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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 12, 2008 20:36:08 GMT
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Post by powchirper on Jul 12, 2008 20:45:50 GMT
Where's Serpico tonight by the way.  |
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Post by serpico on Jul 12, 2008 21:23:51 GMT
Where's Serpico tonight by the way. Not to worry, I'm here. They could have at least photo shopped some nuclear war heads in there for 'WhyDelilahs' sake, then he could at least base some of his inaccurate claims on something  Seriously, Iran is no threat to us, maybe Israel, but not us, but IF the US or Israel attack them they can cause a hell of a lot of problems in that region using proxies like Hezbollah, and they do have the capability to target US and UK troops based in Iraq, make no bones about it, if they're attacked preemptively by Israel or the US they will retaliate and probably set US army bases in Iraq on fire and would launch missiles into Israel too. Economically it would be disastrous to start a war with Iran as well, oil would sky rocket to well over $300 a barrel, in reality there will be no attack on Iran, the only problem is the current incumbents of the white house are most certainly NOT based in reality, so it's possible. |
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Post by curacao on Jul 12, 2008 21:29:38 GMT
I believe a strike on Iran will happen, before Uranium enrichment is completed, because states like Israel cannot afford to have a potential enemy with a nuclear force, they will just go in there and crush their government, so my money's on an Israeli lead strike  |
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Post by serpico on Jul 12, 2008 21:44:05 GMT
I believe a strike on Iran will happen, before Uranium enrichment is completed, because states like Israel cannot afford to have a potential enemy with a nuclear force, they will just go in there and crush their government, so my money's on an Israeli lead strike You can't just bomb someone because you think they're making nuclear weapons, thats neo-conservative logic, there is no proof that Iran is doing anything Illegal, they're currently under IAEA safeguards and would have to kick out the IAEA inspectors currently over seeing there nuclear program and then also withdraw from the non proliferation treaty (to which Iran is and Israel is not a signatory, they have 300-400 nuclear weapons) to even begin a nuclear weapons program, they still haven't mastered enriching uranium to over 3% yet, it needs to be over 90% for use in a nuclear weapon, add to the fact that all 16 US intelligence agencies released there NIE on Iran back in November 2007 saying that they halted whatever weapons program they had over 5 years ago. It would probably take Iran till, at earliest, mid next decade before they had enriched uranium to weapons grade levels, thats if they will ever reach it, the Iranians are hopeless at mastering nuclear power, let alone nuclear weapons. But lets forget the facts, i agree, i think Israel could well start the bombing and then when Iran responds, which they have every right to do, the US will step in and use mini nukes on Iran to brake there back bone, after that who knows where it will go, all completely unnecessary, due to the facts I've just stated above. We can only hope Israel or the US doesn't bomb Iran, it would be disasterous and make the Iraq war look like the cake walk many chicken hawk warmongering neo-cons claimed it would be. |
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Post by curacao on Jul 12, 2008 21:51:11 GMT
I believe a strike on Iran will happen, before Uranium enrichment is completed, because states like Israel cannot afford to have a potential enemy with a nuclear force, they will just go in there and crush their government, so my money's on an Israeli lead strike You can't just bomb someone because you think they're making nuclear weapons, thats neo-conservative logic, there is no proof that Iran is doing anything Illegal, they're currently under IAEA safeguards and would have to kick out the IAEA inspectors currently over seeing there nuclear program and then also withdraw from the non proliferation treaty to even begin a nuclear weapons program, they still haven't mastered enriching uranium to over 3% yet, it needs to be over 90% for use in a nuclear weapon, add to the fact that all 16 US intelligence agencies released there NIE on Iran back in November 2007 saying that they halted whatever weapons program they had over 5 years ago. It would probably take Iran till, at earliest, mid next decade before they had enriched uranium to weapons grade levels, thats if they will ever reach it, the Iranians are hopeless at mastering nuclear power, let alone nuclear weapons. But lets forget the facts, i agree, i think Israel could well start the bombing and then when Iran responds, which they have every right to do, the US will step in and use mini nukes on Iran to brake there back bone, after that who knows where it will go, all completely unnecessary, due to the facts I've just stated above. We can only hope Israel or the US doesn't bomb Iran, it would be disasterous and make the Iraq war look like the cake walk many chicken hawk warmongering neo-cons claimed it would be. I agree, the facts are there, but it has never stopped them before Its like the war in Iraq, there has been no proof of 'weapons of mass destruction' in Iraq at all The missile strikes will be nothing to a US base, they will just set up Anti missile systems there to counter the missiles So all the world is waiting for is Israeli patience to run out, then the bloodshed will begin |
