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Post by musik on May 12, 2024 11:22:31 GMT
The European Union voting is coming up here in Sweden first week of June and normally 45% don't vote.
But I will and always do.
However.
Q: is it any point voting on a very small political party, which won't get enough votes to be a part of any decisions in the end? Is it always a wasted vote?
I have no idea what to vote for, but have seen we have more than 100 political parties we can choose from this time. It's weird.
What would you say is the main reason to vote on a too small party without any influence?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 12, 2024 11:49:01 GMT
The European Union voting is coming up here in Sweden first week of June and normally 45% don't vote. But I will and always do. However. Q: is it any point voting on a very small political party, which won't get enough votes to be a part of any decisions in the end? Is it always a wasted vote? I have no idea what to vote for, but have seen we have more than 100 political parties we can choose from this time. It's weird. What would you say is the main reason to vote on a too small party without any influence? 🤠 Some people vote on principle - so for example the Green Party get votes because of their stance on green matters even if they ate unlikely to get much actual influence in government. At least the EU vote uses proportional representation so smaller parties do get some say. In the UK all votes are now first past the post which locks us into a two party system - about a third of our electorate don't get a voice. |
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Post by musik on May 12, 2024 11:56:33 GMT
The European Union voting is coming up here in Sweden first week of June and normally 45% don't vote. But I will and always do. However. Q: is it any point voting on a very small political party, which won't get enough votes to be a part of any decisions in the end? Is it always a wasted vote? I have no idea what to vote for, but have seen we have more than 100 political parties we can choose from this time. It's weird. What would you say is the main reason to vote on a too small party without any influence? 🤠 Some people vote on principle - so for example the Green Party get votes because of their stance on green matters even if they ate unlikely to get much actual influence in government. At least the EU vote uses proportional representation so smaller parties do get some say. In the UK all votes are now first past the post which locks us into a two party system - about a third of our electorate don't get a voice. Thanks!👍 I was also thinking about the real small political parties here, the ones who don't even have a website. I saw some party who got 1 vote last time in the population. Maybe it was the inventor who voted ... |
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 12, 2024 12:14:49 GMT
We have the same issue in uk voting for small insignificant parties, such as Labour, in the general election. My advice, as always, is to put a massive cross next to the candidate you definitely don’t want to send a firm message of rejection.  |
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Post by wannabee on May 12, 2024 12:35:51 GMT
The European Union voting is coming up here in Sweden first week of June and normally 45% don't vote. But I will and always do. However. Q: is it any point voting on a very small political party, which won't get enough votes to be a part of any decisions in the end? Is it always a wasted vote? I have no idea what to vote for, but have seen we have more than 100 political parties we can choose from this time. It's weird. What would you say is the main reason to vote on a too small party without any influence? 🤠 I'm not sure I understand your dilemma as Sweden uses the Apparentment Voting System a type of Proportional Representation but with Party Lists Sweden also has the 4% Rule to gain some level of representation, surely support below that level doesn't deserve representation. |
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Post by cvillestokie on May 12, 2024 13:37:29 GMT
I don’t think it’s a wasted vote. If people simply voted for the people that they wanted rather than worrying about what everyone else was doing, they’d be happier and there would likely be more diversity in politics.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 12, 2024 14:58:07 GMT
I don’t think it’s a wasted vote. If people simply voted for the people that they wanted rather than worrying about what everyone else was doing, they’d be happier and there would likely be more diversity in politics. Not in first past the post |
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Post by cvillestokie on May 12, 2024 16:24:15 GMT
I don’t think it’s a wasted vote. If people simply voted for the people that they wanted rather than worrying about what everyone else was doing, they’d be happier and there would likely be more diversity in politics. Not in first past the post Then continue voting for the party you don’t like, hoping that they will one day change. |
