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Post by cobhamstokey on May 16, 2024 7:02:11 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 16, 2024 7:12:06 GMT
You wait pal. They are shoving these bike lanes all over Manchester with fake consultation ie pretending to consult and just doing it anyway. And the amount of close calls I'm seeing with these heavy electric bikes that do 40 mph. I keep getting overtaken by electric and standard road bikes in 20 mph zones.
Sadly deaths are coming cos some of the pricks riding them are feeling very entitled with all this bike lane shyte and push for more and more bikes.
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Post by salopstick on May 16, 2024 7:14:23 GMT
They need to also start jailing"some" idiot pedestrians who cause accidents by:
crossing the road 5 betwen parked cars 5 metres up from a crossing.
walking whilst not looking as on phone
and all the other cuntish things they do
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Post by salopstick on May 16, 2024 7:21:22 GMT
The problem with this country and cyclists is we dont have a cycling culture like say france or holland. Idiots on both sides of the argument but there a lot of drivers who do not respect cyclists at all and think its ok to shout abuse for no reason or deliberatly close pass. That is a lot more common than the odd idiot cyclist
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Post by andystokey on May 16, 2024 7:21:34 GMT
So kids can be criminalised by encouraging them to exercise or get to school?
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Post by frasier37 on May 16, 2024 7:48:36 GMT
I cycle for health and enjoyment since I had to stop running due to arthritic knee.
On my routes i try to avoid roads as much as possible to avoid the increasing lunatic vehicle drivers out there...I'm talking of not only the incompetent driver but, the down right aggressive lunatics that purposely do stuff
Im lucky as my main route is a 53 miler with a good third of it all seafront / cycle lanes.
On the point about cyclists. Yes I do agree, there are more than a few that think the laws don't apply to them and give the activity a bad name. Surely tho "on the whole" their actions are nowhere near as dangerous as a vehicle?
I'm not against enforcement on cyclists but how?....start licencing them?....number plates?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 16, 2024 7:51:52 GMT
Those that ride in a peloton like they’re competing in the Tour de France really boil my piss
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 16, 2024 8:14:59 GMT
Those that ride in a peloton like they’re competing in the Tour de France really boil my piss They’re an absolute menace. They’re a million miles away from those that cycle to work or for exercise purposes who I have zero issues with because I used to be one myself. Because I live on the olympic route we get 1000’s here particularly in the weekend. Biggest gripes - The pelotoners who ride 3/4 aside on 50 mph roads who refuse to ride single file. - Those that weave up to traffic lights then go through red and hold up everyone for a mile. - Go down my road (which is one way at speed) to take a short cut. |
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Post by cvillestokie on May 16, 2024 8:15:20 GMT
Cyclists over the age of 16 should have to have a license that can make their bicycle trackable. I don’t believe that they should pay a tax etc but if they had a license, they’d be far less likely to decide that the highway code isn’t important.
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Post by flea79 on May 16, 2024 8:15:27 GMT
Those that ride in a peloton like they’re competing in the Tour de France really boil my piss and those fat todgers who squeeze into lycra and pretend they are in the tour de twat, in reality they look like diaphanous sausages |
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Post by deeside2 on May 16, 2024 8:31:11 GMT
I used to live on the Wirral and club cyclists were a constant pest most days of the week but obviously especially at weekends. They would regularly ride 3, or sometimes 4 abreast on main roads and more often 2 abreast on country lanes making it almost impossible to overtake. We got to know their favoured routes and just tried to avoid them most of the time.
