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Post by stokielancer on Aug 11, 2008 14:01:57 GMT
With all the hype over zigic it seems like we are a little un-grateful over signing Kitson. But the question is, is Kitson anywhere near as good as the 6ft 7 Serbian and would we have been able to sign Zigic if we had gone for him before spending 5.5m on Kitson?
Id love to know what potential transfer budget were working with.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 11, 2008 14:02:52 GMT
They're certainly not an obvious pairing, are they?
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Post by griffoisalegend on Aug 11, 2008 14:03:02 GMT
No.
I'm sure Pulis would have wanted Kitson and another striker alongside him who's a top player.
Kitson has skill, he's not the average target man.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2008 14:04:08 GMT
You'd have to assume we could afford both. And I think Zigic is a better striker but Kitson is still a top notch purchase. Also we don't know how Zigic would cope in this league, Kitson has showed he is a good player in this league. I honestly think out of the 3 promoted teams Kitson is the best buy.
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Post by stokielancer on Aug 11, 2008 14:04:25 GMT
my thoughts exactly i think that possibley Zigic has been stumbled upon after the Kitson deal and because the money has gone on kitson we simply cant afford him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2008 14:05:37 GMT
my thoughts exactly i think that possibley Zigic has been stumbled upon after the Kitson deal and because the money has gone on kitson we simply cant afford him. But why? We've gone after him a good month (it feels like, apologies if its not) after we signed Kitson. You would have to assume there would be money to get him.
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Post by RAF on Aug 11, 2008 14:06:44 GMT
Kitson 237 games 94 goals Zigic 296 games 194 goals
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Post by griffoisalegend on Aug 11, 2008 14:09:05 GMT
We have plenty of money(Surely), but as ever ,the stumbling block is us trying to get the best deals.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 11, 2008 14:09:10 GMT
How strong's the Serbian top league though, let alone the Serbian lower leagues where he got over 100 of those goals?
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Post by RAF on Aug 11, 2008 14:12:25 GMT
I'll wager better than the 40 goals in 102 games for Oxford.
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Post by knowles on Aug 11, 2008 14:14:13 GMT
I'll wager better than the 40 goals in 102 games for Oxford. H Or Cambridge
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Post by stokielancer on Aug 11, 2008 14:15:35 GMT
It seems that they both have impressive enough goalscoring records. I think the main problem over Kitson, is because i was so wrapped up in our promotion campaign i didnt really pay much attention to the prem last year and cant remember hearing or seeing much of him. My ignorance i suppose!
The other thing is i havent really heard much moaning from the reading fans.(about his departure)
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 11, 2008 14:16:28 GMT
Close. Hard to get a handle on where even the Serbian top league (where he had a phenomenal ratio on paper) would stack up in our league pyramid though. Even Red Star only get crowds of 5,000 - and the average attendance in the league is 2000. You're not going to attract any stars, are you?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 11, 2008 14:17:20 GMT
How strong's the Serbian top league though, let alone the Serbian lower leagues where he got over 100 of those goals? His international goal record's nothing to sniff at Grapey.
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Post by stokielancer on Aug 11, 2008 14:19:51 GMT
Rvd i suppose thats the best way to look at Zigic, his goals are well impressive from what i have seen
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 11, 2008 14:24:10 GMT
11 in 29. Not too shabby, RVD. And he's obviously a good player. His season at Santander showed that. 11 in 32 is bloody good going in La Liga.
But, if you look at his international goals in Euro 2008 qualifying they came against the likes of Kazakhstan (2), Azerbaijan (3) and Armenia - as well as one against Poland.
I'd love him to come, but I think we're possibly building him into something he isn't.
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Post by RAF on Aug 11, 2008 14:24:25 GMT
Cambridge, my apologies, always get those two mixed up.
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Post by stokielancer on Aug 11, 2008 14:26:48 GMT
Why werent the Reading fans to bothered about losing Kitson, is it because we may have paid slightly over the odds for him ? seen as though diouf has only gone for 2.5m
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2008 14:29:00 GMT
Why werent the Reading fans to bothered about losing Kitson, is it because we may have paid slightly over the odds for him ? seen as though diouf has only gone for 2.5m Kitson is a legend at Reading. We did pay over the odds but they still sad to see him go.
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Post by stokielancer on Aug 11, 2008 14:31:09 GMT
So is he better than Doyle?
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 11, 2008 14:32:35 GMT
On their forum, a lot of them were saying they would much rather lose Doyle or Lita than Kitson.
