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Post by tommycarlsberg on May 2, 2024 11:02:36 GMT
We've heard nothing but "this manager can't be expected to do anything with this dreadful squad" for months now yet the same people are getting cold feet when talking about ripping it up. It's got to be a minimum of 10 out, 10 in surely? The usual people that can’t look past the end of their noses. McNally and Hoever have been slated all season. One of them has a good month and I’m not sure what McNally has done and suddenly both are worth keeping. It’s absolutely mad. Irrational thinking made by emotion. Whilst I agree with you largely, McNally I think would take over Wilmot.
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Post by lordb on May 2, 2024 11:09:34 GMT
Twice we were transformed from relegation battlers to an effective outfit by the addition of Huddy. It only needs an inspirational signing to shift the whole outlook of the team. Brian Talbot Gerry Taggert Stein Fuller
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 2, 2024 11:23:35 GMT
I think this squad has underperformed rather than being particularly useless, and it's taken some players more time to settle. It was a pretty big rebuild job last year which Neil then paid the price for having not gotten a tune out of them, but it's looked like Schumacher has got them into a much better place. We certainly need to add to it, but we don't need to decimate it again and start from scratch as we'll be in the same situation again.
Sensible additions are needed in some areas, and then we'll get the odd exciting signing as well, I'm sure. I expect there will be plenty of movement but probably from the 7/8 we already expect to leave, but in any normal summer window, you'd probably make at least 5 signings anyway. I think we'll do some good business.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 2, 2024 11:47:16 GMT
There will be a few we want to get rid of but can't,like Pearson,who will take the risk with what he will cost but wages too?
There must be a few more who are on good wages that most clubs won't/ cant match.
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Post by kerouac on May 2, 2024 11:55:27 GMT
Hopefully: Laurent out Johnson out Wilmot keep Leris out Bonham keep Clark out Hoever loan Stevens keep Thompson keep Pearson out Wesley out Haks out Cundle loan Ennis out McNally loan Edited for you Wilmot keep…….!!!!???????? What’s your dealers number please?
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Post by kerouac on May 2, 2024 12:00:03 GMT
Said a few weeks a go I wouldn't take Hoever back. But the lad has done it again and I've fallen for it. I'd have him back. I really like the lad. I'm a fucking idiot and have watched the lad have bang average Champo wingers run rings around him but I'd take him back. There's something in him for me. Why? He’s been gash for most of the season, like that last season. Ie most of his time here. He conned you all last season, why fall for it again? He’s been less gash than most and has provided threat and goals that have basically kept us up. He’s not perfect by any means,but amongst a plethora of shite,he’s stood out as someone who can actually play football.
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Post by kerouac on May 2, 2024 12:03:02 GMT
Twice we were transformed from relegation battlers to an effective outfit by the addition of Huddy. It only needs an inspirational signing to shift the whole outlook of the team. He’s too old I’m afraid.
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Post by thornestein on May 2, 2024 12:03:12 GMT
Why? He’s been gash for most of the season, like that last season. Ie most of his time here. He conned you all last season, why fall for it again? He’s been less gash than most and has provided threat and goals that have basically kept us up. He’s not perfect by any means,but amongst a plethora of shite,he’s stood out as someone who can actually play football. but a defender should be able to defend , he has to many brain farts to do that
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Post by kerouac on May 2, 2024 12:07:39 GMT
He’s been less gash than most and has provided threat and goals that have basically kept us up. He’s not perfect by any means,but amongst a plethora of shite,he’s stood out as someone who can actually play football. but a defender should be able to defend , he has to many brain farts to do that He’s still too good to get rid in my opinion…..I agree he’s “too cool for school” at times,but if someone works with him on that I think he could become a very good asset .
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Post by thornestein on May 2, 2024 12:17:34 GMT
but a defender should be able to defend , he has to many brain farts to do that He’s still too good to get rid in my opinion…..I agree he’s “too cool for school” at times,but if someone works with him on that I think he could become a very good asset . he’s not our player and i doubt we can afford him
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Post by wakefieldstokie on May 2, 2024 12:26:11 GMT
Keep:
Burger Bae Junior Manhoef
Not arsed about any of the others, including the Manager.
