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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 23, 2007 13:30:51 GMT
Never mind the hysteria about beating WBA it appears Stoke haven’t learned from last season, 3-1 up against Blackpool and almost threw away the win and again yesterday from 2-0 we sat back for almost all of the second half the only shot on WBA’s goal was Fullers’ goal, they were playing 3 up front so the space to score more on the counter attack was begging to be exploited, alas we were just happy to sit back, it cost us dearly last season and so far we’ve got away with it this season but for how long? GPG Gouranga.  |
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Post by Stick It On Cort's Head on Dec 23, 2007 13:37:31 GMT
if you go forward too much against them they wouldve thrashed us
miller wouldve been unstoppable on the counter attack, i agree we musnt sit back against crap teams but these were good and perhaps against lesser sides we could attack more, not against wba
they wouldve picked us off easily
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 23, 2007 13:43:12 GMT
I don’t agree, they were throwing everything forward and had gaping holes in their midfield and defence, if Stoke have serious ambitions to get automatic promotion then it doesn’t matter who we’re playing at 3-0 up at home we should be looking to bury teams not just sit back hoping to soak up pressure, a couple of fortunate misses from WBA could on another day have gone in, Philips shot that Simmo saved and Corts dreadful back pass. GPG Gouranga. |
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Post by Stick It On Cort's Head on Dec 23, 2007 13:45:16 GMT
to be fair, pulis was trying to force them out with exuberant hand signals!!
i think it was more of a case of they were pushing us back tbh, there a very good side indeed, they even pass it 6 or 7 times in the penalty area
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 23, 2007 13:45:29 GMT
I know this sounds picky BUT conceding the two late goals in consecutive games in disappointing. We were indeed in total control of each game and went on to win but attention to detail like that can prove decisive.
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Post by mcf on Dec 23, 2007 13:47:01 GMT
Have faith Albert We did the correct thing yesterday. We went 3-0 up by using those very tactics so I'm sure TP can have the benefit of the doubt can't he?  |
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Post by mcf on Dec 23, 2007 13:50:42 GMT
Joe
This may come as a real shock to some of you but these other teams do try you know - they don't just let Stoke piss it for 90 minutes.
Teams have little to lose and throw everything at you at the end of the game when they are losing.
Jesus fucking wept.
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Post by crewepotter on Dec 23, 2007 13:50:59 GMT
3 - 0 down they had 4 or 5 men up front at times what do you want Stoke to do, leave them unmarked
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 23, 2007 13:53:27 GMT
I really want to believe we can do it this year Merk but when we sit back like we did fro the second half yesterday my fingernails almost disappear, I have to agree with you though and give Pulis the benefit of any doubt at the moment, I just don’t want it to end up like last season when e threw away leads that inevitably cost us a place in the play-offs. GPG Gouranga. |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 23, 2007 13:56:23 GMT
3 - 0 down they had 4 or 5 men up front at times what do you want Stoke to do, leave them unmarked Did they have more players on the pitch than us ??? GPG Gouranga. |
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Post by mcf on Dec 23, 2007 13:58:12 GMT
We need to keep Fuller fit and a few new players in January and we will have every chance mate.
We don't look like we will be losing players in January like we did last year.
You can never be sure, but we look in good shape.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 23, 2007 13:58:19 GMT
mcf, before the corner at Blackpool Smithy said that our defence had "Left two out" We could reasonably assume that means left them unmarked and watching the highlights that was the case. And, of course, we conceded. Thats sloppy and inexcusable. They might have been throwing everything at us but in that case our defence failed to do its job. As I say, attention to detail like that can be decisive and/or costly.
Yesterday we concede late again. Winning with unsoiled sheets breeds extra confidence. As well as a better goal difference of course.
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Post by mcf on Dec 23, 2007 14:00:09 GMT
We have the joint second best in the league don't we?
I think you are being a bit too analytical here Joe.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 23, 2007 14:03:56 GMT
Not too analytical at all. Just noticing soemthing in our side that needs to be rectified IMHO.
We are on a great run and having a great season but you can always improve.
