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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 2, 2024 22:04:33 GMT
Next week I wonder if Joris Bohnson will be in the audienceš
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Post by marylandstoke on May 2, 2024 22:05:43 GMT
Who the fuck are Vale?
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 4, 2024 4:42:11 GMT
That'll get the panel squirming.
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Post by iancransonsknees on May 5, 2024 4:01:16 GMT
Have you had an Oatcake?
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Post by pipegatepotter on May 5, 2024 14:28:02 GMT
Ast got thee brine wings?
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Post by Eggybread on May 9, 2024 17:53:06 GMT
Apparently its been broadcast from Stoke tonight is this general knowledge or am I completely out of the political loop?
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Post by lordb on May 9, 2024 17:57:49 GMT
Walked past earlier, there's a small pro Palestinian protedt
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Post by shakermaker on May 9, 2024 18:59:00 GMT
The Stoke audience were very good last time round, so should be a good watch. Randy Nandy and Grace Blakeley are the eye candy on tonightās panel!
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on May 9, 2024 20:21:57 GMT
That Grace Blakeley is a lovely bit of kit. Iād happily pretend to look interested whilst she wittered on about politics.
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Post by jeycov on May 9, 2024 22:18:13 GMT
Arsenal fan on the panel š³
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 9, 2024 22:54:19 GMT
Car crash appearance from Nandy, as she ties herself up in knots over Gaza, trying to defend Labour's recent position before having to result to outright lying.
Blakeley is taking her to the cleaners (it's not hard).
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Post by wannabee on May 10, 2024 0:44:49 GMT
Car crash appearance from Nandy, as she ties herself up in knots over Gaza, trying to defend Labour's recent position before having to result to outright lying. Blakeley is taking her to the cleaners (it's not hard). A) Is the State of Israel currently breaking International Law and committing War Crimes B) Did Hamas a designated Terrorist Organisation commit a Terrorist Act on 7th October. These are quite simple questions to answer irrespective of whether you believe the conflict commenced on 15th May 1948 or 7th October 2023 or any other intervening date. Most Countries/People seem able to conclusively say yes to B) but caveat A) by saying "Israel has the right to defend itself, which of course it has. But Israel also has an obligation under International Humanitarian Law ( most of which was developed in the aftermath of the Nuremberg Trials) not to harm hors de combat i.e. those not engaged in the conflict. I doubt anyone watching the 6 o'clock News each evening could deny this is happening, whether you believe the "Hamas Controlled Ministry of Health" numbers are accurate or not. The UK Government claim that it only supplies 1% of Israeli Military Arms DIRECTLY to Israel ( the directly part is usually omitted from the claim) is highly disengenuous because it supplies US Military Suppliers with strategic military parts that end up being supplied to Israel but which UK Government doesn't count. Nevermind that, it's like claiming your just 1% pregnant, you either are or your not. It's a false boast that UK is only responsible for 1% of the Civilian Deaths and Casualties that have occurred in Gaza š©ø š appalling enough this number would be www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/uk-rishi-sunak-should-correct-record-arms-sales-israel
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on May 11, 2024 11:06:50 GMT
#BoycottPureGym trending on Twitter after Humphreyās comments on Israel on BBCQT.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 11, 2024 11:10:27 GMT
#BoycottPureGym trending on Twitter after Humphreyās comments on Israel on BBCQT. Pathetic
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 11, 2024 11:12:35 GMT
#BoycottPureGym trending on Twitter after Humphreyās comments on Israel on BBCQT. Pathetic Did you think the boycotts of South Africa were 'pathetic' too Badge?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 11, 2024 11:32:43 GMT
Did you think the boycotts of South Africa were 'pathetic' too Badge? Not at all
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 11, 2024 11:36:33 GMT
Did you think the boycotts of South Africa were 'pathetic' too Badge? Not at all So what do you see as the difference here? South Africa was and Israel is, an Apartheid State, don't they and the companies that support(ed) them, warrant boycotts against them?
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Post by JoeinOz on May 11, 2024 23:11:30 GMT
So what do you see as the difference here? South Africa was and Israel is, an Apartheid State, don't they and the companies that support(ed) them, warrant boycotts against them? One of the problems in this horrible situation is the refusal to accept it's an apartheid state. Many believe this situation started on October 7th.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 11, 2024 23:23:41 GMT
So what do you see as the difference here? South Africa was and Israel is, an Apartheid State, don't they and the companies that support(ed) them, warrant boycotts against them? One of the problems in this horrible situation is the refusal to accept it's an apartheid state. Many believe this situation started on October 7th. Patronising bollocks Iām afraid
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Post by JoeinOz on May 11, 2024 23:37:14 GMT
One of the problems in this horrible situation is the refusal to accept it's an apartheid state. Many believe this situation started on October 7th. Patronising bollocks Iām afraid No it isn't. With the indifference of the West, Israel has become a humanitarian calamity. The Balfour declaration was made 117 years ago. Isn't that long enough?