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Post by oggyoggy on May 12, 2024 16:36:07 GMT
Not in first past the post Then continue voting for the party you don’t like, hoping that they will one day change. First past the post is about voting against the party you don’t like. That’s why many will hold their nose and vote labour to oust the tories. |
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Post by musik on May 12, 2024 17:32:56 GMT
The European Union voting is coming up here in Sweden first week of June and normally 45% don't vote. But I will and always do. However. Q: is it any point voting on a very small political party, which won't get enough votes to be a part of any decisions in the end? Is it always a wasted vote? I have no idea what to vote for, but have seen we have more than 100 political parties we can choose from this time. It's weird. What would you say is the main reason to vote on a too small party without any influence? 🤠 I'm not sure I understand your dilemma as Sweden uses the Apparentment Voting System a type of Proportional Representation but with Party Lists Sweden also has the 4% Rule to gain some level of representation, surely support below that level doesn't deserve representation. Ok. Clarification: this thread is NOT about our Swedish National Election, where we choose our representatives on city, region and national level. In our national level voting the party must get 4% to be a part of our Riksdagen (the Parliament). And hopefully the political party you pick will be part of the government. This thread is about the Swedish election for the European Union. What swedes who will represent us there in Brussels. And I don't know how many relative votes they need to represent us. I counted the political parties to choose from and they were the eight political parties we also have in the Riksdagen (Parliament): S - Social Democrats V - The Left Party (Communists) MP - The Green Party C - The Center Party (Liberals) M - The Moderats (Conservatives) L - The Liberals SD - The Sweden Democrats KD - The Christ Democrats but also 112 other political parties (!!!). Some examples: The Basic Income Party (Basinkomstpartiet) Common Sense in Sweden The Least Bad Party (Det minst dåliga partiet) Free Choice (Fritt Val) Nationalsocialistic Reform Party (Nationalsocialistiska Reformpartiet) That's enough, damn it! (Nu får det fan vara nog!) Ok Evil Chicken Party (Ond kycklingpartiet) Political Shift (Politiskt skifte) Resource Democracy (Resurs demokrati) Social Libertarians (Sociallibertarianerna) The Suns Freedom Party (Solens Frihetsparti) Symparty (Sympartiet) The Smart Soul Out (Ut) Willy Tiger Yggdrasil What I do now is looking for these 112 parties websites. Is it any meaning voting for an odd political party? |
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Post by wannabee on May 12, 2024 18:08:22 GMT
I'm not sure I understand your dilemma as Sweden uses the Apparentment Voting System a type of Proportional Representation but with Party Lists Sweden also has the 4% Rule to gain some level of representation, surely support below that level doesn't deserve representation. Ok. Clarification: this thread is NOT about our Swedish National Election, where we choose our representatives on city, region and national level. In our national level voting the party must get 4% to be a part of our Riksdagen (the Parliament). And hopefully the political party you pick will be part of the government. This thread is about the Swedish election for the European Union. What swedes who will represent us there in Brussels. And I don't know how many relative votes they need to represent us. I counted the political parties to choose from and they were the eight political parties we also have in the Riksdagen (Parliament): S - Social Democrats V - The Left Party (Communists) MP - The Green Party C - The Center Party (Liberals) M - The Moderats (Conservatives) L - The Liberals SD - The Sweden Democrats KD - The Christ Democrats but also 112 other political parties (!!!). Some examples: The Basic Income Party (Basinkomstpartiet) Common Sense in Sweden The Least Bad Party (Det minst dåliga partiet) Free Choice (Fritt Val) Nationalsocialistic Reform Party (Nationalsocialistiska Reformpartiet) That's enough, damn it! (Nu får det fan vara nog!) Ok Bad Chicken Party (Dålig kycklingpartiet) Political Shift (Politiskt skifte) Resource Democracy (Resurs demokrati) Social Libertarians (Sociallibertarianerna) The Suns Freedom Party (Solens Frihetsparti) Symparty (Sympartiet) The Smart Soul Out (Ut) Willy Tiger Yggdrasil What I do now is looking for these 112 parties websites. Is it any meaning voting for an odd political party? The 4% Rule applies in EU Elections as well as for Riksdag in Sweden In 2019 Liberals got 4.13% and 1 of the 21 Seats available My vote would go to the Evil Chicken Party 😂 No wonder Economist Intelligence Unit found Sweden to be the third most Electorally Democratic Country in the World 😀 |
