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Post by danny05112 on Jul 17, 2008 12:55:25 GMT
No Longer after Carson!!!!
Better get bloody Fulop in now!!
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Post by markscfc72 on Jul 17, 2008 12:56:31 GMT
Club Statement Posted on: Thu 17 Jul 2008
Stoke City can announce that we are no longer pursuing Liverpool goalkeeper Scott Carson.
The club will continue to look to improve the squad and remain hopeful of closing in on several new signings ahead of the Barclays Premier League campaign.
i hope they mis spelt 'seven'
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Post by stokemark on Jul 17, 2008 13:03:03 GMT
I have to say that the word 'hopeful' hardly inspires does it ?
Im 'hopeful' that Ill bump into Danny Minogue and she'll suck me dry before teatime but its highly unlikely.
OH shit - Im beginning to panic !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jul 17, 2008 13:04:33 GMT
As mentioned on here several times...
what's up with Nash and Simonsen
then spend the available cash on outfield players FFS
I thought Nash did very well in his short spell with us, seemed to enjoy the club spirit and also probably got us auto promotion with that unbelievable save against Leicester in the final game.
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Post by Stokie in Geordieland on Jul 17, 2008 13:05:46 GMT
Finally the offical site posts something interesting! Just a shame its not the kind of news we want to here!!!
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Post by PONTAFCE on Jul 17, 2008 13:06:24 GMT
I thought nash did well also but i dont know how he would be in the prem but by the looks of things we could see very shortly.
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Post by markscfc72 on Jul 17, 2008 13:07:00 GMT
As mentioned on here several times... what's up with Nash and Simonsen then spend the available cash on outfield players FFS I thought Nash did very well in his short spell with us, seemed to enjoy the club spirit and also probably got us auto promotion with that unbelievable save against Leicester in the final game. because pulis must feel fulop is better than nash
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jul 17, 2008 13:10:33 GMT
He probably thinks that Drogba is better than Kitson, but that doesn't mean we're going to sign him
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Post by Stokie in Geordieland on Jul 17, 2008 13:11:31 GMT
I think Nash for 300k, plus Simmo would be fine. That's what i would have gone with from the start to be honest, then spent the money on other areas. I feel its unlikely that this is going to happen though. So lets just get it over and done with and spend a lot of money on a keeper. Anything over 2.5million is too much for Fulop though IMO. But I just want us to make a decent signing so lets just do it.
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Post by StokieLee on Jul 17, 2008 13:13:49 GMT
Fullop or Nash is a-ok with me!
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Post by salifdiao on Jul 17, 2008 13:16:03 GMT
Nash and Simmo would do fine for me in our first season in the prem and use the 4 mill to spend on paying better salaries to players so they dont tell us to fook off.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 17, 2008 13:17:21 GMT
Both Nash and Simmo have failed to make it in the Prem before. Both would provide good back up.
We need a good keeper ASAP. Carson would have been ideal but what can you do?**
**Other than offer the going rate in wages for this type of player.
As per usual we are doing things on the cheap. It's no good Stoke City coming out with 'we want the Premiership' statements and then moaning about wage demands.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2008 13:20:39 GMT
Carson's only had 2 years in league football - one good season at Charlton, adn one bad season at Villa.
And Fulop, I think, has only played one game in the Prem.
Are either more proven than Nash - who the PNE fans were hailing as their best keeper of modern times over a number of years?
It'd be nice to have a big name to help us with our profile, but I suppose it's all about balance?
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 17, 2008 13:28:02 GMT
West Ham's Icelandic owners are said to be under financial pressure from the bank, with keeper Robert Green, who is yet to agree a new deal, The Daily Mail. Would he be too expensive? We could also try for Craig Bellamy again!
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Post by baggiejp on Jul 17, 2008 13:32:31 GMT
Carson hardly had a bad season at Villa..couple of high profile mistakes that's all. I honestly don't think Nash will be good enough for the premier league, but Fulop I think will be better. Dunno why, just a feeling.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2008 13:32:51 GMT
Nash is an good keeper but not good enough for the Prem.
Unfortunately shot stopping will be the name of the game for our keeper next year - of which there is not many better than Simmo, its just a pity he's wank with crosses!!