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Post by elystokie on May 16, 2024 8:34:23 GMT
Those that ride in a peloton like they’re competing in the Tour de France really boil my piss and those fat todgers who squeeze into lycra and pretend they are in the tour de twat, in reality they look like diaphanous sausages Never heard of diaphanous before, had to look it up 🙂 Great word, has to be an Oatcake debut surely? |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on May 16, 2024 8:38:37 GMT
So kids can be criminalised by encouraging them to exercise or get to school? I had a kid coming from school chasing his mates on the bus about 3 or 4 months ago and he went straight through 4 way lights at the crossroads and then swerved over the road in front of traffic, all the time only looking at his pals on the bus ahead and trying to catch them. How he wasn't hit by a car have no idea and the car would have been to blame of course. You see them riding 3 or 4 side by side regularly . If exercise is more important then ok but as we know, the car drivers always seem to get the blame . Was a kid from my school killed on his bike, , he overtook a car on the inside that was turning left, thankfully were witnesses not that it did the kid much good and the driver despite being blameless was guilty as far as the parents were concerned simply because he was in the car that hit him. Totally agree with above, should be recognition on bikes ,same as cars as this jumping the lights is getting out of hand. Either that or we need more Ronnie Pickering types on the road to put them in their place |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 16, 2024 8:50:41 GMT
So kids can be criminalised by encouraging them to exercise or get to school? I had a kid coming from school chasing his mates on the bus about 3 or 4 months ago and he went straight through 4 way lights at the crossroads and then swerved over the road in front of traffic, all the time only looking at his pals on the bus ahead and trying to catch them. How he wasn't hit by a car have no idea and the car would have been to blame of course. You see them riding 3 or 4 side by side regularly . If exercise is more important then ok but as we know, the car drivers always seem to get the blame . Was a kid from my school killed on his bike, , he overtook a car on the inside that was turning left, thankfully were witnesses not that it did the kid much good and the driver despite being blameless was guilty as far as the parents were concerned simply because he was in the car that hit him. Totally agree with above, should be recognition on bikes ,same as cars as this jumping the lights is getting out of hand. Either that or we need more Ronnie Pickering types on the road to put them in their place There will be a reckoning. Near me you now have 20mph roads with bike lanes where deliveroo bikers are doing 40 mph on their half a tonne electric bikes. And they pick and choose whether to use the bike lane or not. Crossing the main road near me has turned into a game of frogger where you now have 4 lanes of traffic to negotiate and heavy electric bikes doing up to 40 mph in bike lanes where cars parked shield them from view. As I say its going to end in tears. Already has in fact but its going to get exponentially worse over time until the reckoning takes place after multiple deaths have occurred... |
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Post by salopstick on May 16, 2024 8:51:00 GMT
two a breast is safer even three for cyclists and it should make it QUICKER TO PASS.
Cars should only pass other cars when it is safe as they have to go on th eother side of the road. no different when passing cyclists. If only drivers realised this.
cars seem to think they should be allowed to pass cyclists on the same side of the road. they forget near to the side of the road is full of potholes and rubbish which bikes are also trying to avoid
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Post by Northy on May 16, 2024 8:56:00 GMT
The same sentences should be for both, if they are speeding then they should be prosecuted the same, jump a red light the same as Eggybread, but how would they catch them, should they now have licence plates on them and pay tax ?
As Cobham said, those that just cycle past a line of cars to the front of the queue at traffic lights then hold everyone up need sorting, this happens near me often and it's only a single lane bridge across the river which causes great angst among many.
I'm up for this country getting more proper cycle routes to let people get out and exercising safely, as a lot of our lanes just aren't fit for cars, let alone bikes and cars together.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on May 16, 2024 9:00:10 GMT
I had a kid coming from school chasing his mates on the bus about 3 or 4 months ago and he went straight through 4 way lights at the crossroads and then swerved over the road in front of traffic, all the time only looking at his pals on the bus ahead and trying to catch them. How he wasn't hit by a car have no idea and the car would have been to blame of course. You see them riding 3 or 4 side by side regularly . If exercise is more important then ok but as we know, the car drivers always seem to get the blame . Was a kid from my school killed on his bike, , he overtook a car on the inside that was turning left, thankfully were witnesses not that it did the kid much good and the driver despite being blameless was guilty as far as the parents were concerned simply because he was in the car that hit him. Totally agree with above, should be recognition on bikes ,same as cars as this jumping the lights is getting out of hand. Either that or we need more Ronnie Pickering types on the road to put them in their place There will be a reckoning. Near me you now have 20mph roads with bike lanes where deliveroo bikers are doing 40 mph on their half a tonne electric bikes. And they pick and choose whether to use the bike lane or not. Crossing the main road near me has turned into a game of frogger where you now have 4 lanes of traffic to negotiate and heavy electric bikes doing up to 40 mph in bike lanes where cars parked shield them from view. As I say its going to end in tears. Already has in fact but its going to get exponentially worse over time until the reckoning takes place after multiple deaths have occurred... Frogger Now that was a game |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 16, 2024 9:07:16 GMT
