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Post by Admin on Jan 17, 2004 19:53:57 GMT
Just seen it on SKY... yet another fucking joke of a decision.
These officials really are not fit to take charge of football matches.
Should have no trouble with the appeal!
Smudge
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Post by Rex on Jan 17, 2004 20:00:25 GMT
Smudge, We only heard what went on, and I've just missed it, I'll be taking more than a passing interest in this one. And it was on the say so of the 4th official by all accounts. which is just what the people on here were asking for in that thread I started, and which I did say several times, it is just then giving yet another opinion. If it had been down to just the referee and his assistants then Johnson wouldnt of been sent off !!
See I dont talk bollox !! as much as people on that thread would like to think.
The officials were obviously reading that thread in the week and bowed down to the posters who insisted on using the 4th official for matters like these ;D
Rex
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Post by smeegsSCFC on Jan 17, 2004 20:01:17 GMT
What happened Smudge? ???
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Post by BigDick on Jan 17, 2004 20:04:47 GMT
O knew Rex would be lurking somewhere to get in on this  Missed it today so I'll be taking a keen interest in the TV highlights. Don't want to miss an opportunity for ref bashin'. ;D Seriously, if it as you say Smudge, then hopefully a successful appeal and no harm done. Saying that, Sky Sports News are saying that they expect to hear more about the "20 man fracas". Hope this doesn't get us in to trouble. How did you see it? |
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Post by Admin on Jan 17, 2004 20:05:25 GMT
Smeegs,
Bit of a melee (started by Wimbledon) - Johnson goes up to pull people away, gets pulled away himself and something was said and he pushes guy away lightly in chest... all this happening while Ed De Goey is forcefully THROWN to the floor by a Wimbledon player... outcome? EDG gets booked (for being Dutch I'm guessing?) and Johnson gets a straight red!
A disgrace - plain and simple. Knew it at the game and confirmed 100% by the TV highlights. This ref was a joke from start to finish and concluded with top-notch comedy!
Have you noticed how these 4th officials have suddenly started getting more and more involved???
Smudge
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Post by Chorley on Jan 17, 2004 20:11:08 GMT
Ferchrissakes - when will these people EVER learn...if you raise your hands to anybody, REGARDLESS of intent - you run the risk of something being misinterpreted and being punished. It's SIMPLE! Don't EVER raise your hands! These are grown men we're talking about here - if they can't abide by that then what hope do they have?! Just walk away...
I'm not saying that players deserve to go for it, but it leaves them wide open...
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Post by stokermint on Jan 17, 2004 20:13:58 GMT
It looked to me as if he was having a bit of a 'push and shove' with one of the Wimbledon players. It was outside the huddle of players that were fighting so the fourth official saw it.
Other players probably deserved a red card (whoever floored big Ed for one thing) and Johnson was only given one because it was the most obvious one and he had to send off someone.
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Post by smeegsSCFC on Jan 17, 2004 20:16:42 GMT
mini hitlers spring to mind Smudge, and every time we end up with one i get more and more angry! Ive seen better standards at Hanley Town!
smeegs
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Post by stripey on Jan 17, 2004 20:43:56 GMT
Smudge,
How dare you forget the disgraceful unprofessional thing that Taggart did to get booked.
I mean, getting a ball kicked at you really is silly and Gerry really does deserve any punishment that comes his way!
Seriously though, the linesman was right infront of the EDG incident and did nothing at all. A booking for what he did was nothing short of ridiculous.
No doubt the referee had one of his bum boys, sorry "assessors" giving him a nice 8 or 9 out of 10.
Bitter? you bloody bet i am.#nosmileys
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Post by smeegsSCFC on Jan 17, 2004 20:50:52 GMT
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Post by Moosehead on Jan 17, 2004 21:41:55 GMT
One thing is 'raising your hand', but Johnsnon only seemed to hold the guy off him, he did nothing different from any of the other guys in that melee. If he doesn't get that overturned then something is definetly wrong.
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Post by Rex on Jan 17, 2004 22:13:09 GMT
Have you been waiting long? ;D
Remember, I did say that the more officials you have then the more eratic/inconsistency we would have as it adds yet more opinions to any incident that occurs, I still havent watched the game as I sat down with the wife to watch a film.
The point of this? I know many people will hate to say it on here, but yes Rexy boy was right. Johnson was sent off on the say so of the fourth official.
no more needs to be said really, except that people found it to be not worthy of talking about and started taking the piss. Well discuss that above between you cos i for one have proven my point on this well beyond what even I couldnt forsee would happen just 2 or 3 days after the main thread started.
Perhaps Rex just might know something after all ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Hairystool on Jan 17, 2004 22:43:15 GMT
Rex, How come you weren't asked to take over when Phillip Don was made redundant?  |
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Post by Rex on Jan 17, 2004 22:59:27 GMT
Cos, if you have never seen me you wouldn't know, but I am as i have said before, NOT your typical Referee ;D My arms dont match the criteria  Rex |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jan 17, 2004 23:17:27 GMT
Wonder if the referee went into the dressing room afterards and explained his decision? I am prepared to bet alot of money that he didn't. These are the sort times referres need to show a bit of bollocks and stand up for themselves. If there not prepared to do that then they will forever be seen as the weak, incompetent officials that they are seen as today
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Post by Moosehead on Jan 17, 2004 23:32:31 GMT
Uriah Rennie was showing some consistency I see, giving home town decisions.
