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Post by knowingeye on Sept 13, 2008 20:17:04 GMT
Apart from Dicko, where do we see any future first team players? It's all very well letting the younger lads go for loans to get "experience" but how do they push on?
We're not the only Premiership club with this issue.
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Post by Miniman on Sept 13, 2008 20:28:47 GMT
Our biggest prospect is probably Shotton at the moment but, I doubt that he will ever make it into the top 15 players....
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Post by premierpotter08 on Sept 13, 2008 20:42:32 GMT
Yet 15 mile don the road Crewe have a very succesful youth setup.
We have a lot to learn from Crewe about successful running of an acadamy.
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Post by premierpotter08 on Sept 13, 2008 20:44:03 GMT
It might be worth Coatesy taking over Crewe just for their acadamy ;D
We could then give our second side regualar first team football by loaning them all to Crewe. They could be our feeder club ;D
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Post by Vodkab1ock on Sept 13, 2008 21:37:21 GMT
the thing is if we can manage to stay in the Premier lge for a few years we will then be able to attract some of the better young lads around the area. I understand what you are saying KE a youth policy is very mportant but for Stoke as a club it is not the most important thing for the next year or two. If we can stay in the Premier for the next 3 years the club will then have the funds to do what ever they want youth wise. survival is alot more important for the future of the club that the youth set up at this moment in time.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Sept 13, 2008 22:22:58 GMT
Apart from Dicko, where do we see any future first team players? It's all very well letting the younger lads go for loans to get "experience" but how do they push on? We're not the only Premiership club with this issue. It is more about them actually getting a game more than experience I would suggest. One of the biggest issues in this country is what happens to young players between the ages of 18 when they get their first pro contract after graduating out of the Academt structure up to the age of say 21. Development seems to stop (unless you are the next Wayne Rooney and you get thrown straight into the first team). It is a critical period in player progression yet nothing much is done to cater for it at the parent club itself. The only Premier League option appears to be to loan the players out to lower league levels where they sink or swim. With Premier League club squad sizes as they now are, the youngsters are lucky if they get the odd bench splinter in the rear end experience on the bench of the reserves at their own club. It is in the hands then of lower league clubs to guide them through this crucial formative period? It isn't really a recipe for producing top flight footballers of our own is it? Just a quick word about Crewe. The term "used to" strictly applies here. They now struggle to produce players good enough to keep their heads above water in Div 1. There is a mixture of no longer having the jump on youth development and the plot being lost at Rease Heath. It is no longer a model we need to aspire to. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2008 8:28:56 GMT
As I see things developing..rather than in the past 'small clubs generating the players for the big clubs
The starting point will be the Prem clubs academy , as it's them that can afford the facilites , pitches and coaches , the player will then filter downwards as he approaches first year professional level ,( as the Prem club have the money to pick the best pick fully mature players from around the world for their first X1 ) the Prem academy player will possibly then remerge back in the prem.
It's the middle years that he'll be farmed out - whether that's a formal , informal or no agreement basis is down to the FA to control the relationship some clubs already have with each other.
Failing that is the need for quotas of locally produced players..fine, what's the size of catchment area? and if your in the hotbed areas of the NW and high populated areas such as london.. other areas?
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Post by anarchicalan on Sept 14, 2008 10:56:04 GMT
Why do you think we lost the best youth coach in the country?
A manager who only plays academy players when we have an injury crisis - then gets pleasantly surprised when they do well - isn't going to want to develop home grown talent.
This subject was pretty well debated a couple of seasons ago. The outcome was that WE are paying for the academy. Who else has had phone calls asking for further contributions to help it grow? The club has to invest for the future, and that means youth development.
Whilst I agree in part that we need to consolidate before we grow, we can't ignore the need to improve and increase the youth team(s).
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