Haiti - what has happened

[musik]

Haiti

Poor Economy
No respect for the legal system
Armed robbery in the streets
The gangs take food delivery transports
Total violent anarchy
100.000 children might starve to death before New Year (just got a letter about it)

Is it the worst place on Earth to be atm?🤔

[noustie]

Haiti wasn't in a good place anyway when the earthquake hit in 2010.

What is less well known is the UN peacekeepers shitting up the river brought Cholera to the island which has completely fucked them up and the UN are still being shitebags about it now:

www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2772RL/


Haiti was cholera-free until October 2010, when infected sewage from United Nations peacekeepers sent to the Caribbean nation after a devastating earthquake contaminated a river.

Since then about 10,000 Haitians have died of the disease, which can cause profuse diarrhoea and fluid loss that can kill within hours. More than 800,000 have fallen ill. A U.N.-appointed panel concluded in 2011 that fecal contamination by a U.N. peacekeepers' camp was a likely cause of the epidemic, but said "it was not the fault of, or deliberate action of, a group or individual."

[gawa]

Answer: So Haiti’s always been pretty messy, in 1991 and later 2004, the same man Jean Bertrand Aristride was couped with some believing that there was American and French involvement. The first time he got couped it was by the military so when he came back he disbanded it, and since then politicians have favored courting streetgangs. Two separate peacekeeping missions came to Haiti during this time. In 2010 a large earthquake destroyed much of Port-au-Prince, the nations capital further plunging an already unstable government into further poverty.

It was in this aftermath we saw the election of Jovenal Moise who won the 2016 election in a landslide. It also had an around 20% turnout (I see both 18% and 21%) and some accusation of voting intimidation. Möise would get into trouble not long after for corruption, supposedly he misused loans and in doing so alienated the Venezuelan government who stopped sending fuel creating broad black outs and rising oil prices. Along with general accusations of corruption. This kept going quite regularly until 2020 and 2021 when the protests recentered itself to focus more on Möise himself.

First it was the mishandling of the covid pandemic and after that it was accusations of police brutality. Supposedly, a coup attempt in March led to Möise arresting a bunch of people sparking accusations of dictatorship. Möise’s actual term became the problem with opposition figures suggesting his term ended in February while Möise said his government had till 2022. The protests became massive and included both the rampant street gangs and jail breaks that we’re seeing now.

That July, Möise is murdered. 28 people were involved, 26 Colombian and two haitian Americans, supposedly it was an attempted coup hired by some Haitian Americans. Who plotted it is hard to tell, the American group were definitely involved, but theirs wide perception that there were people involved higher up than them. Accusations go from a major drug kingpin, a group of senators, Möise’s widow, and the current president. Many of these claims are political, the current regime accuses their enemies while the opposition claims the government is in on it.

Afterwards, it was unclear who was going to take over as acting president with two clear possibilities. Claude Joseph and Ariel Henry, they both fought for the position publicly declaring themselves both interim president. In the end, an agreement put Henry in charge. They have since both been accused of killing Möise, with Joseph being accused by Henry and Henry by authorities he refused to cooperate with.

Since then Henry has been a massively unpopular figure. Since 2021, gangs who supported Möise have accused the Henry government of being complicit and have been stirring up trouble to get mass resignations. Elections have been postponed and multiple arrests have been made of senators Henry blamed for the murder. In late 2023- early 2024, the largest gang in Port-au-prince led by Jimmy Cherzier and former coup leader Guy Philippe had organized a series of attacks both against the government and rivals. Cherzier’s gang is the G9 and his enemies are the G-pep but neither support Henry.

Earlier in March, Henry left to Kenya, while there the G9 gang alliance took over two prisons and released more than four thousand people. They more or less took the city (they had controlled about 90% before this) with the area becoming essentially a battle. Henry attempted to return but couldn’t after the airports in the capital were taken leading him to resign from the presidency from Kenya. The minister of finance, Michael Boisvert, now is prime minister but it’s unclear if he’s going to last long. As far as I can tell, fighting’s still happening.

Edit: forgot to answer the international community question. Haiti keeps being intervened on, it had UN peacekeepers in its borders from 2004-2017 and that was a mess. UN peacekeepers were accused of being heavily involved in human trafficking, a not uncommon accusation surrounding them. That, along with corruption involving aid money that started this whole affair, I think means most of the International community has little interest in involving themselves. Maybe there are international backers for one side or the other, but right now, from what I know, it seems like most governments are standing back and asking for a return to democracy and civil order while pulling their citizens out.

Decent summary I think

[wannabee]

May 20, 2024 10:58:35 GMT noustie said:

Haiti wasn't in a good place anyway when the earthquake hit in 2010.

What is less well known is the UN peacekeepers shitting up the river brought Cholera to the island which has completely fucked them up and the UN are still being shitebags about it now:

www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2772RL/


Haiti was cholera-free until October 2010, when infected sewage from United Nations peacekeepers sent to the Caribbean nation after a devastating earthquake contaminated a river.

Since then about 10,000 Haitians have died of the disease, which can cause profuse diarrhoea and fluid loss that can kill within hours. More than 800,000 have fallen ill. A U.N.-appointed panel concluded in 2011 that fecal contamination by a U.N. peacekeepers' camp was a likely cause of the epidemic, but said "it was not the fault of, or deliberate action of, a group or individual."

Not the only misery the UN brought to Haiti

www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/12/18/un-peacekeepers-fathered-then-abandoned-hundreds-children-haiti-report-says/

[atillathehoneybee]

May 20, 2024 10:46:03 GMT musik said:

Haiti

Poor Economy
No respect for the legal system
Armed robbery in the streets
The gangs take food delivery transports
Total violent anarchy
100.000 children might starve to death before New Year (just got a letter about it)

Is it the worst place on Earth to be atm?🤔

Not the worst place by any means..Surely Burslem takes that accolade..

[prestwichpotter]

Depends on how far you go back to see where Haiti's problems began, but they were royally fucked over by the French with the blessing of the rest of the Western world and it's pretty much been downhill from there...........

[elystokie]

I was there in '85, it was the Aids capital of the world at the time, not much was known about it at all.

Place was poverty stricken, we were forbidden from going outside the dockyard on foot, apparently we'd have been mobbed, taxi drivers took us wherever we wanted to go and stayed with us until we wanted to go back onboard.

Lovely people in the main tho, deserve much better.

[musik]

Looks to be total anarchy there now ...

[cvillestokie]

Another country that the CIA has played with to put people it sees fit in power. How has this one worked out?

[cvillestokie]

www.cnn.com/2024/05/24/us/american-missionary-couple-haiti/index.html

Son of a leader of a Haiti missionary group and his wife were murdered. I wonder if they’ll close the mission?

[NassauDave]

One of our neighbouring countries.
It is indeed absolutely desperate and crime ridden, with gangs ruthlessly running the country.

Corruption is rife, and quality of life is awful.
We have many thousands of undocumented Haitians in The Bahamas, and in nearby countries.

These poor people have been risking their lives to escape the absolute carnage and poverty that is Haiti in insanely overcrowded 'boats' for many years.

It's a very complicated mess, and the Kenyan military have an extremely dangerous task ahead of them that they have little to no chance of winning.

[Bojan Mackey]

Has now been classified as a failed state.


Effectively an apocalypse has unfolded there.