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Post by mumf14 on Oct 27, 2008 0:22:30 GMT
Did anyone else see the the programme tonight exploring all the angles as to how the two towers collapsed, and what role the American government had to play in all this if any.Some reports even suggested that bombs were planted in the buildings after video footage showed how the buildings collapsed in a virtually a vertical straight line without any deviation , thus supplying the conspiracy theorists with ample ammunition to suggest a bomb plot,( masterminded by the American Government).Some eye witnesses reported hearing explosions from within the Towers, whilst various experts gave their honest opinions as to the rational scientific explanation to the possible 'bomb sounds' reports.Many independent eye witness accounts were shown on tonights programme, which was very fair and unbiased in my humble opinion, but overwhelmingly the conspiracy theory is a complete load of bollox. As one head of security said..."Do you honestly think that the American government would be capable of such a thing...and if they did, don't you think that this would have have eventually been made public, like the Watergate scandal was...?".
One fire officer who was there at the time on that fateful day said, "I am amazed by all these people complaining about a government cover up , and the bomb theory.These are people who weren't even here.!Well I was , and I think that this kind of talk is an insult to all those who tragically died, and also to the families that were left behind." ..There was no conspiracy at all.!
Many other eye witnesses were filmed in the making of this programme , and after having watched it ,I'd have to firmly agree with the testimony of those who were there at the scene on that fateful day...
A great programme though, well researched and presented.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 27, 2008 0:38:58 GMT
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Post by prong on Oct 27, 2008 0:49:41 GMT
So then they cut to the BBC news girl, who goes "Oh, yeah, it's terrible, building 7 has gone, aww shit" and all that, but the bastard is still standing behind her.
If you ask me, there was a bit more to it than meets the eye, especially as most of building 7 was used for secret shit and disaster recovery. Oh, and the fire alarms were on 'test'.
And a load of other shit, too. You have to say that it raised some bloody good questions, but the conspiracy theorists weren't helped by the fact that most of them came across as twats.
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Post by serpico on Oct 27, 2008 0:51:02 GMT
The theories exist because the Bush admin haven't answered a lot of questions about what happened, why it happened and how come it wasn't stopped before it happened, the 9/11 commission report was a total white wash that exonerated anyone from any blame, even though it was the single biggest intelligence failure in US history, nobodies head rolled for it, and when there are so many unanswered questions it's perfect breading ground for "conspiracy theories" to proliferate, of course like any event lots of questions arise, but it seems that the Bush admin went out of there way not to answer them, remember it was 441 days before the Bush admin relented and finally agreed to a investigation in the first place.... why were they so intent on not having a investigation ? and then when they did finally agree to it they put Bush bagmen Hamilton and Keane in charge of it. Imo it was a cover up of gross and criminal negligence rather than a conspiracy.
The reason the 9/11 attack got through was due to the intelligence agencies failing to share information with each other through a huge wall of bureaucracy that had been built up, it was also due to turf wars within the agencies, each one not wanting to give the other any info because if they busted a case they'd get all the credit, the NSA had identified 2 or 3 of the hijackers prior to the attacks but failed tell the FBI or CIA about there presence in the US, if they had done the plot probably would have been uncovered.
There was also the case of zacharias moussaoui, the so called 20th hijacker who was in US custody prior to 9/11 but they failed to get a warrant to search his laptop, if they had done so, they would have uncovered the plot and likely stopped it.
There's a lot of theories, most of which are garbage, .... I'm open to the blind eye theory, but still have not seen any solid evidence to back it up, bar the warnings that Bush got prior to the attacks which he totally ignored, for example the August presidential daily briefing which said "bin laden determined to attack inside the US".
But in terms of 'bombs in the building' 'remote controlled planes' there doesn't seem to be any substance to them.
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Post by mumf14 on Oct 27, 2008 0:50:04 GMT
When a hijacked Jumbo deliberately crashes into a Skyscraper at 500 m.p.h....then the evidence is pretty conclusive. The C.I.A itself may have struggled to recruit Kamikaze pilots, unless of course they were coerced by way of religious beliefs and anti American fanatical hatred...