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Post by stokie23 on Dec 23, 2007 14:14:50 GMT
they were throwing everything forward and had gaping holes in their midfield and defence It is because of that, that Fuller scored his 3rd...They are probably the best team in the league and have scored the most goals, they were also going to come at us in the second half, they had nothing to loose at 3-0 down..we had everything to loose |
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Post by kingdeano on Dec 23, 2007 15:52:08 GMT
albert you come out with the biggest bolocks ive ever seen! we were 2 nil up against possibly the best team in the league, then they bring on phillips and miller (not a bad bench) what did you honestly expect us to do??? before the game any normal person would know that we would have to soak up long periods of pressure this was a quality team ffs! we soaked up what thay had then hit them with a 3rd! game over! do you know anything about football at all???? great tactics stoke and great result. pulis got it spot on
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Dec 23, 2007 18:23:56 GMT
Like it or not the blanket defence is what has helped make an average bunch of players an above average team
Listen to Pulis's comments in his interview
He comments that WB's superior movement ripped Charlton's defence and that players might move...... but the goals don't!
Pulis throws a cordon around the goal and depends on his defence to do their job. Overall you would have to say that the tactic is working even though it isn't pretty to watch at times
Bear in mind that this defence is still fairly new and will get better and better
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Post by tazi on Dec 23, 2007 18:46:50 GMT
Stoke did not sit back as it was more of a case of them bringing on Miller at half time and us putting a couple of players on him in order to stifle that blistering pace of his. This in turn left space in other areas "particularly at right back" but luckily our centre backs had a good understanding of the term positional sense.
Fcukin grieves me when folk suggest that we sat back especially when given the above reason and even more so when West Brom simply had nothing to lose.
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Post by soicowboy on Dec 23, 2007 19:10:40 GMT
So your point is we are tactically inept because we won two difficult games ???
How did Blackpool do yesterday?
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Post by bogus on Dec 23, 2007 20:32:47 GMT
Before you can counter attack, do you not have to first of all defend and draw them on to you?
I thought it worked out wonderfully, acres of space for Ricardo to do what Ricardo does best. At 3-0 the game looked over but we gave them a bit of hope with a soft goal, Simmo should have come for it, IMHO although I haven't seen the replays yet.
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Post by kingdeano on Dec 23, 2007 20:51:01 GMT
bogus the replays show that aswell, simmo came then stopped, bad goalkeeping from hin on that one
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Post by crashbandicoot on Dec 23, 2007 20:57:12 GMT
To be honest i think the baggies were the better team in the 2nd half and played some good football, we didnt sit back they just pressed on more
and simmo maybe should of stayed on his line but he did well to keep it at 3-1 after Corts suicide back pass
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 24, 2007 14:14:58 GMT
PMSL“Before you can counter attack, do you not have to first of all defend and draw them on to you?” Yes but then you have to attack them if possible more than once. “We didn’t sit back they just pressed on more” Hahahahahaha and we created one chance but with 10 men constantly in our own half what else could we expect? “Fcukin grieves me when folk suggest that we sat back especially when given the above reason and even more so when West Brom simply had nothing to lose.” So are you suggesting we didn’t sit back? Did we go for a fourth goal and commit more than 1 player in WBA’s half? The best yet “Albert you come out with the biggest bollocks I’ve ever seen! We were 2 nil up against possibly the best team in the league*, then they bring on Phillips and miller (not a bad bench) what did you honestly expect us to do??/** Before the game any normal person would know that we would have to soak up long periods of pressure this was a quality team FFS!*** We soaked up what they had then hit them with a 3rd! Game over!**** Do you know anything about football at all????***** Great tactics stoke and great result******. Pulis got it spot on”*Or maybe possibly not. **Perhaps attack more and play with more than one player in their half. After all we were 2-0 up and playing at home. ***How much pressure did we have to soak up in the first half and we managed to score twice. ****It wasn’t quite game over though was it, they pulled one back and were close on a number of occasions. *****Obviously more than you. ******Great result great first half tactics. GPG Gouranga.
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Post by tazi on Dec 25, 2007 11:15:07 GMT
Albert for leader for believing that it should simply not happen for teams to push us back.
Stoke sat back blah blah blah blah blah and yet no mention that a team cannot just simply have a go.
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Post by kingdeano on Dec 25, 2007 21:41:23 GMT
pmsl. albert your a prick! if we were 4 up it wouldnt be enough would it? you always want more ffs. 3 nil up against top of the league and you werent happy? grow up you sad pathetic so called fan!
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Post by Rory's Towel Boy on Dec 25, 2007 22:40:54 GMT
So you would have liked us to push harder at 3-0 up for a 4th against one of the best teams in the league and against an attack with Phillips and Miller (with his blistering pace) in it? What we did was very good as we got men around Miller so that he couldnt run anywhere thus steming any chances on goal through him. Personally i'm quite happy with a 3-1 win.
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