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Post by yeokel on May 12, 2024 18:30:32 GMT
Then continue voting for the party you don’t like, hoping that they will one day change. First past the post is about voting against the party you don’t like. That’s why many will hold their nose and vote labour to oust the tories. A bit like in 2010 when many of us “held our noses” and voted Lib Dem to keep the Tories out? It didn’t quite work out for us though, did it? |
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Post by gawa on May 12, 2024 18:32:36 GMT
I'd vote for the bad chicken party
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Post by musik on May 12, 2024 19:29:05 GMT
Ok. Clarification: this thread is NOT about our Swedish National Election, where we choose our representatives on city, region and national level. In our national level voting the party must get 4% to be a part of our Riksdagen (the Parliament). And hopefully the political party you pick will be part of the government. This thread is about the Swedish election for the European Union. What swedes who will represent us there in Brussels. And I don't know how many relative votes they need to represent us. I counted the political parties to choose from and they were the eight political parties we also have in the Riksdagen (Parliament): S - Social Democrats V - The Left Party (Communists) MP - The Green Party C - The Center Party (Liberals) M - The Moderats (Conservatives) L - The Liberals SD - The Sweden Democrats KD - The Christ Democrats but also 112 other political parties (!!!). Some examples: The Basic Income Party (Basinkomstpartiet) Common Sense in Sweden The Least Bad Party (Det minst dåliga partiet) Free Choice (Fritt Val) Nationalsocialistic Reform Party (Nationalsocialistiska Reformpartiet) That's enough, damn it! (Nu får det fan vara nog!) Ok Bad Chicken Party (Dålig kycklingpartiet) Political Shift (Politiskt skifte) Resource Democracy (Resurs demokrati) Social Libertarians (Sociallibertarianerna) The Suns Freedom Party (Solens Frihetsparti) Symparty (Sympartiet) The Smart Soul Out (Ut) Willy Tiger Yggdrasil What I do now is looking for these 112 parties websites. Is it any meaning voting for an odd political party? The 4% Rule applies in EU Elections as well as for Riksdag in Sweden In 2019 Liberals got 4.13% and 1 of the 21 Seats available My vote would go to the Evil Chicken Party 😂 No wonder Economist Intelligence Unit found Sweden to be the third most Electorally Democratic Country in the World 😀 That's interesting since our Christ Democrats party leader during the week said the 4% rule can't be applied in the EU election. The Christ Values Party were very good according to their program at first regarding family, economy and law and order, but when they listed "advantages" with a free market on apartment rents, those actually weren't any advantages at all, their immigration policy sucked as well, their standing on nuclear power and on examination in schools. The National Socialistic Reform Party have all humans equal value as their number one priority. But they need to examined thoroughly. When reading the program it seems to almost be a farse. I will look at the Sweden's Communist Party SKP now. Edith: they were very China friendly. Marx, Engels, Lenin and in fact they used to be called KFML(r), also altered to KPML(r). It gives me flashbacks from my elementary school. Some teachers were members. Other teachers voted for VPK (The Left Party, The Communists), a few were Social Democrats and only one teacher something else, a conservative. |
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Post by oggyoggy on May 12, 2024 21:16:20 GMT
First past the post is about voting against the party you don’t like. That’s why many will hold their nose and vote labour to oust the tories. A bit like in 2010 when many of us “held our noses” and voted Lib Dem to keep the Tories out? It didn’t quite work out for us though, did it? If you voted lib dem to get the tories out in your constituency and the lib dems won that seat then yes, it did work. Else the tories would have had their majority sooner if lib dem seats had gone to the tories. |
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Post by wannabee on May 12, 2024 22:00:09 GMT
The 4% Rule applies in EU Elections as well as for Riksdag in Sweden In 2019 Liberals got 4.13% and 1 of the 21 Seats available My vote would go to the Evil Chicken Party 😂 No wonder Economist Intelligence Unit found Sweden to be the third most Electorally Democratic Country in the World 😀 That's interesting since our Christ Democrats party leader during the week said the 4% rule can't be applied in the EU election. The Christ Values Party were very good according to their program at first regarding family, economy and law and order, but when they listed "advantages" with a free market on apartment rents, those actually weren't any advantages at all, their immigration policy sucked as well, their standing on nuclear power and on examination in schools. The