Firstly sending off Martiensson last year, then 'missing' the handball in the Spurs - Scouse game today
BTW, how do you start a thread on here?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jan 17, 2004 23:46:42 GMT
If you go on the the main board (the Stoke City one) then look to on the top right of the board you will see three options (new thread, new poll, and another one I can't think of now). Obvisously clicking 'new thread' allows you to start a new thread, funnily enough |
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Post by Admin on Jan 18, 2004 9:31:23 GMT
When you look at the whole incident again there are no punches thrown and it's all pretty tame stuff... yet, somehow, we end up with FOUR bookings and a sending-off from the incident. What the hell ever happened to common sense?
And this thing about "raising hands"... it's all a load of cobblers really. No punches are thrown and there is no "violent conduct". Richard Johnson clearly goes in to help calm the situation and somehow ends up getting sent off.
All of this contrasts somewhat with the incident towards the end when Kris Commons dispossessed Darlington and set off towards goal. Darlington tried to trip him, failed, and then made sure by grappling him down with a full length rugby tackle... result?... yellow card.
The refereeing world has gone fucking mad and you wonder where it is all going to end? Nine yellow cards and one red in a game that had no nasty moments in it at all - like I said, whatever happened to common sense?
Smudge
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jan 18, 2004 11:59:15 GMT
Another thing, how come our player gets sent off for a powder-puff push but one of their players only gets booked for a premeditated rugby tackle on Kris Commons in clear goal scoring position.  |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jan 18, 2004 12:00:23 GMT
Give it a couple if hours and Rex will come up with all the answers ;D He'll make us see the error of our ways |
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Post by twolittlepigss on Jan 18, 2004 12:59:58 GMT
The Sky "Goals on Sunday" bunch including Jim Smith and Harry Redknapp thought the decision very harsh and couldn't understand why he was singled out from some of the other "Handbags" |
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Post by Davef on Jan 18, 2004 13:03:30 GMT
I wasn't sure who hauled Ed to the floor at the game, but looking at the incident again on Sky it turns out it was Chorley. So, Chorley gets a yellow card for kicking the ball at Gerry Taggart and pushing Ed to the ground and Richard Johnson gets a red card for a little shove. Pathetic |
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Post by Admin on Jan 18, 2004 13:04:05 GMT
Like they all said - it was a a general melee of pushing and shoving and somehow Richard Johnson gets picked out - it was just pathetic. The only person who should have been booked, or disciplined, is the Wimbledon player Chorley who was responsible for kicking the ball at Taggart on the floor and then throwing Ed De Goey to the floor... the real culprit escapes!!!
The saddest thing of all is that the decision was taken by the 4th official - stuck on the sideline and looking desperately to get involved and make a name for himself. Why did this same 4th official point out to the referee the crimes of Chorley if he really wanted to make a positive contribution?
I really despair at the state of refereeing at the moment, I really do!
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Post by gordonblanks on Jan 18, 2004 13:28:33 GMT
Taggarts booking aswell was a joke.
He gets chopped down then the ball kicked at him and he gets booked for nothing more than remenstrating with the culprit!
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Post by Pricey on Jan 18, 2004 13:43:56 GMT
Smudge et al.
There is someone on the other board that says he was sitting in the Wimbledon end and saw Johnson punch somebody:
"childsplay
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I was in the Wimbledon end and I clearly saw Johnson punch somebody. I thought he'd got away with it when the ref only booked the four players but the 4th official had spotted it. In my opinion he deserved it. You can't hit somebody and expect to get away with it."
I've never seen childsplay post before but they seem pretty genuine (not that its easy to tell on a messageboard like this).
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Post by twolittlepigss on Jan 18, 2004 14:54:23 GMT
On the TV reply he doesn't punch anyone, he pushes them "John Halls" style. As smudge says he went in to calm it down... |
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Post by Chorley on Jan 18, 2004 17:27:49 GMT
Woah! Hold on! In NO WAY WHATSOEVER did I intend to kick the ball straight at Taggs! It was but a harmless clearance! Indeed, as soon as I struck the ball, I thought "Uh-oh...this might not look good"!  As for the "raising hands" issue...if you don't raise your hands, it's not likely you'll be sent off for anything untoward...it's as simple as that, really... As for self-defence or the suchlike - that's bollocks...every " fit athlete" such as footballers should be able to take a punch...if somebody strikes out - let em...they'll get sent off and chances are, you'll win the game...I suppose it's what differentiates between those with "muscles for brains" and those of us with the grey matter... It's like that...and that's the way it is... |
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Post by Rex on Jan 18, 2004 19:01:23 GMT
I propose that as you lot aint happy with 4 officials as most of you said it was the way to go, and for four officials to take a more active part, why not go with 5 or 6? We can pay them good dollars as well in this very sticky climate in football ;D ;D
Milks the apologies or acceptance of the fact that he was right.
Well I would if anyone had enough humility for it ;D
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Post by JR on Jan 19, 2004 12:29:23 GMT
When I first saw it I thought the Wimbledon player would be booked and no more would happen. De goey shouldn't have joined in but did absolutely nothing to warrant a booking as did Taggart. When you consider an equal punishment was handed out for the challenge on Commons it makes it all more ridiculous.
RJ did push a player in the face and there is always that danger of a red but looking at it again it was no more than handbags. 4 yellows and a red to the neutral sounds like a mass brawl with punches being thrown. Was just a bit of push and shove and no more.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jan 19, 2004 12:34:54 GMT
It looked to me that RJ pushed round about the top of the chest. Certainley never got him in the face, althought I think he should of done If ya gonna get sent off ya may as well go down all guns blazing  |
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