There will be a reckoning. Near me you now have 20mph roads with bike lanes where deliveroo bikers are doing 40 mph on their half a tonne electric bikes. And they pick and choose whether to use the bike lane or not. Crossing the main road near me has turned into a game of frogger where you now have 4 lanes of traffic to negotiate and heavy electric bikes doing up to 40 mph in bike lanes where cars parked shield them from view. As I say its going to end in tears. Already has in fact but its going to get exponentially worse over time until the reckoning takes place after multiple deaths have occurred... Frogger Now that was a game Greatest video game of all time for me. Not so much fun playing it in real life if you're a doddery old dear trying to walk to the shops and cross 4 lanes wondering why bicycles are going faster down these thin lanes than cars. And for the record I cycle on these bike lanes too. And just the other day had some kunt open their car door into the bike lane. Thankfully I was doing low speed and managed to stop okay. And the car passenger was very apologetic to be fair. Chaos will ensue for sure... |
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Post by andystokey on May 16, 2024 9:28:02 GMT
So kids can be criminalised by encouraging them to exercise or get to school? I had a kid coming from school chasing his mates on the bus about 3 or 4 months ago and he went straight through 4 way lights at the crossroads and then swerved over the road in front of traffic, all the time only looking at his pals on the bus ahead and trying to catch them. How he wasn't hit by a car have no idea and the car would have been to blame of course. You see them riding 3 or 4 side by side regularly . If exercise is more important then ok but as we know, the car drivers always seem to get the blame . Was a kid from my school killed on his bike, , he overtook a car on the inside that was turning left, thankfully were witnesses not that it did the kid much good and the driver despite being blameless was guilty as far as the parents were concerned simply because he was in the car that hit him. Totally agree with above, should be recognition on bikes ,same as cars as this jumping the lights is getting out of hand. Either that or we need more Ronnie Pickering types on the road to put them in their place There is laws already in place and that child you mention above broke the existing ones. The law that is being proposed has only one equivalent in all the countries in the world, North Korea. It's a bad ill thought out piece of legislation to get some votes on the way to election. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on May 16, 2024 9:29:58 GMT
Frogger Now that was a game Greatest video game of all time for me. Not so much fun playing it in real life if you're a doddery old dear trying to walk to the shops and cross 4 lanes wondering why bicycles are going faster down these thin lanes than cars. And for the record I cycle on these bike lanes too. And just the other day had some kunt open their car door into the bike lane. Thankfully I was doing low speed and managed to stop okay. And the car passenger was very apologetic to be fair. Chaos will ensue for sure... Frogger but with old ladies crossing the road to get to the post office would be a great game A bit like Death Race 2000 but with pensioners going to buy TV licence stamps and a Soreen loaf and ..splat |
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Post by deeside2 on May 16, 2024 9:38:17 GMT
two a breast is safer even three for cyclists and it should make it QUICKER TO PASS. Cars should only pass other cars when it is safe as they have to go on th eother side of the road. no different when passing cyclists. If only drivers realised this. cars seem to think they should be allowed to pass cyclists on the same side of the road. they forget near to the side of the road is full of potholes and rubbish which bikes are also trying to avoid I agree with the principal. The problem we regularly encountered on the Wirral was when it was a cycling club riding three (or sometimes four) abreast and about eight to ten rows deep. On their "favoured routes" it was very often almost impossible to overtake for several miles purely due to how they chose to ride with this almost complete disregard for other road users. Thankfully the vast majority of cyclists do show more sense and awareness for themselves and others. |
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 16, 2024 10:05:29 GMT
two a breast is safer even three for cyclists and it should make it QUICKER TO PASS. Cars should only pass other cars when it is safe as they have to go on th eother side of the road. no different when passing cyclists. If only drivers realised this. cars seem to think they should be allowed to pass cyclists on the same side of the road. they forget near to the side of the road is full of potholes and rubbish which bikes are also trying to avoid I agree with the principal. The problem we regularly encountered on the Wirral was when it was a cycling club riding three (or sometimes four) abreast and about eight to ten rows deep. On their "favoured routes" it was very often almost impossible to overtake for several miles purely due to how they chose to ride with this almost complete disregard for other road users. Thankfully the vast majority of cyclists do show more sense and awareness for themselves and others. Yeah I understand the frustration to be honest the same issues exist with tractors and trailers and I regularly come across horse and carts (buggy) on narrow country lanes. The bigger issue in this country is the lack of suitable infrastructure which by enlarge puts us all on the road together far too often. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 16, 2024 10:16:53 GMT
We are largely an overweight and inactive nation.
