, though!! ;D Anyone who now disagrees with the Government can now be classed as a 'terrorist' under the thousands of laws passed. Why are governments so insanely paranoid to want to collect and store information on every single phone call, text message, web page viewed, email sent??? The internet will be totally controlled within a few years by everyone but the big boys. Everyone else being priced out. This will be done under the pretext of protecting us from terrorism, protecting children, etc. Look out for the scare stories about the internet in the news because it's all gearing us up for control. Think! |
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Post by broadwayroundabout on Oct 28, 2008 11:44:34 GMT
 now why did he spring to mind ??? |
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Post by serpico on Oct 28, 2008 12:47:22 GMT
Starkiller One simple question for you to answer. Do you think that the American government is guilty of murdering nearly 3000 of their own citizens, including the several hundred who you seem to believe were taken off the planes (if they weren't slaughtered by their own government, where are they?) If the answer to this is "yes", then you have just shot your own conspiracy theory down in flames. If the US government has no qualms about murdering 3000 people then do you really think that they would let a few people who were peddling conspiracy theories, which could threaten their political positions, survive for more than a few minutes? IF THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS WERE CORRECT, THEY WOULDN'T BE AROUND ANYMORE! QED serpico - you are probably correct about a cover-up because the US government are incompetent, though!! ;D Anyone who now disagrees with the Government can now be classed as a 'terrorist' under the thousands of laws passed. Why are governments so insanely paranoid to want to collect and store information on every single phone call, text message, web page viewed, email sent??? The internet will be totally controlled within a few years by everyone but the big boys being priced out. This will be done under the pretext of protecting us from terrorism, protecting children, etc. Look out for the scare stories about the internet in the news because it's all gearing us up for control. Think! I'm not doubting that their control freaks, and they actually think that by passing all these laws it protects us, when in actual fact you could have the laws you want, it won't stop someone who is intent on blowing themselves up, as I put in another thread, the answer to stopping terrorism is confronting the root cause, but the government doesn't want to do to that, so we see all these laws being passed. Governments are always looking for a way to crush civil liberties, and they always exploit crisis to push agendas, but it doesn't mean they were behind the attacks. All governments benefitted from the 9/11 attacks, because it gave them carte blanche to crush their enemies under the guise of a "war on terror", Israel almost instantly stepped up atrocities against Palestinians, Russia clamped down in chechnya, it's what governments do, they hijack catastrophe to push their agenda's, in the US it gave them a nice pre-text to dust of the PNAC documents. I know in America the president is now allowed to strip ANY US person of their citizenship, brand then a "enemy combatant" and throw them into a gulag for the rest of their lives, without charge, without access to a lawyer, without the right to habeas corpus, all justified by the "patriot" act and military commissions act of 2006, there was one guy called Jose Padilla, they picked him up and tortured him so badly that he is now a literal basket case. Torture is now official policy of the US, assistant attorney general John Yoo even stated that 'if the president deems it necessary he can crush a child's testicles ', I've no doubt they're sick people, but I still haven't seen anything that would concretely show they were behind the 9/11 attacks, just a bunch of speculation and half truths and red herrings. Cassel: If the president deems that he's got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person's child, there is no law that can stop him?
Yoo: No treaty
Cassel: Also no law by Congress -- that is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo...
Yoo: I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.
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Post by monkhousestokie on Oct 28, 2008 14:50:10 GMT
Some bad people crashed planes into buildings and a lot of people died. Boring I know, but there you are. For a look at the whole affair you might want to consider looking at: screwloosechange.blogspot.com/If you need some excitement in your life, stick to UFO's - still bollocks, but REALLY COOL! |
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Post by starkiller on Oct 28, 2008 18:29:09 GMT
Go back to bed, America, your government has figured out how it all
transpired, go back to bed America, your government is in control
again. Here. Here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back
to bed America, here's American Gladiators, here's 56 channels of
horseshit! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together
and congratulate yourself on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go
America !- You are free to do whatever we tell you! You are free to do
whatever we tell you!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 28, 2008 19:50:17 GMT
Starkiller One simple question for you to answer. Do you think that the American government is guilty of murdering nearly 3000 of their own citizens, including the several hundred who you seem to believe were taken off the planes (if they weren't slaughtered by their own government, where are they?) If the answer to this is "yes", then you have just shot your own conspiracy theory down in flames. If the US government has no qualms about murdering 3000 people then do you really think that they would let a few people who were peddling conspiracy theories, which could threaten their political positions, survive for more than a few minutes? IF THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS WERE CORRECT, THEY WOULDN'T BE AROUND ANYMORE! QED serpico - you are probably correct about a cover-up because the US government are incompetent, though!! ;D Anyone who now disagrees with the Government can now be classed as a 'terrorist' under the thousands of laws passed. Why are governments so insanely paranoid to want to collect and store information on every single phone call, text message, web page viewed, email sent??? The internet will be totally controlled within a few years by everyone but the big boys. Everyone else being priced out. This will be done under the pretext of protecting us from terrorism, protecting children, etc. Look out for the scare stories about the internet in the news because it's all gearing us up for control. Think! I think that this should be the concern of every person, the attack and erosion of civil liberties under the guise of the"war on terror". It is happening folks. |
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Post by starkiller on Oct 31, 2008 8:40:23 GMT
Like I was saying Internet Control is on it's way. Take this as a warning. www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24568137-2862,00.html It will eventually (within a few years) turn the internet into one big commercial, advertising, brain-killing government propaganda machine. Just like TV. Nazi book-burning for the 21st Century. Note also that China is the testing ground for the fascist state we will become. |
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