National Socialistic Reform Party have all humans equal value as their number one priority. But they need to examined thoroughly. When reading the program it seems to almost be a farse. I will look at the Sweden's Communist Party SKP now. Edith: they were very China friendly. Marx, Engels, Lenin and in fact they used to be called KFML(r), also altered to KPML(r). It gives me flashbacks from my elementary school. Some teachers were members. Other teachers voted for VPK (The Left Party, The Communists), a few were Social Democrats and only one teacher something else, a conservative. I obviously didn't see Ebba Busch's comments but I expect it had some association with KD's spat with the Greens on pre school gender pedagogy In any case if she did say it she's wrong |
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Post by musik on May 13, 2024 7:06:18 GMT
That's interesting since our Christ Democrats party leader during the week said the 4% rule can't be applied in the EU election. The Christ Values Party were very good according to their program at first regarding family, economy and law and order, but when they listed "advantages" with a free market on apartment rents, those actually weren't any advantages at all, their immigration policy sucked as well, their standing on nuclear power and on examination in schools. The National Socialistic Reform Party have all humans equal value as their number one priority. But they need to examined thoroughly. When reading the program it seems to almost be a farse. I will look at the Sweden's Communist Party SKP now. Edith: they were very China friendly. Marx, Engels, Lenin and in fact they used to be called KFML(r), also altered to KPML(r). It gives me flashbacks from my elementary school. Some teachers were members. Other teachers voted for VPK (The Left Party, The Communists), a few were Social Democrats and only one teacher something else, a conservative. I obviously didn't see Ebba Busch's comments but I expect it had some association with KD's spat with the Greens on pre school gender pedagogy In any case if she did say it she's wrong I don't know how Sweden's representation works in the EU (yet), but I'm happy to find out before the 9th of June. All I know is she said something about groups (co-operation with other countries parties of the same kind) and that the 4% limit is irrelevant then. As if it was no guarantee. Hmm. I didn't pay full attention in the news flow though, but I suppose everything is explained on the Voting Authority website of ours. The voting card hasn't arrived to me yet, on Friday this week is the last day. And something just above 50% vote here. That's a shame! |
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Post by frasier37 on May 13, 2024 7:10:56 GMT
Is there any point in voting for any political party regardless of size?
Hows it gone in the past?
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Post by musik on May 13, 2024 7:19:38 GMT
Is there any point in voting for any political party regardless of size? Hows it gone in the past? Approx. 45% think not, in Sweden. This thread focused on the real small parties though. I've come to the conclusion voting for a silly party is kind of a protest. Voting affect decisions definitely. Like their latest decision regarding IPTV. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 13, 2024 7:30:36 GMT
Is there any point in voting for any political party regardless of size? Hows it gone in the past? Approx. 45% think not, in Sweden. This thread focused on the real small parties though. I've come to the conclusion voting for a silly party is kind of a protest. Voting affect decisions definitely. Like their latest decision regarding IPTV. You have to decide whether your principles are more important than your vote having an impact in government. If the former then voting for a really small party is fine, if the latter then it's pointless. |
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Post by wannabee on May 13, 2024 7:37:02 GMT
I obviously didn't see Ebba Busch's comments but I expect it had some association with KD's spat with the Greens on pre school gender pedagogy In any case if she did say it she's wrong I don't know how Sweden's representation works in the EU (yet), but I'm happy to find out before the 9th of June. All I know is she said something about groups (co-operation with other countries parties of the same kind) and that the 4% limit is irrelevant then. As if it was no guarantee. Hmm. I didn't pay full attention in the news flow though, but I suppose everything is explained on the Voting Authority website of ours. The voting card hasn't arrived to me yet, on Friday this week is the last day. And something just above 50% vote here. That's a shame! Ah I think I see where she may have been coming from now In the EU Parliament individual Countries MEPs form a voting block with like minded parties in other Countries to influence EU Legislation The prediction for the makeup of next EU Parliament is there will be a swing to the Right in favour of policies which aid the Economy, the theory being without a strong Economy it is impossible to implement Green policies www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/eus-looming-green-election-backlash-heres-what-to-expect/In any event if I had a vote I'd still cast it in favour of The Evil Chicken Party |