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Post by serpico on Oct 27, 2008 1:00:09 GMT
Also Kalid Shiekh Mohammed has admitted he was behind the attack, he admitted it to a al jazeera journalist in 2003, this was before he was tortured at Guantanamo bay, so it can be taken at face value, and wasn't just him admitting it to stop the torture. www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/mar/04/alqaida.terrorismSummoning every thread of experience and courage, I looked Khalid in the eye and asked: "Did you do it?" The reference to September 11 was implicit. Khalid responded with little fanfare: "I am the head of the al-Qaida military committee," he began, "and Ramzi is the coordinator of the Holy Tuesday operation. And yes, we did it."
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Post by prong on Oct 27, 2008 1:03:17 GMT
I don't buy remote controlled planes for a second. What I'm talking about is the controlled demolition of building 7.
The government demolition expert made a huge song and dance about how it would be impossible to set up a demolition without anyone knowing about it - but who's to say that no-one knew about it?
That entire building could have been jammed full of people who all knew about work going on, redecoration, night time maintenance, that sort of thing.
It's just that the pressure of coming out and saying "Hey, I know it was 9/11 but by golly there is something going on here" would be too much for any God-sucking American to do, for fear of choking on his own rapidly swallowed patriotism.
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Post by Block 26 on Oct 27, 2008 1:06:07 GMT
it's an absolute disgrace to those that lost their lives, that people think of a conspiracy.
an absolute disgrace.
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Post by prong on Oct 27, 2008 1:07:25 GMT
But I'd forgotten all about this by the time I was shouting at the man in the eye trap in Saw II to put his hand across his face to stop the thing closing on his face.
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Post by serpico on Oct 27, 2008 1:08:03 GMT
Well if it was a "inside job" they have me fooled, I think it was KSM/Bin laden/Al Zawahiri and co.
Read Lawrence Wrights "the Looming tower" or Peter Bergens "Holy war inc".
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 27, 2008 1:13:18 GMT
it's an absolute disgrace to those that lost their lives, that people think of a conspiracy. an absolute disgrace. But what if it was? Don't the families of those who died deserve proper answers rather than a cover up? What's disgraceful about wanting the truth?
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Post by serpico on Oct 27, 2008 1:15:09 GMT
it's an absolute disgrace to those that lost their lives, that people think of a conspiracy. an absolute disgrace. But what if it was? Don't the families of those who died deserve proper answers rather than a cover up? What's disgraceful about wanting the truth? Indeed. video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481&hl=en
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Post by mumf14 on Oct 27, 2008 1:18:50 GMT
Huddysleftfoot.....The truth may be that terrorists killed several thousand Americans by crashing hijacked planes into the Twin Towers.
Of course the other option is ...that the American president allowed this to happen , or even was behind this atrocity.
Take your pick...Which is most likely..?
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Post by Block 26 on Oct 27, 2008 1:20:41 GMT
it's an absolute disgrace to those that lost their lives, that people think of a conspiracy. an absolute disgrace. But what if it was? Don't the families of those who died deserve proper answers rather than a cover up? What's disgraceful about wanting the truth? LOOK PAL, IF I SAY IT'S NOT A COVER IT, THEN IT BLOODY WELL ISNT! ;D EDIT: seriously though, i really don't think it's an inside job.
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Post by MUZZPERTH on Oct 27, 2008 7:08:54 GMT
bush is corrupt. in fact the powers at be in the west all are. i've watched all these conspiracy videos and they really do make you wonder if there is more to it than meets the eye.
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Oct 27, 2008 12:28:44 GMT
I dont beleive the 'bombs in the buildings' or remote control plane theories, but the one thing that needs much, much more investigaion is how much the scum running the US knew about the attacks and why nothing was done to prevent them.
There is so much evidance that they knew enough to stop it so why didnt they?
Oh yes, because it gave them an easy ticket to start invading countries to tie up oil supplies........ i mean fight terrorists.
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Post by mumf14 on Oct 27, 2008 12:54:19 GMT
Mmmmm, The time will come when oil eventually runs out.This time will be known as the First World Oil war...
It will be interesting to see how the balance of global power could change and how peoples perception of World peace changes to accomodate this new concept.
Who will inherit the new title of 'The WORLDS POLICEMAN'...Iraq, Iran ,Russia ,Kuwait....?
Will this new World Policeman command the same respect and trust, or will it become a more volatile place.?Of course there are some who already take the view that America should hand in it's Sheriff badge already , on the grounds of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
It's inevitable that more and more pressure will be placed on Western governments as the cost of Oil spirals into the stratosphere.Opec has AGAIN stated that it intends to reduce Oil supplies this week , thus forcing up the prices at the pumps.This in itself is bound to lead to a slump in the stock markets and could not come at a worse time especially when the West is already facing a global credit crisis and economic recession...
