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Post by algor on Jul 9, 2008 21:01:53 GMT
Iran test Missiles capable of reaching Israel.. Oh Dear, here we go
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Post by serpico on Jul 9, 2008 21:13:01 GMT
Nothing illegal about that, Israel carried out a series of war games a few weeks back, i didn't see anyone outraged about that, all i heard was "Israel has the right to defend itself", Iran test fires some missiles, amidst a plethora of threats from the US and Israel, and all of a sudden everyones outraged, even though Iran, unlike Israel, has no nuclear weapons and is a signatory to the non proliferation treaty, and currently has IAEA inspectors over seeing there nuclear power program. /sits back and watches karma slowly diminish
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Post by algor on Jul 9, 2008 21:23:25 GMT
There will be no Karma attack from me and I did not suggest that it was illegal. My concern is that it will move us closer to a larger war in the middle east
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Post by stokey-pokey pudding and pie on Jul 9, 2008 21:23:43 GMT
or up a little.
well put
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Post by serpico on Jul 9, 2008 21:33:55 GMT
There will be no Karma attack from me and I did not suggest that it was illegal. My concern is that it will move us closer to a larger war in the middle east No doubt about it, the neo-con warmongers are frothing at the mouth at the prospect of widening the war to Iran, they've had a flotilla of war ships off the coast of Iran for a long time now trying to force Iran into doing something silly and to then use it as a justification to hit Iran, also the US government has been carrying out covert operations inside Iran for around 3 years now, these operations include aiding terror groups to carry out attacks inside Iran to destabalise the Iranian government, and some of these groups, (Jundullah/Pjak/mujahdeen E Khalk) are actually linked to al qeada , 7 years after the 9/11 attacks the US government is funding groups linked with the people who carried out the attacks, how messed up is that ?, the neo-cons want regime change in Iran. There's a good chance they will carry out a attack on Iran's completely legal nuclear power plants before Bush leaves office, it's not definite, but it's a real possibility, and if they do it, it would be disastrous.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 9, 2008 21:58:40 GMT
Remember when the USA got rid of The Shah of Iran..because he was "too extremist"...and replaced him with Ayatollah Khomenie...destabilising the Middle-East for decades and actively encouraging Radical-Islamic factions to destabilise/overthrow there own Regimes
Plus ca change...
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Post by serpico on Jul 9, 2008 22:02:18 GMT
Remember when the USA got rid of The Shah of Iran..because he was "too extremist"...and replaced him with Ayatollah Khomenie...destabilising the Middle-East for decades and actively encouraging Radical-Islamic factions to destabilise/overthrow there own Regimes Plus ca change... The US got rid of the shah ?... the Shah was the US's puppet they installed in 1953 after covertly over throwing democratically elected Mohammed Mossedeq, who's crime was to privatize Iran's oil, obviously we can't have that so we and the US covertly over thew that government and installed the hideously brutal Shah of Iran, who went on to rule for 25+ bloody years until the revolution in 79. The US did not over throw the Shah.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2008 22:32:42 GMT
Iran is full of nukes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2008 22:33:32 GMT
Altough if you ask seprico, he will argue to the death that Iran hasn't got any nukes (included the one's they have just tested).
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Post by serpico on Jul 9, 2008 22:35:54 GMT
Altough if you ask seprico, he will argue to the death that Iran hasn't got any nukes (included the one's they have just tested). They're not nuclear weapons.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2008 22:37:24 GMT
Yes, Iran has nukes.
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Post by serpico on Jul 9, 2008 22:39:37 GMT
In bizarro world yes they have them, in real life, no they don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2008 22:44:52 GMT
In mad mullah's world they do.
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Post by DansViews on Jul 9, 2008 22:47:23 GMT
Can we just gas them all? Put an end to this bloody war shehite
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Post by serpico on Jul 9, 2008 22:47:41 GMT
This can be proved with a cursory 1 minute google search...... case fucking closed
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2008 22:50:51 GMT
There's none so deaf as those who will not hear.
Goodnight.
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Post by serpico on Jul 9, 2008 22:56:03 GMT
Can we just gas them all? Put an end to this bloody war shehite Bit harsh, the American people shouldn't have to suffer because of their war criminal in chief, i say we just try him and his regime under the laws of nuremberg and let justice take it's course.
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Post by serpico on Jul 9, 2008 23:00:42 GMT
There's none so deaf as those who will not hear. Goodnight. Thats not my opinion, thats a fact, even the neo-crazies don't claim Iran has a nuclear weapon, how can thy when ALL of they're own intelligence agencies say they haven't.