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Post by frasier37 on May 13, 2024 8:23:45 GMT
Is there any point in voting for any political party regardless of size? Hows it gone in the past? Approx. 45% think not, in Sweden. This thread focused on the real small parties though. I've come to the conclusion voting for a silly party is kind of a protest. Voting affect decisions definitely. Like their latest decision regarding IPTV. 👍Oh yeh they'll allow you to change the insignificant stuff as a distraction of what's going on in the real world....those decisions are not allowed to be made by the un-wealthy |
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Post by musik on May 13, 2024 11:43:56 GMT
Approx. 45% think not, in Sweden. This thread focused on the real small parties though. I've come to the conclusion voting for a silly party is kind of a protest. Voting affect decisions definitely. Like their latest decision regarding IPTV. 👍Oh yeh they'll allow you to change the insignificant stuff as a distraction of what's going on in the real world....those decisions are not allowed to be made by the un-wealthy From the very beginning, before Sweden actually had joined EU and from what I'd heard about it I thought it seemed promising. But then I was more and more skeptical since they have controlled products and regulations in detail and have had too much influence here. I have a relative and one of his best mates is one of the representative candidates for us there, and a longtime mate of mine from elementary school who now lives not far from the action down there is candidating now again I think. Both of them seem happy about EU and say co-operation between countries is important, but can't that be done without EU? Nowadays I see the basic argument, the foundation for it from the beginning, that you could move yourself and stuff over the borders easily, is the definite number one issue instead! It has lead to weapons and drugs floating all over the place in a way totally out of control. The latest is the influence over the tax system. Our own Tax Authority have decided selling on ebay is seen as a business if you come over a certain limit or do it in a "professional" way, why you have to pay taxes for the whole year afterwards, which is devastating for some people. Some might sell things now and then to survive during tough times and now they have to pay taxes for it with money they do no longer have. It was "influenced" by EU, they said. It's so much easier to be hard on many small people without any real power, than to look where the real flows are going. So basically I'm looking for a party no longer wanting us there. The political party called Swexit might be something. |
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Post by professorplump on May 13, 2024 11:48:52 GMT
I'd love to know what is in the Willy Tiger manifesto!
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Post by musik on May 13, 2024 12:29:00 GMT
I don't know how Sweden's representation works in the EU (yet), but I'm happy to find out before the 9th of June. All I know is she said something about groups (co-operation with other countries parties of the same kind) and that the 4% limit is irrelevant then. As if it was no guarantee. Hmm. I didn't pay full attention in the news flow though, but I suppose everything is explained on the Voting Authority website of ours. The voting card hasn't arrived to me yet, on Friday this week is the last day. And something just above 50% vote here. That's a shame! Ah I think I see where she may have been coming from now In the EU Parliament individual Countries MEPs form a voting block with like minded parties in other Countries to influence EU Legislation The prediction for the makeup of next EU Parliament is there will be a swing to the Right in favour of policies which aid the Economy, the theory being without a strong Economy it is impossible to implement Green policies www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/eus-looming-green-election-backlash-heres-what-to-expect/In any event if I had a vote I'd still cast it in favour of The Evil Chicken Party I simply had to check them out. And it's correct, I translated to Bad chicken party first, but it should be Evil Chicken Party. They want to 1) alter the copyright laws, so it will be easier to use copyright material (a bit like the Pirate Party). They want to introduce a sort of license you get to make things easier instead of contacting each and everyone who has a copyright. They say also that our public service programs on TV and radio should be free to use, since they are tax financed. I don't get what they mean actually. These programs are already ad free and free to watch as much as you like. We even have a certain archive online where you can go back several years to watch series, films or whatever. I'm just thinking loud now, but do they really mean they would like anyone to be able to get in there and claim they've made the movie instead? That would mean total anarchy and madness. 2) They also say GDPR is a good thing but don't want people to pick among the cookies. They also want to stop the country censorship possibility. 3) They want to lower the 4% of the total votes-rule to 3% to get more political parties in both to the Parliament (Riksdagen) and into EU. |
