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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 7, 2008 19:05:54 GMT
..., but we seem to be more dangerous with Fuller and Mama! I really don't think Kitson fits in with our type of play, even though he is strong in the air and good at holding the ball up. Fuller seems to be more dangerous with Mama alongside him and we are certainly stronger in the air on set pieces with Mama on. I know Kitson played an important part in our goal against Pompey (I sat behind the goal with the Pompey supporters, it's almost impossible to get an away tickets for Stoke supporters living abroad!), but that was the first time I've seen any link up play between him and Fuller!
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Post by crimesy on Oct 7, 2008 19:09:53 GMT
i think kitson deserves more than 7 games to prove himself.
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 7, 2008 19:14:08 GMT
You might be right Garfield, but this is how it has looked so far to me.  |
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Post by serpico on Oct 7, 2008 19:15:17 GMT
i think kitson deserves more than 7 games to prove himself. Thats a fair point, but do we really have the time to be waiting for players to prove themselves ? at some point we have to play our strongest team with players comfortable in their positions, and as much as I highly rate Kitson, he will never fit into Pulis' system because he can play neither of the two front roles in a Pulis team . I hate to say it, but I'm inclined to agree, we should start with Mama and Fuller in the next game . |
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Post by stokie25 on Oct 7, 2008 19:15:51 GMT
the poor bloke has been played so deep that he has done more defensively! Credit to him for doing as he's told but for 5 and a half million, someone should be mentioning to TP that perhaps he should have a little go at being A STRIKER! No wonder he's in one!
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Post by sammychung on Oct 7, 2008 19:19:48 GMT
Kitson is better than Mama and Fuller. However, at the moment he is being asked to play 30 yards behind his natural position, whilst having "passes" played to his throat at about 30mph.
You would see a totally different player if he were played up top, with crosses coming in from either wing and occasional balls over the top into channels.
People calling him shit or a waste of £5.5m, should take a second to think about how well they would perform at work with all of their best skills taken away? Also, people don't get touted for England unless they have some sort of ability.
Give the guy a break and also some vocal support.
(alternatively, slag him off as much as possible, till his confidence completely disappears and eventually he hates the club and hands in a transfer request at a total £5 million loss to the club! Because thats the way things are heading at the moment.)
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Post by stokelad84 on Oct 7, 2008 19:24:23 GMT
Kitson is our best player. He has the best touch, control and vision. The only problem is this is probably the wrong team for him to play in  |
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Post by spoton on Oct 7, 2008 19:29:51 GMT
sorry can't agree entirely about Kitson i can tell he as ability BUT he has had two good chances 1at Liverpool and at Pompy not saying he should score but at 5.5 mill SHOULD it the target.
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Post by fradleyhomes on Oct 7, 2008 19:32:55 GMT
Kitson is quality, however pulis even though i rate him is not helping him. Also the fans get on my wick with this, Fuller can't do anything wrong even though he dives,moans,walks around,doesn't work hard when he aint got the ball.
C'Mon Kits prove em all wrong
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 7, 2008 19:57:12 GMT
You could probably say a lot of negative things about Fuller, but I think he has already proved that he can take this level. He is always a threat with his pace and power, and he has already scored 3 goals. If he had been a bit luckier the goal against Everton would have stood as well, and that would have taken him up to the top scorers in this league! He also plays for a team that right now is second from the bottom! Fuller is a fantastic player, maybe among the best strikers in this league on his day!
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Post by fradleyhomes on Oct 7, 2008 19:58:46 GMT
Not disputing that mate, but it narks me how people are so blinkererd, kitson will come good
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Post by bigb35 on Oct 7, 2008 21:33:41 GMT
i beleive he will come good in the end but we need it to start happening now
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Post by serpico on Oct 7, 2008 21:54:48 GMT
sorry can't agree entirely about Kitson i can tell he as ability BUT he has had two good chances 1at Liverpool and at Pompy not saying he should score but at 5.5 mill SHOULD it the target. The liverpool one was hardly a chance, if you're referring to the 25yrd effort ? probably should be hitting the target but it was hardly a guilt edged chance, he should have scored the Portsmouth one, no doubt about that, other than that he's been feeding on crumbs . He's actually made more goal line clearances than had shots on the oppositions goal  |
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Post by craig67 on Oct 7, 2008 21:58:33 GMT
The worry is though is that it is October,and he has only scored twice this year!
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Post by banburypotter on Oct 7, 2008 22:13:48 GMT
angus, top post mate.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Oct 7, 2008 23:00:50 GMT
Hang on he didn't play deep in the Bolton game, he was up top with Mama playing the Mama role and look who scored, yes Fuller.
You have to wonder about his state of mind, he spent last year in negativity land with a team that got relegated, Fuller and Mama however are still flying from last years success?
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Oct 7, 2008 23:30:23 GMT
Does anyone think that when Liam hits form, Dave will start banging them in? There's no doubt that Dave's a class act on his day (for the people calling him wank, just fuck off, he's having a bad run of form), but I reckon when Liam starts playing at the top of his game and can deliver some proper balls then Dave will really start flying. I don't know how good Tonge or Soares are at crossing, but surely they have to be better than Cressie (though I like him), and if TP starts playing them on the left then that's got to help as well.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2008 23:36:14 GMT
Hang on he didn't play deep in the Bolton game, he was up top with Mama playing the Mama role and look who scored, yes Fuller. You have to wonder about his state of mind, he spent last year in negativity land with a team that got relegated, Fuller and Mama however are still flying from last years success? Kitson can't play the Mama role, they are two totally different players!  |
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Post by assessornum1 on Oct 8, 2008 11:13:43 GMT
Play all 3, go on tone, u know it makes sense
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Post by stokeoptimist on Oct 8, 2008 11:35:10 GMT
Sorry you misunderstood me because I didn't write it very clearly, what I meant to say is that in the Bolton game Kitson played up top with Mama in the deeper role.
So its not where he is playing it's his confidence level, which is understandable after having a seaon already of negativity and relegation.
I would play Fuller and Mama with Kitson coming on as sub until he gets his confidence back!
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Post by eriksson74 on Oct 8, 2008 12:14:07 GMT
Thats a fair point, but do we really have the time to be waiting for players to prove themselves ? at some point we have to play our strongest team with players comfortable in their positions, and as much as I highly rate Kitson, he will never fit into Pulis' system because he can play neither of the two front roles in a Pulis team .
I hate to say it, but I'm inclined to agree, we should start with Mama and Fuller in the next game .[/quote]
Or perhaps Pulis could change the system and play to players strengths? Spunking £5.5m on a quality striker only to play him in midfield is nothing short of scandelous
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Post by lordb on Oct 8, 2008 12:17:40 GMT
Kitsons closet effort on goal was his forcing Hoyte into an OG @ Boro & that was from a superb Liam cross.
that to me backs up the argument that he would look miles better (indedd would score goals) if we had wingers/if Liam get back on form.
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Post by big bea on Oct 8, 2008 16:17:12 GMT
its not a waste of 5.5 million. he wont score enough for it rise that much
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