I'm glad I've got a bike and coal fire.
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Post by vote for pedro on Oct 27, 2008 15:05:35 GMT
i'm pretty sure i heard/read somewhere that maintenance staff were seen drilling holes throughout each floor and pumping a thick liquid into the holes
i belive that it was the only way the president could sanction an attack on affganistan to sort out bin liner (who the cia had been funding), which in turn lead them to go into iraq again to sort out the mustachio'd one
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Post by starkiller on Oct 27, 2008 15:07:58 GMT
Did anyone else see the the programme tonight exploring all the angles as to how the two towers collapsed, and what role the American government had to play in all this if any.Some reports even suggested that bombs were planted in the buildings after video footage showed how the buildings collapsed in a virtually a vertical straight line without any deviation , thus supplying the conspiracy theorists with ample ammunition to suggest a bomb plot,( masterminded by the American Government).Some eye witnesses reported hearing explosions from within the Towers, whilst various experts gave their honest opinions as to the rational scientific explanation to the possible 'bomb sounds' reports.Many independent eye witness accounts were shown on tonights programme, which was very fair and unbiased in my humble opinion, but overwhelmingly the conspiracy theory is a complete load of bollox. As one head of security said..."Do you honestly think that the American government would be capable of such a thing...and if they did, don't you think that this would have have eventually been made public, like the Watergate scandal was...?". One fire officer who was there at the time on that fateful day said, "I am amazed by all these people complaining about a government cover up , and the bomb theory.These are people who weren't even here.!Well I was , and I think that this kind of talk is an insult to all those who tragically died, and also to the families that were left behind." ..There was no conspiracy at all.! Many other eye witnesses were filmed in the making of this programme , and after having watched it ,I'd have to firmly agree with the testimony of those who were there at the scene on that fateful day... A great programme though, well researched and presented. The programme was nothing but a cover-up, brainwashing crock of shite. The need to keep showing this stuff is because people are waking up to the truth and the 'elite' are shit scared their cover has been blown. And the psychotic paranoia of those in charge to have every bit of information on us shows how worried they are. Neither planes or fire would have taken one of those buildings down, nevermind all three. No steel structure has ever been taken down with fire, so three on the same fucking day???? Wake up. How hot would it have to had been to melt this steel? Where were the flames as a result of this heat? If it was hot enough in that building to melt steel, how could people stand at the windows for hours waiting for help? The flames should have been pouring out right to the bottom. Oh, and how did one of the 'hijackers' passports remain intact in the debris, surviving all that heat to magically appear? By the way, this 'hijacker' turned up alive and well. (another cock-up in the cover up). Why did NORAD stand down on 9/11??? Just some of the many thousands of questions and plot-holes in the official 'story' that show up 9/11 for what it was - an inside job. Also exactly like 7/7 London using 'drills' to try to cover up what they were doing. Flight 93 and the Pentagon have just as many questions. World tyranny awaits for those who fail to question our 'glorious' leaders. In fact we are getting closer to it by the hour. Never mind, get back to watching 'X Factor.'
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 27, 2008 16:50:03 GMT
Also Kalid Shiekh Mohammed has admitted he was behind the attack, he admitted it to a al jazeera journalist in 2003, this was before he was tortured at Guantanamo bay, so it can be taken at face value, and wasn't just him admitting it to stop the torture. www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/mar/04/alqaida.terrorismSummoning every thread of experience and courage, I looked Khalid in the eye and asked: "Did you do it?" The reference to September 11 was implicit. Khalid responded with little fanfare: "I am the head of the al-Qaida military committee," he began, "and Ramzi is the coordinator of the Holy Tuesday operation. And yes, we did it."
Maybe he just wanted the glory?
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Post by serpico on Oct 27, 2008 17:10:31 GMT
Also Kalid Shiekh Mohammed has admitted he was behind the attack, he admitted it to a al jazeera journalist in 2003, this was before he was tortured at Guantanamo bay, so it can be taken at face value, and wasn't just him admitting it to stop the torture. www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/mar/04/alqaida.terrorismSummoning every thread of experience and courage, I looked Khalid in the eye and asked: "Did you do it?" The reference to September 11 was implicit. Khalid responded with little fanfare: "I am the head of the al-Qaida military committee," he began, "and Ramzi is the coordinator of the Holy Tuesday operation. And yes, we did it."