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Post by serpico on Jul 12, 2008 22:00:51 GMT
You can't just bomb someone because you think they're making nuclear weapons, thats neo-conservative logic, there is no proof that Iran is doing anything Illegal, they're currently under IAEA safeguards and would have to kick out the IAEA inspectors currently over seeing there nuclear program and then also withdraw from the non proliferation treaty to even begin a nuclear weapons program, they still haven't mastered enriching uranium to over 3% yet, it needs to be over 90% for use in a nuclear weapon, add to the fact that all 16 US intelligence agencies released there NIE on Iran back in November 2007 saying that they halted whatever weapons program they had over 5 years ago. It would probably take Iran till, at earliest, mid next decade before they had enriched uranium to weapons grade levels, thats if they will ever reach it, the Iranians are hopeless at mastering nuclear power, let alone nuclear weapons. But lets forget the facts, i agree, i think Israel could well start the bombing and then when Iran responds, which they have every right to do, the US will step in and use mini nukes on Iran to brake there back bone, after that who knows where it will go, all completely unnecessary, due to the facts I've just stated above. We can only hope Israel or the US doesn't bomb Iran, it would be disasterous and make the Iraq war look like the cake walk many chicken hawk warmongering neo-cons claimed it would be. I agree, the facts are there, but it has never stopped them before Its like the war in Iraq, there has been no proof of 'weapons of mass destruction' in Iraq at all The missile strikes will be nothing to a US base, they will just set up Anti missile systems there to counter the missiles So all the world is waiting for is Israeli patience to run out, then the bloodshed will begin Iran probably has sleeper cells in Iraq ready to act should they be attacks, the US won't be able to defend against everything, things could become very unpredictable, they can shut off the supply line into Iraq and potentially take all 160 thousand + US troops hostage. The Ironic thing is, the current US quisling government in Iraq is allied with the current Iranian government, it's possible that the Makli government could turn on there puppet masters and side with Iran should Iran be preemptively attacked by the US, the Maliki government is starting to make some noises about the US having a time table for withdrawal, so it's not beyond possibility that they would side with Iran. Iran COULD also have sleeper cells set up in europe, who will also be activated after any attack was carried out on them, so potentially if bomb are dropped on Iran they could also start going off in major cities over here, we just don't know, and given that Iran has done little wrong i don't want to find out what they're response would be. |
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Post by tazi on Jul 12, 2008 22:37:32 GMT
If there was another war then what are the chances of Eddie Stobbart going bust?.
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Post by serpico on Jul 12, 2008 22:58:41 GMT
A war on Iran could potentially bring about a world wide economic collapse, Iran have said in response to an attacks they would shut down the straight of hormuz, where much of the worlds oil passes through, so oil prices would spiral, probably topping $300 or more a barrel, .... it doesn;t really bare thinking about, as i said, i don't think they will do it due to the disastrous consequences it wold have, but you aslo have to take into consideration that Bush and in particular vice president Dick Cheney are no longer based in reality, they're dangerously deluded people, also almost everything the Bush admin has done has turned out to be a complete and utter failure, they might decide to take a sledge hammer to the system and just go for broke with an all or nothing gamble by hitting Iran.
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Post by chellster on Jul 13, 2008 18:31:31 GMT
Bloody hell. Interesting stuff.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jul 14, 2008 13:21:24 GMT
"Bush and in particular vice president Dick Cheney are no longer based in reality"
What do you mean, no longer? Are you suggesting they ever have been?