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Post by ashbournepotter on Jul 17, 2008 13:33:05 GMT
so, that's effectively freed up £2million in transfer fees - hopefully coates will chuck that money into paying higher wages
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 17, 2008 13:36:49 GMT
so, that's effectively freed up £2million in transfer fees - hopefully coates will chuck that money into paying higher wages yeah and pigs might fly. Peter Coates has never and will never pay top dollar wages.
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Post by ashbournepotter on Jul 17, 2008 13:38:02 GMT
so, that's effectively freed up £2million in transfer fees - hopefully coates will chuck that money into paying higher wages yeah and pigs might fly. Peter Coates has never and will never pay top dollar wages. yeh, guess i was getting a little ahead of myself there...
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2008 13:39:13 GMT
Carson hardly had a bad season at Villa..couple of high profile mistakes that's all. I honestly don't think Nash will be good enough for the premier league, but Fulop I think will be better. Dunno why, just a feeling. Have you read the Villa forums on him? www.villatalk.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=40245www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2362/70/If we signed him, I'd obviously back him and be consoled by the fact that he'd raise our profile and maybe help other higher-profile players to give us more of a thought, and also the fact that clearly someone at Liverpool thought, as a teenager, he had the raw material to develop into a very good keeper. But it's a massive gamble at that kind of outlay. We're not talking about a sure thing solid Premier keeper like Jaaskelainen or Friedel, or even Schwarzer or Green with years of solid Premier League performances under their belt, but a 22-yr old who's played 2 seasons (and admittedly apparently done well for one of them at Charlton) Looking at the various Villa forums, I was absolutely staggered at the almost universally awful reviews they gave him. Whether it's solely down to confidence or not, who knows? If he will ever fully recover from the Croatia thing, who knows? Wil he ever become the keeper the Liverpool scouts though he could, who knows? 4-yr deals at 25-30k make it a bit of a risk. I'll be interested to see how he does at WBA, Blackburn or wherever. But I think we're better off out of it at £4m + telephone number wages, when our kitty is so limited and with so many oher holes to fill.
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Post by stokelad85 on Jul 17, 2008 13:40:42 GMT
Carson hardly had a bad season at Villa..couple of high profile mistakes that's all. I honestly don't think Nash will be good enough for the premier league, but Fulop I think will be better. Dunno why, just a feeling. Have you read the Villa forums on him? www.villatalk.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=40245www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2362/70/If we signed him, I'd obviously back him and be consoled by the fact that he'd raise our profile and maybe help other higher-profile players to give us more of a thought, and also the fact that clearly someone at Liverpool thought, as a teenager, he had the raw material to develop into a very good keeper. But it's a massive gamble at that kind of outlay. We're not talking about a sure thing solid Premier keeper like Jaaskelainen or Friedel, or even Schwarzer or Green with years of solid Premier League performances under their belt, but a 22-yr old with only 2 seasons of league football under his belt. Looking at the various Villa forums, I was absolutely staggered at the almost universally awful reviews they gave him. Whether it's solely down to confidence or not, who knows? If he will ever fully recover from the Croatia thing, who knows? Wil he ever become the keeper the Liverpool scouts though he could, who knows? 4-yr deals at 25-30k make it a bit of a risk. Welcome to the Premiership, all deals will have risks from now on.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2008 13:42:53 GMT
But there's acceptable risk and unacceptable risk. Personally, I'm glad we're not taking on the kind of risk we'd be accepting with that kind of colossal deal for Carson.
We aren't the richest team in the Prem, and he's not the surest thing we could get for that £££ IMO.
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Post by stokemark on Jul 17, 2008 13:53:03 GMT
Comes back to the old chestnut 'if we spend it on better prospects'
If we dont spend it at all then thats NOT better
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jul 17, 2008 14:03:24 GMT
Correct FM
no big deal in my opinion
spend the money(?) on outfield players.