Maybe he just wanted the glory? Yes, maybe it's all just one giant fake, every last aspect of the attacks right down to the faked voice morphed phone calls from the passengers on the planes to their relatives
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Post by smapples on Oct 27, 2008 17:13:12 GMT
Come on now, lets be logical. Secret police and super advanced technology believable.
The American government killing loads of thier own and fucking up thier economy for a while not really.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 27, 2008 17:20:50 GMT
I don't think there is a conspiracy personally. Like JFk and the moon landings people see things as being underhand. Its the government acting as they should-secretly. They aren't going to release sensitive material with regards to matters of national defence. People forget that the Pentagon is the home of the America MOD and that they would be foolish to let pictures of what happened out.
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Post by serpico on Oct 27, 2008 17:34:14 GMT
I don't think there is a conspiracy personally. Like JFk and the moon landings people see things as being underhand. Its the government acting as they should-secretly. They aren't going to release sensitive material with regards to matters of national defence. People forget that the Pentagon is the home of the America MOD and that they would be foolish to let pictures of what happened out. Well there have been things that have come out as being under hand, the one that comes to mind is the gulf of tonkin incident, a incident which helped escalate the vietnam war, documents have now been declassified that show it didn't even happen. I don't blame people for being suspicious, and there's nothing wrong with asking questions, but I don't think the US government carried out the 9/11 attacks. The cover up is a cover up of gross and criminal negligence/incompetence. As I say, I'm open to the blind eye theory a'la pearl harbor, but still not seen any firm evidence to back that up.
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Post by mumf14 on Oct 27, 2008 18:09:53 GMT
Starkiller...The answers were all there ....one can only assume you either didn't watch it due to your fascination for the X Factor or you hadn't got the ability to discern the rhetoric from the truth.
Coming from a true blue conservative as yourself I find your comments even more surprising.... This is in direct contrast to all the Conservative murmourings on the subject.
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Post by starkiller on Oct 27, 2008 18:11:04 GMT
Come on now, lets be logical. Secret police and super advanced technology believable. The American government killing loads of thier own and fucking up thier economy for a while not really. Why not? They've done both of those before. And it's people higher up than the American government. As for the calls. Flight ninety-three was probably grounded, the passengers removed, then forced to call. This is one of the most disturbing evidences to that effect. When you've got one or two things that don't add up about the day then conspiracies are just that. When you've got literally hundreds of things that don't add up, are questionable or completely incorrect then you've got to have the intelligence or ignorance of a 4-year old not to ask questions. This world simply is not as it is presented on the mainstream media.
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Post by Block 26 on Oct 27, 2008 18:14:03 GMT
thing is, all those video's there from people all itching to point out the tiniest thing! ever noticed how there's only people saying it's a conspiracy, they've let no one who is an expert talk to say why these things happened to give people two different opinions!
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Post by starkiller on Oct 27, 2008 19:10:28 GMT
thing is, all those video's there from people all itching to point out the tiniest thing! ever noticed how there's only people saying it's a conspiracy, they've let no one who is an expert talk to say why these things happened to give people two different opinions! The same goes for the TV programmes. There are plenty of experts who do not accept the official story but the programmes usually feature 'amateurs' and are often badly portrayed. Being on TV gives it no more credibility, in fact it becomes more suspect as they peddle the official line.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 27, 2008 19:33:46 GMT
I don't think there is a conspiracy personally. Like JFk and the moon landings people see things as being underhand. Its the government acting as they should-secretly. They aren't going to release sensitive material with regards to matters of national defence. People forget that the Pentagon is the home of the America MOD and that they would be foolish to let pictures of what happened out. Well there have been things that have come out as being under hand, the one that comes to mind is the gulf of tonkin incident, a incident which helped escalate the vietnam war, documents have now been declassified that show it didn't even happen. I don't blame people for being suspicious, and there's nothing wrong with asking questions, but I don't think the US government carried out the 9/11 attacks. The cover up is a cover up of gross and criminal negligence/incompetence. As I say, I'm open to the blind eye theory a'la pearl harbor, but still not seen any firm evidence to back that up. I've read and watched loads and the US doing it would make sense in some respects but I just don't think they did it.
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Post by mumf14 on Oct 27, 2008 19:43:40 GMT
Meanwhile Serps....The Americans have Killed 8 Syrian civilians near the Iraqi Border... DEM EVIL SWOINES..!!
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