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Post by JetBlack on Jul 10, 2008 11:46:54 GMT
If anyone was to 'kick off' a war in the Middle East it will be the Isreali's. With the Americans alongside and therefore us too. The Isreali's need to be brought down a peg or two; but with the U. S. as their main ally(spelling) no one will retaliate. Just 'who' is 'who's' puppet? Isreal lead the States by the nose; ffs they've even attacked an American Warship (USS Liberty) and nothing was done. Serpico, can you shed any light on who is the 'puppet master and why?
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Post by the cat on Jul 10, 2008 11:52:54 GMT
I wouldn't worry, they got them cheap from Iraq
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Post by prong on Jul 10, 2008 12:21:02 GMT
This can be proved with a cursory 1 minute google search...... case fucking closed Hang on! Kenco IN cups?
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Post by scfcmatt on Jul 10, 2008 12:35:35 GMT
That video is bollocks, have you ever been to Iran? I have.
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Post by serpico on Jul 10, 2008 12:56:53 GMT
That video is bollocks, have you ever been to Iran? I have. The video is a google search for the united states own national intelligence estimate (NIE, all 16 US intelligence agencies coming toegther) on Iran's Nuclear weapons program, there key judgment was that Iran halted their nuclear weapons program 5 years ago in 2003. I don't need to travel to Iran, which I'm told is a beautiful country, to find out that they don't have a nuclear weapons capability.
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Post by serpico on Jul 10, 2008 12:58:12 GMT
If anyone was to 'kick off' a war in the Middle East it will be the Isreali's. With the Americans alongside and therefore us too. The Isreali's need to be brought down a peg or two; but with the U. S. as their main ally(spelling) no one will retaliate. Just 'who' is 'who's' puppet? Isreal lead the States by the nose; ffs they've even attacked an American Warship (USS Liberty) and nothing was done. Serpico, can you shed any light on who is the 'puppet master and why? The Israel lobby has big influence in washington, this book is well worth a read
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 10, 2008 13:30:08 GMT
In 1951 Mohammed Mussadegh was elected Prime Minister of Iran, and nationalised Irans oil-fields...
In 1953, Dwight D Eisenhower authorised 'Operation Ajax', a joint effort by the USA/UK to destabilise/get rid of Mussadegh
He was eventually arrested and Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was made Prime Minister..who crushed all forms of political opposition...and allowed the USA free access to Irans oil fields again
Correct Serpico?
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Post by serpico on Jul 10, 2008 13:43:11 GMT
In 1951 Mohammed Mussadegh was elected Prime Minister of Iran, and nationalised Irans oil-fields... In 1953, Dwight D Eisenhower authorised 'Operation Ajax', a joint effort by the USA/UK to destabilise/get rid of Mussadegh He was eventually arrested and Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was made Prime Minister..who crushed all forms of political opposition...and allowed the USA free access to Irans oil fields again Correct Serpico? Correct, the Shah and his secret police, Savak, who were CIA trained, were brutal and ruled with an Iron fist for 25+ years, the Shah was the US's puppet dictator, also if you study that coup you might look at the BBC in a whole new light as well, they were key with regards disseminating propaganda in Iran. The Bush admin are carrying out something akin to operation Ajax as we speak, they have spent $400m on aiding terror groups inside Iran aimed at destabilizing the Iranian government. One of the top journalists in the US has just released his latest article on it, the US are aiding sunni terror groups, with links to al qeada, to help bring about regime change in Iran, and people wonder why some Iranians hate us ? although they don't have any nuclear weapons, they could probably make a good argument why they should have them, put yourself in there shoes, you've got the US occupying countries either side of you with a raft of war ships just of your coast, and on top of that you have both the US and Israel making threats against you, what's the best deterrent to an invading army ? a arsenal of nuclear weapons would help, so the current US policy towards Iran is more likely to drive them to acquiring nuclear weapon than it is to stop them.
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Post by serpico on Jul 10, 2008 13:53:45 GMT
Heres Madelaine Albright apologizing for the coup in 1999.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 10, 2008 15:40:33 GMT
Interesting Serpico..
The Israeli's have always had a policy of assasinating more moderate Palestinians Leaders/factions...leaving the more radical/extreme versions...which then legitimises any susequent action they take..aided and abetted by the USA
We did the same when Palestine was a British Mandate...and Israeli's were blowing up hotels full of British soldiers
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2008 15:43:22 GMT
Have we agreed yet that Iran has nukes?
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Post by curacao on Jul 10, 2008 15:44:27 GMT
Have we agreed yet that Iran has nukes? no ;D
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