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Post by serpico on Jul 14, 2008 13:59:14 GMT
"Bush and in particular vice president Dick Cheney are no longer based in reality" What do you mean, no longer? Are you suggesting they ever have been? Thats a fair point, but at one time of day both men were indeed based in reality, or at least publicly - [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOrndfUQ-W4&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b [/youtube] |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 14, 2008 14:02:41 GMT
You can't just bomb someone because you think they're making nuclear weapons, thats neo-conservative logic, there is no proof that Iran is doing anything Illegal, they're currently under IAEA safeguards and would have to kick out the IAEA inspectors currently over seeing there nuclear program and then also withdraw from the non proliferation treaty to even begin a nuclear weapons program, they still haven't mastered enriching uranium to over 3% yet, it needs to be over 90% for use in a nuclear weapon, add to the fact that all 16 US intelligence agencies released there NIE on Iran back in November 2007 saying that they halted whatever weapons program they had over 5 years ago. It would probably take Iran till, at earliest, mid next decade before they had enriched uranium to weapons grade levels, thats if they will ever reach it, the Iranians are hopeless at mastering nuclear power, let alone nuclear weapons. But lets forget the facts, i agree, i think Israel could well start the bombing and then when Iran responds, which they have every right to do, the US will step in and use mini nukes on Iran to brake there back bone, after that who knows where it will go, all completely unnecessary, due to the facts I've just stated above. We can only hope Israel or the US doesn't bomb Iran, it would be disasterous and make the Iraq war look like the cake walk many chicken hawk warmongering neo-cons claimed it would be. I agree, the facts are there, but it has never stopped them before Its like the war in Iraq, there has been no proof of 'weapons of mass destruction' in Iraq at all The missile strikes will be nothing to a US base, they will just set up Anti missile systems there to counter the missiles So all the world is waiting for is Israeli patience to run out, then the bloodshed will begin For a 16 year old that's impressive curacoa..well argued point Have some karma |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 14, 2008 14:11:38 GMT
A war on Iran could potentially bring about a world wide economic collapse, Iran have said in response to an attacks they would shut down the straight of hormuz, where much of the worlds oil passes through, so oil prices would spiral, probably topping $300 or more a barrel, .... it doesn;t really bare thinking about, as i said, i don't think they will do it due to the disastrous consequences it wold have, but you aslo have to take into consideration that Bush and in particular vice president Dick Cheney are no longer based in reality, they're dangerously deluded people, also almost everything the Bush admin has done has turned out to be a complete and utter failure, they might decide to take a sledge hammer to the system and just go for broke with an all or nothing gamble by hitting Iran. Interesting post Serpico The reality though is that whilst war is being raged..both/all sides usually continue to trade..financially..world financial markets will continue to operate.. There are also many instances where 2 countries fighting a war against each other, are actually supplying arms to the opposing side..crazy but true Oil is already at an all time high and any further 'disturbances' in the Middle-East will increase the price even higher...which will mean even greater profits for the huge Multi-National Oil Corporations..many USA owned Plus ca change Serpico...the more thing appear to change..the more they essentially remain the same  |
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Post by serpico on Jul 14, 2008 15:05:48 GMT
A war on Iran could potentially bring about a world wide economic collapse, Iran have said in response to an attacks they would shut down the straight of hormuz, where much of the worlds oil passes through, so oil prices would spiral, probably topping $300 or more a barrel, .... it doesn;t really bare thinking about, as i said, i don't think they will do it due to the disastrous consequences it wold have, but you aslo have to take into consideration that Bush and in particular vice president Dick Cheney are no longer based in reality, they're dangerously deluded people, also almost everything the Bush admin has done has turned out to be a complete and utter failure, they might decide to take a sledge hammer to the system and just go for broke with an all or nothing gamble by hitting Iran. Interesting post Serpico The reality though is that whilst war is being raged..both/all sides usually continue to trade..financially..world financial markets will continue to operate.. There are also many instances where 2 countries fighting a war against each other, are actually supplying arms to the opposing side..crazy but true Oil is already at an all time high and any further 'disturbances' in the Middle-East will increase the price even higher...which will mean even greater profits for the huge Multi-National Oil Corporations..many USA owned Plus ca change Serpico...the more thing appear to change..the more they essentially remain the same Then there is the possibility that the US and Iran are giving a nod and a wink to each other with all this bluster, pushing up oil prices may not benefit us but it does benefit some people , you don't have to be a genius to figure out who. |
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