Spud
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Post by Spud on Jul 22, 2008 18:50:38 GMT
Is on it arse up here, The place where I work have told me that I am being laid off due to lack of work. Not that I didn't see it coming, just the other day I was on a site where they have stopped building half way through the build because they cant keep the men on due to the lack of interest. Just wondering what the situation is like down in Stoke because its dire here and if any of you have been laid off like I have.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 22, 2008 18:55:19 GMT
My dad's an independent builder and he's alright, just cause he does minor jobs for the same regular customers like small extensions and such.
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Post by Maccca100 on Jul 22, 2008 18:58:14 GMT
I do curtain wall fixing in Manchester and i got work until 2012 so bloody brilliant im afraid mate.. The housing market is taking a slump but the commercial sector is not
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Post by vote for pedro on Jul 22, 2008 18:58:50 GMT
i've been looking to get away from my current job as a machine driver for jcb, they are laying loads off. but there aint any machine driving jobs either due to the lack of building going on hopefully it'll pick up again in a few months *fingerscrossedsmiley*
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Post by Spud on Jul 22, 2008 19:00:45 GMT
I worked for a fairly large company, it seems that the bigger building firms are having to get rid of people, I'm stumped for another construction job so I'm going to look elsewhere career wise.
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Post by n01stokie on Jul 22, 2008 19:03:38 GMT
to be honest mate house building is fucked, and things will not improve for months, the commercial side of building has been effected but not seriously and probably won't! I was made redundant last month working in house building, however i have found work again in the commercial sector and get back to work on Monday (at last!) work is out there however speaking to mates in the trade the best advise would be to cut your loses and take a year or two out of the trade!
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Post by vote for pedro on Jul 22, 2008 19:04:49 GMT
who did you work for? persimmon? barrats? westbury? bellway? wimpy?
i know most of the bigger firms are laying off
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Spud
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Post by Spud on Jul 22, 2008 19:09:38 GMT
E smith and Son, they mainly take on work for the council and independent large scale jobs.
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Post by n01stokie on Jul 22, 2008 19:09:38 GMT
i worked for a civil engineering company we did alot of subby work for redrow and wimpy, so when they started laying off my company started laying off!
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Post by Spud on Jul 22, 2008 19:10:49 GMT
I have noticed that the local council have started laying people off aswell.
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Post by vote for pedro on Jul 22, 2008 19:13:10 GMT
its a right bastard getting laid off, last time i had to work in yates in hanley there's plenty of work out there, its just finding it i suppose
what trade are you? have you thought about going self employed and odd jobbing for a few months?
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Post by n01stokie on Jul 22, 2008 19:13:39 GMT
I have noticed that the local council have started laying people off aswell. just shows hows bad things are!
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Post by Spud on Jul 22, 2008 19:16:42 GMT
Was a joiner, although I am at college doing joinery 2 days and working as a joiner 3 days it was good as I was getting the knowledge and the experience. I think I'm going to change my career path though the only careers I'm interested in are Rail,Air or the sea.
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Post by frasier37 on Jul 22, 2008 19:18:22 GMT
This is just the tip of the iceberg mate. Be a couple of years before it turns around. Just like the 80's, only this time it's worse, the countries got no fcukin money left. Try to get in with a small builders to ride it out. Good luck
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Post by Spud on Jul 22, 2008 19:18:51 GMT
I have noticed that the local council have started laying people off aswell. just shows hows bad things are! Most of the councils are taking on private contractors so the council workers are being put out of a job.
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Post by vote for pedro on Jul 22, 2008 19:21:02 GMT
personally, i'd stick with the joinery. i wish i had stuck at the trades i tried (tried joinery, bricklaying and srarking) didnt like any so started driving the diggers dumpers and loadalls try something else but stay at college, things will get better you could even try bench joinery for a while couldn't you?
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Post by n01stokie on Jul 22, 2008 19:24:34 GMT
i would keep with college at least! many people are leaving the industry, eventually when it does turn around there will be a shortage of skilled workers so if your a qualified joiner you will be rolling in the money!
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Post by Spud on Jul 22, 2008 19:26:27 GMT
personally, i'd stick with the joinery. i wish i had stuck at the trades i tried (tried joinery, bricklaying and srarking) didnt like any so started driving the diggers dumpers and loadalls try something else but stay at college, things will get better you could even try bench joinery for a while couldn't you? I'm going out of my mind trying to get an Apprenticeship and when I go to the job center I'm asking them and they tell me that no employers want Apprentices and that they want cheap labor, Ive been at it for a year or so and it seems to be getting worse.