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Post by dazthestokie69 on Aug 11, 2008 14:34:27 GMT
ktson is quality and got a spot on attitude. The giraffe was always gonna get a bit of a gamble
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Post by stokielancer on Aug 11, 2008 14:37:49 GMT
Thats good to here whats the general feeling about Kitson and fuller partnership ? I would imagine Ric cant afford to do his dwinderling back like last year not with stronger competition. I think if Ric works harder as in pressing defenders he could have a good season. But worry about his attitude.
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Post by StokieSideAss on Aug 11, 2008 14:41:08 GMT
I honestly believe Zigic to be in a different league to Kitson. I really wasn't excited with the Kitson signing and I don't think he's going to get more than 6 or 7 goals for us this season.
Zigic will be an absolutely massive signing, hes at one of the best clubs in Spain equal to one of our "big 4" fighting for a 1st team place against one of the best strikers in the world. Kitson played just over a season at the top level for quite a poor team and was fighting for his place against Lita, Doyle and Long.
Not really comparable me thinks
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Post by LH_SCFC on Aug 11, 2008 14:41:25 GMT
Wasn't Kitson the highest scoring English striker in the Premiership just before one of the National Squad selections for a qualifier last season?
No doubt Defoe took over him with his late season form, but to get into double figures in a relegated side isn't too shabby.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 11, 2008 14:43:05 GMT
I honestly believe Zigic to be in a different league to Kitson. I really wasn't excited with the Kitson signing and I don't think he's going to get more than 6 or 7 goals for us this season. Zigic will be an absolutely massive signing, hes at one of the best clubs in Spain equal to one of our "big 4" fighting for a 1st team place against one of the best strikers in the world. Kitson played just over a season at the top level for quite a poor team and was fighting for his place against Lita, Doyle and Long. Not really comparable me thinks True - but fighting very unsuccessfully for a place at Valencia, behind some admittedly great players. 1 league goal last season, and only 3 league starts. Kitson's record last season is almost exactly comparable with Zigic's one season in a 'proper' high-standard league at Racing Santander.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Aug 11, 2008 14:47:34 GMT
Its nothing to do with money, lets face it, we've got shit loads of the stuff. I dare say that PC hasnt actually paid ANYTHING out of his own pocket yet, with the sale of players last year and obviously promotion.
This is to do with Stoke not being able to tie up any deals that make public news.
The moral of the story - If Stoke are linked with a player, and we havnt signed him within 3 days, he aint coming.
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Post by stokielancer on Aug 11, 2008 14:50:13 GMT
I just hope we make a go of it and im sure we will. Im sick of all the negative comments and its also doing my head in that everytime we seem to go for a player the likes of WBA and Hull are like parasites its pathetic. I think we will get a couple in but it would have been nice to see them gel a little before Bolton. Cant wait!!!!!!! all my life ive waited for this WE HAVE TO COMPETE.
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Post by StokieSideAss on Aug 11, 2008 14:58:47 GMT
I honestly believe Zigic to be in a different league to Kitson. I really wasn't excited with the Kitson signing and I don't think he's going to get more than 6 or 7 goals for us this season. Zigic will be an absolutely massive signing, hes at one of the best clubs in Spain equal to one of our "big 4" fighting for a 1st team place against one of the best strikers in the world. Kitson played just over a season at the top level for quite a poor team and was fighting for his place against Lita, Doyle and Long. Not really comparable me thinks True - but fighting very unsuccessfully for a place at Valencia, behind some admittedly great players. 1 league goal last season, and only 3 league starts. Kitson's record last season is almost exactly comparable with Zigic's one season in a 'proper' high-standard league at Racing Santander. True - but Zigic's good season impressed enough to get a massive European club to spend 20 million euros on him, and even after he had a poor season there are still clubs with European football interested in signing him. FM - do you think Kitson is a better striker than Zigic (on ability alone)
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 11, 2008 15:04:43 GMT
I really haven't got a clue, SSA. I've never seen Zigic play, to be honest. He looks good on youtube, but I could make a compilation that made Mama look like Thierry Henry on there ;D I remember that Maltese bloke last year looking like Ruud van Nistelrooy on there. But he's only had one good season in a league that'd be considered to be in the best 15 leagues in the world, hasn't he? And he did about as well as Kitson did, so you'd have to say they both did very well in their one shot at the big time. He got about as much of a chance at Valencia last season as Periwinkle did here, so hard to know what of make of that - but he was behind David Villa in the pecking order, not Mama Sidibe And they've both been prolific at a lower standard. Seems pretty hard to compare them? But you'd have to say even the top Serbian league is probably nowhere near Championship standard, so what weight you give to his pre-2006 career is anyone's guess. His sheer weight of goals at Belgrade attracted links with lots of big boys, but it's maybe significant that only a relative minnow was willing to gamble on him at that stage.
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