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Post by musik on May 13, 2024 12:32:38 GMT
I'd love to know what is in the Willy Tiger manifesto! Hmm. It seems it's a guy's real name, but I haven't found any website yet. I read today apart from our 8 normal parties we have 102 other parties to choose among. Not correct. It's a total of 112 other parties. |
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Post by musik on May 13, 2024 12:42:12 GMT
👍Oh yeh they'll allow you to change the insignificant stuff as a distraction of what's going on in the real world....those decisions are not allowed to be made by the un-wealthy From the very beginning, before Sweden actually had joined EU and from what I'd heard about it I thought it seemed promising. But then I was more and more skeptical since they have controlled products and regulations in detail and have had too much influence here. I have a relative and one of his best mates is one of the representative candidates for us there, and a longtime mate of mine from elementary school who now lives not far from the action down there is candidating now again I think. Both of them seem happy about EU and say co-operation between countries is important, but can't that be done without EU? Nowadays I see the basic argument, the foundation for it from the beginning, that you could move yourself and stuff over the borders easily, is the definite number one issue instead! It has lead to weapons and drugs floating all over the place in a way totally out of control. The latest is the influence over the tax system. Our own Tax Authority have decided selling on ebay is seen as a business if you come over a certain limit or do it in a "professional" way, why you have to pay taxes for the whole year afterwards, which is devastating for some people. Some might sell things now and then to survive during tough times and now they have to pay taxes for it with money they do no longer have. It was "influenced" by EU, they said. It's so much easier to be hard on many small people without any real power, than to look where the real flows are going. So basically I'm looking for a party no longer wanting us there. The political party called Swexit might be something. Naa. The Swexit party wasn't for me and a mess really. They wanted all the bodies and stuff to be floating around as much as ever, but they didn't want to pay any fee. Good luck with that! Sweden pay 40 billion SEK (£3,5 billion) to EU each year btw. Most of it (according to the Swexit Party) goes to farmers in the southern and eastern parts of Europe. |
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Post by musik on May 13, 2024 17:02:40 GMT
It's interesting to see how these small political parties have succeeded in our National Election in 2022, if they existed then.
Many parties are really small and only got 1, 2 or 3 votes, but some are a bit larger. However, everyone of them lies below 0,5% of the votes.
The largest small political party of them all here in Sweden is the immigration friendly party Nyans (Nuance). They want separated extra well treatment of the Africans in Sweden. They also want not only to secure the muslims rights but to reinforce these rights. They also want frozen rents on apartments for five years. It was on TV about them and I think the party leader was from eastern Europe.
28352 persons voted for them in our latest National Election meaning 0,44% of the total votes.
16646 person, 0,26%, voted on AfS Alternative for Sweden who wants to send back as many of the immigrants as possible. Thereby they're the second largest of the tiny small parties.
The Naturist Party got 4 votes.
Evil Chicken Party actually 39 votes.
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Post by musik on May 13, 2024 19:37:53 GMT
I just read about the political party Företaget Sverige (The Company Sweden).
Is there any counterpart in England, a party called The Company England?
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However. It was the most confusing info I've read from any party so far. And every subject somehow ended up with something about the Nation. Nationalistic party in disguise? Tourette's syndrome? A little bit of conspiracy theory makers?
Quite frankly, I have no idea what they want though, even if they possibly gave most info of them all.
It will be fun I suppose to meet the politicians in person, whoever turns up around here.
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