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Post by n01stokie on Jul 22, 2008 19:28:35 GMT
personally, i'd stick with the joinery. i wish i had stuck at the trades i tried (tried joinery, bricklaying and srarking) didnt like any so started driving the diggers dumpers and loadalls try something else but stay at college, things will get better you could even try bench joinery for a while couldn't you? I'm going out of my mind trying to get an Apprenticeship and when I go to the job center I'm asking them and they tell me that no employers want Apprentices and that they want cheap labor, Ive been at it for a year or so and it seems to be getting worse. just ride it out mate get a job as a labourer and gain the extra experience, and keepat your college course!!
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jul 22, 2008 19:39:17 GMT
just shows hows bad things are! Most of the councils are taking on private contractors so the council workers are being put out of a job. Thats what they get for going on Strike and demanding big wage increases when the rest of the country is suffering and guys like you are losing their jobs. Stick with the college training if you can mate. A decent Chippy will always find work.
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Post by Spud on Jul 22, 2008 19:40:09 GMT
Thing is, at college there not very encouraging they say that the reason were on the course is because we failed to get an apprenticeship and the course were on means nothing if we don't have an apprenticeship. thats all well and good if there were any apprenticeships being offered.
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Post by n01stokie on Jul 22, 2008 19:43:40 GMT
fuck what the college say, employers will realise the situation you are in and continuing the course shows a good work ethic and shows you still want to improve yoyrself despite what is going on in the industry
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Post by kkkkken on Jul 22, 2008 19:47:23 GMT
Spud it would be a shame if you did give the joinery up .You cannot beat having a trade and if you apply yourself to it you will not regret it ,especially when it picks back up again and it will .
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Post by Spud on Jul 22, 2008 19:50:26 GMT
Cheers lads for giving me some encouragement that there is a reason to stick with college you never know it could be a good idea.
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Post by n01stokie on Jul 22, 2008 19:50:27 GMT
also there are always oppertunities to make a bit of extra cash with foreigners
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2008 20:34:17 GMT
The construction trade, unfortunately, is on its arse.
The big resi land bankers such as Taylor Woodrow and Barrats have laid off a lot of staff. The majority of housing developments are on hold.
These guys usually have a land bank of circa 3 years, which basically means that they have enough land to build on for three years. This land bank now stands at 10 years because they just are not developing.
2009 will be much worse with an upturn in the market expected in the 4th quarter of that year. The biggest problem they have is that 18 months ago there were 6500 mortgage products on the market - there are now 650. People just cannot find suitable lending terms.
Commercially (which is all I do) in Stoke-on-Trent, capital values are static with only a slight dip in rental levels - which has been primarily borne out of the abolishment of empty property rates relief. The biggest issue we have at the moment is a yeild shift, which Savills report to be 1% - which has seen Capitals Values overtake investment values i.e. an tenated building is worth less than a vacant one. The market cannot sustain this and as such capital values will have to drop.
In terms of commercial developments St Modwens are quoting £7per sq ft on rental terms for any design and build requirements on Trentham Lakes! This is £2 per sq ft above market level and as such is a strong indicator that they are not prepared to build at the moment.
Gladman Developments who built the large sheds on Lymedale are not building at all at the moment and CBRE investors and Helioslough who have a vacant 400,000 sq ft building on Lymedale are fucking shitting themselves!
Other than that existing stock is moving well and hopefully will continue to do so.
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Post by jonesinamillion on Jul 22, 2008 23:31:23 GMT
Worst of it is, the building trade is traditionaly taken as an early warning system for the whole ecconomy's stability - we're all doomed!
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Post by n01stokie on Jul 23, 2008 11:15:58 GMT
were fucked!
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Post by stokecity4eva on Jul 23, 2008 11:35:47 GMT
how about looking for a joinery job or something similar in another country and emigrating for a few years until the economy gets up of its arse again over here, theres plenty of countries looking for skilled workers and you never know you may enjoy it that much that you dont want come back.
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Post by skip on Jul 23, 2008 11:49:41 GMT
how about looking for a joinery job or something similar in another country and emigrating for a few years until the economy gets up of its arse again over here, theres plenty of countries looking for skilled workers and you never know you may enjoy it that much that you dont want come back. Just like wot the Poles did.
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