We should be looking at increasing massively the amount of cycle lanes and infrastructure to take cars off the road particularly in cities and large towns, and foster a culture like in Europe where cyclists become part of the road network and vehicle users treat them with respect. That of course works both ways and any cyclist breaking the law should absolutely be dealt with accordingly. Especially those with powerful electrical bikes (and e-scooters) which can be death traps in the wrong hands.
We need a bit of perspective here though, more people get killed by cows or by lightning strikes than cyclists, and there over 30,000 KSI's (Killed, Seriously Injured) caused by motor vehicles......
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Post by tommycarlsberg on May 16, 2024 11:05:10 GMT
You wait pal. They are shoving these bike lanes all over Manchester with fake consultation ie pretending to consult and just doing it anyway. And the amount of close calls I'm seeing with these heavy electric bikes that do 40 mph. I keep getting overtaken by electric and standard road bikes in 20 mph zones. Sadly deaths are coming cos some of the pricks riding them are feeling very entitled with all this bike lane shyte and push for more and more bikes. They're a nightmare in the big cities but it's what you get from Deliveroo/Just Eat culture. Can see exactly why they're used and these delivery guys get paid F.A. Can't stand people cycling in the park and on the pavements really quick, feel like close-lining them off it. |
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Post by desman2 on May 16, 2024 11:35:48 GMT
So kids can be criminalised by encouraging them to exercise or get to school? That's where the old cycling proficiency test comes in. Un fortunately it was scrapped in most if not all schools. |
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Post by andystokey on May 16, 2024 12:25:48 GMT
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on May 16, 2024 12:29:21 GMT
So kids can be criminalised by encouraging them to exercise or get to school? That's where the old cycling proficiency test comes in. Un fortunately it was scrapped in most if not all schools. It clashed with Gender Identity Studies, Period 5, Schools can't do it all, you know 😉 |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 16, 2024 12:31:30 GMT
That's where the old cycling proficiency test comes in. Un fortunately it was scrapped in most if not all schools. It clashed with Gender Identity Studies, Period 5, Schools can't do it all, you know 😉 Is there a bike for the gender fluid or gender non conforming. Could be a market in this..... |
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Post by thepremierbanksy on May 16, 2024 12:32:34 GMT
Firstly not convinced that the laws don't already exist to take cyclists to court. There was a the famous Charlie Allinson/Kim Briggs case a few years ago - the cyclist got taken to court, cleared of charges of manslaughter but convicted and sentenced to 18months inside for wanton/furious cycling, which whilst it was a slightly antiquated law, dished out at least a comparable punishment to most instances of vulnerable road users being killed by cars. To put that into context it's pretty common for drivers get let off with a driving ban and a fine for "the sun was in my eyes" when they have killed a person. The current government have been promising a review of law and punishments around road offences since Cameron's days, why not integrate cyclist/pedestrian offences into that, see to it that everyone is held accountable for their behaviour. AFAIK legal e-bicycles are restricted to 25kph (~16mph). Above that they should comply with the laws for motorcycles or they are being ridden illegally. To add barriers to entry to active transport modalities including cycling such as mandatory speedos (who checks the accuracy of those? are you going to make an MOT for bikes too?) in the context of these data* is some interesting societal cost-benefit analysis:  Hating on cyclists as a social out group seems as popular and seeminly socially acceptable as ever, this just reeks of populism to me. *and the economic costs of sickness, disabilities, and comorbidities including T2 diabetes which alone costs the NHS north of 10Bn/annum |
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Post by OldStokie on May 16, 2024 12:41:34 GMT
Does this law also apply to those mad buggers who ride electric scooters on the pavements and roads. I hope so. Some of them are lunatics.
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