As a matter of interest, neither Fulop or Carson are "proven" in the Prem, so Nash and Simmo will be fine imo
Beggars can't be choosers
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Post by baggiejp on Jul 17, 2008 14:06:45 GMT
Carson hardly had a bad season at Villa..couple of high profile mistakes that's all. I honestly don't think Nash will be good enough for the premier league, but Fulop I think will be better. Dunno why, just a feeling. Have you read the Villa forums on him? www.villatalk.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=40245www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2362/70/If we signed him, I'd obviously back him and be consoled by the fact that he'd raise our profile and maybe help other higher-profile players to give us more of a thought, and also the fact that clearly someone at Liverpool thought, as a teenager, he had the raw material to develop into a very good keeper. But it's a massive gamble at that kind of outlay. We're not talking about a sure thing solid Premier keeper like Jaaskelainen or Friedel, or even Schwarzer or Green with years of solid Premier League performances under their belt, but a 22-yr old who's played 2 seasons (and admittedly apparently done well for one of them at Charlton) Looking at the various Villa forums, I was absolutely staggered at the almost universally awful reviews they gave him. Whether it's solely down to confidence or not, who knows? If he will ever fully recover from the Croatia thing, who knows? Wil he ever become the keeper the Liverpool scouts though he could, who knows? 4-yr deals at 25-30k make it a bit of a risk. I'll be interested to see how he does at WBA, Blackburn or wherever. But I think we're better off out of it at £4m + telephone number wages, when our kitty is so limited and with so many oher holes to fill. I saw enough Villa games last season to know he wasn't awful. You have to remember Villa have had Sorensen in goal for a long time, and he was by all accounts a very good keeper. If he was so awful, why were VIlla keen to sign him permanently, until Liverpool named £10m as their price?
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Post by Dr Oetcake on Jul 17, 2008 14:06:53 GMT
especially if we play both of them at the same time.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2008 14:13:05 GMT
I saw enough Villa games last season to know he wasn't awful. You have to remember Villa have had Sorensen in goal for a long time, and he was by all accounts a very good keeper. If he was so awful, why were VIlla keen to sign him permanently, until Liverpool named £10m as their price? I don't think MON's ever been keen, to be fair. He's not going to be critical in public, is he? He's clearly not 'awful' in that sense and he's probably potentially very good - but I think a lot of keepers are , broadly speaking, much of a muchness, once they're at a certain level. Even in the Premier League, I don't think a seasoned and very competent keeper like Carlo Nash, for example, would stink the place out and be very noticeably out of his depth, as he'd be able to do 95% of things very competently. I don't think Carson's done enough to mark himself out from the crowd and justify the kind of disproportionate outlay it looks like it'd take to get him. If we could guarantee he'd be consistently above-average and effectively win us points we wouldn't get with a 'lesser' name, then fair enough. But the jury's out, surely?
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Post by stokecityfc08 on Jul 17, 2008 14:16:51 GMT
Have you read the Villa forums on him? www.villatalk.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=40245www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2362/70/If we signed him, I'd obviously back him and be consoled by the fact that he'd raise our profile and maybe help other higher-profile players to give us more of a thought, and also the fact that clearly someone at Liverpool thought, as a teenager, he had the raw material to develop into a very good keeper. But it's a massive gamble at that kind of outlay. We're not talking about a sure thing solid Premier keeper like Jaaskelainen or Friedel, or even Schwarzer or Green with years of solid Premier League performances under their belt, but a 22-yr old who's played 2 seasons (and admittedly apparently done well for one of them at Charlton) Looking at the various Villa forums, I was absolutely staggered at the almost universally awful reviews they gave him. Whether it's solely down to confidence or not, who knows? If he will ever fully recover from the Croatia thing, who knows? Wil he ever become the keeper the Liverpool scouts though he could, who knows? 4-yr deals at 25-30k make it a bit of a risk. I'll be interested to see how he does at WBA, Blackburn or wherever. But I think we're better off out of it at £4m + telephone number wages, when our kitty is so limited and with so many oher holes to fill. I saw enough Villa games last season to know he wasn't awful. You have to remember Villa have had Sorensen in goal for a long time, and he was by all accounts a very good keeper. If he was so awful, why were VIlla keen to sign him permanently, until Liverpool named £10m as their price? Agree, I saw over 10 games with Villa last season, and will say Carson is as good as any goalkeeper from the UK. It'll be a long time before we're so close to have a current England international in our team.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jul 17, 2008 14:19:20 GMT
Added to that his nightmare at Wembley.
That could have done irrepairable damage to the lad.
Keepers are sometimes fragile creatures and it could take a couple of years to get that out of his system.
He's only young don't forget.
One bad game early doors and that could have been it.
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Post by r10ryx on Jul 17, 2008 14:48:02 GMT
The club need to realise that higher demands are gonna have to be paid....
And players are gonna have to start thinkin whether they want first team or money
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