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Post by desman2 on May 11, 2024 23:56:32 GMT
Car crash appearance from Nandy, as she ties herself up in knots over Gaza, trying to defend Labour's recent position before having to result to outright lying. Blakeley is taking her to the cleaners (it's not hard). A) Is the State of Israel currently breaking International Law and committing War Crimes B) Did Hamas a designated Terrorist Organisation commit a Terrorist Act on 7th October. These are quite simple questions to answer irrespective of whether you believe the conflict commenced on 15th May 1948 or 7th October 2023 or any other intervening date. Most Countries/People seem able to conclusively say yes to B) but caveat A) by saying "Israel has the right to defend itself, which of course it has. But Israel also has an obligation under International Humanitarian Law ( most of which was developed in the aftermath of the Nuremberg Trials) not to harm hors de combat i.e. those not engaged in the conflict. I doubt anyone watching the 6 o'clock News each evening could deny this is happening, whether you believe the "Hamas Controlled Ministry of Health" numbers are accurate or not. The UK Government claim that it only supplies 1% of Israeli Military Arms DIRECTLY to Israel ( the directly part is usually omitted from the claim) is highly disengenuous because it supplies US Military Suppliers with strategic military parts that end up being supplied to Israel but which UK Government doesn't count. Nevermind that, it's like claiming your just 1% pregnant, you either are or your not. It's a false boast that UK is only responsible for 1% of the Civilian Deaths and Casualties that have occurred in Gaza š©ø š appalling enough this number would be www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/uk-rishi-sunak-should-correct-record-arms-sales-israelWe actually sell components of the F 35 jets , however they are licensed to be made in the US and as such are sold by them to Israel as well as using them .themselves and our own air force using them. We don't sell tanks aitcraft artillery air defence or missile systems to them. The low percentage comes from the sales or licenses are for fusilage panels.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 12, 2024 0:02:42 GMT
Patronising bollocks Iām afraid No it isn't. With the indifference of the West, Israel has become a humanitarian calamity. The Balfour declaration was made 117 years ago. Isn't that long enough? Apologies I read āmanyā as āmostā for some reason.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 12, 2024 9:19:19 GMT
Patronising bollocks Iām afraid No it isn't. With the indifference of the West, Israel has become a humanitarian calamity. The Balfour declaration was made 98 years ago. Isn't that long enough?
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Post by wannabee on May 12, 2024 9:25:22 GMT
A) Is the State of Israel currently breaking International Law and committing War Crimes B) Did Hamas a designated Terrorist Organisation commit a Terrorist Act on 7th October. These are quite simple questions to answer irrespective of whether you believe the conflict commenced on 15th May 1948 or 7th October 2023 or any other intervening date. Most Countries/People seem able to conclusively say yes to B) but caveat A) by saying "Israel has the right to defend itself, which of course it has. But Israel also has an obligation under International Humanitarian Law ( most of which was developed in the aftermath of the Nuremberg Trials) not to harm hors de combat i.e. those not engaged in the conflict. I doubt anyone watching the 6 o'clock News each evening could deny this is happening, whether you believe the "Hamas Controlled Ministry of Health" numbers are accurate or not. The UK Government claim that it only supplies 1% of Israeli Military Arms DIRECTLY to Israel ( the directly part is usually omitted from the claim) is highly disengenuous because it supplies US Military Suppliers with strategic military parts that end up being supplied to Israel but which UK Government doesn't count. Nevermind that, it's like claiming your just 1% pregnant, you either are or your not. It's a false boast that UK is only responsible for 1% of the Civilian Deaths and Casualties that have occurred in Gaza š©ø š appalling enough this number would be www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/uk-rishi-sunak-should-correct-record-arms-sales-israelWe actually sell components of the F 35 jets , however they are licensed to be made in the US and as such are sold by them to Israel as well as using them .themselves and our own air force using them. We don't sell tanks aitcraft artillery air defence or missile systems to them. The low percentage comes from the sales or licenses are for fusilage panels. The whole area is opaque which suits Defence Contractors and Government but known is that between May 2015 and August 2022 UK authorised specific licences for a value of Ā£448M Ā£183 million worth of ML22 licences (military technology) Ā£117 million worth of ML10 licences (aircraft, helicopters, drones) Ā£22 million worth of ML4 licences (grenades, bombs, missiles, countermeasures) Ā£4.6 million worth of ML6 licences (armoured vehicles, tanks) Ā£1.9 million worth of ML3 licences (ammunition) Ā£1.1 million worth of ML1 licences (small arms) The licences and exports you talk about regarding F-35 Stealth are contained in 88 other Licences where the amount is not specified so can be unlimited quantities and value. It can include F35 stealth combat body armour, military-grade communications and electronic devices, as well as parts for military radars, targeting systems, and components for naval vessels. In March 2024 the UK Government refused to comment on whether Israel had bombed a medical compound in the Gaza Strip with British doctors from Medical Aid for Palestinians (MAP) using F-16 jets produced at least in part with UK-supplied components. Why all of this could become problematic for UK is that the UK is a signatory of the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) and it places obligations to assess the risk of supplying Arms does not cause Human Rights violations under Article 6. Under Article 7 it prohibits Arms sales which contribute to breaches of humanitarian and human rights law, including gender-based violence against women and children.We have seen the disproportionate deaths of women and children ourselves, whether UK contributed Arms to aid this is the question. In addition, the UK is a signatory to the November 2022 Dublin Political Declaration on Explosive Weapons in Populated Areas EWIPA That declaration sets out the UKās commitment to avoid the use of explosive weapons in densely-populated civilian areas such as cities and towns. If Netanyahu carries out his threat in Rafah the consequences of using explosive arms in a highly populated area is clear. US has endorsed the EWIPA Draft in a meeting in Geneva in June 2022 which presumably is one of the reasons why Biden has halted Arms Shipments to Israel, specifically regarding an intended assault on Rafah.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 12, 2024 19:12:30 GMT
Patronising bollocks Iām afraid No it isn't. With the indifference of the West, Israel has become a humanitarian calamity. The Balfour declaration was made 117 years ago. Isn't that long enough? Indeed. This is important ...
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Post by Eggybread on May 13, 2024 9:31:20 GMT
I thought the audience were the most dumbed-down boring bunch they have ever had on the show.The panel even looked uncomfortable with the opressive silence the audience created.
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