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Post by Pugsley on May 2, 2024 12:35:29 GMT
Keep: Burger Bae Junior Manhoef Not arsed about any of the others, including the Manager. Any suggestions on a new manager?
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Post by Gob Bluth on May 2, 2024 12:50:37 GMT
Below is the team that played the last game of the season in 2007-08. I only say this because I don't believe you need a perfect team to get promoted and I say that because I think some of the players that are being written off are capable of contributing. Ennis for Cresswell? Is Hoever that worse that Wilkinson accepting that the role that position plays 15 years on has changed?
One of the differences is the manager at the time was able to get the most out of the players we had. That's not happened at Stoke for years and years aside from maybe one player in Souttar.
Stoke: Nash, Cort, Wilkinson (Buxton 21), Shawcross, Dickinson, Lawrence (Pugh 90), Delap, Whelan, Cresswell, Fuller, Sidibe (Ameobi 90). Subs Not Used: Simonsen, Pearson.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on May 2, 2024 13:41:01 GMT
5000 season ticket holders?
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Post by Pugsley on May 2, 2024 13:58:16 GMT
Below is the team that played the last game of the season in 2007-08. I only say this because I don't believe you need a perfect team to get promoted and I say that because I think some of the players that are being written off are capable of contributing. Ennis for Cresswell? Is Hoever that worse that Wilkinson accepting that the role that position plays 15 years on has changed? One of the differences is the manager at the time was able to get the most out of the players we had. That's not happened at Stoke for years and years aside from maybe one player in Souttar. Stoke: Nash, Cort, Wilkinson (Buxton 21), Shawcross, Dickinson, Lawrence (Pugh 90), Delap, Whelan, Cresswell, Fuller, Sidibe (Ameobi 90). Subs Not Used: Simonsen, Pearson. I'd swap Bae for Cresswell out of the current cabal and that's it.
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Post by kerouac on May 2, 2024 14:02:42 GMT
Below is the team that played the last game of the season in 2007-08. I only say this because I don't believe you need a perfect team to get promoted and I say that because I think some of the players that are being written off are capable of contributing. Ennis for Cresswell? Is Hoever that worse that Wilkinson accepting that the role that position plays 15 years on has changed? One of the differences is the manager at the time was able to get the most out of the players we had. That's not happened at Stoke for years and years aside from maybe one player in Souttar. Stoke: Nash, Cort, Wilkinson (Buxton 21), Shawcross, Dickinson, Lawrence (Pugh 90), Delap, Whelan, Cresswell, Fuller, Sidibe (Ameobi 90). Subs Not Used: Simonsen, Pearson. That’s a good point…..on paper that’s not much of a side,with plenty of players that drove me fucking mental at times.The big difference to me are Shawcross and Fuller and a team that bought into the managers way,it certainly wasn’t pretty at times and I was glad when he went,but he got us up and we stayed up and that’s all that matters.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 2, 2024 14:04:06 GMT
Below is the team that played the last game of the season in 2007-08. I only say this because I don't believe you need a perfect team to get promoted and I say that because I think some of the players that are being written off are capable of contributing. Ennis for Cresswell? Is Hoever that worse that Wilkinson accepting that the role that position plays 15 years on has changed? One of the differences is the manager at the time was able to get the most out of the players we had. That's not happened at Stoke for years and years aside from maybe one player in Souttar. Stoke: Nash, Cort, Wilkinson (Buxton 21), Shawcross, Dickinson, Lawrence (Pugh 90), Delap, Whelan, Cresswell, Fuller, Sidibe (Ameobi 90). Subs Not Used: Simonsen, Pearson. I'd swap Bae for Cresswell out of the current cabal and that's it. Sadly I agree...although I think there's better to come from Burger and Manhoef and possibly Junior. Also think Cundle if he signs has promise. None would get in that 08 team yet however.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 2, 2024 14:10:16 GMT
How is it unnecessary when we've just come as close to relegation as we ever have in 6 years, and the general consensus is that the squad is so shit the manager can't be expected to achieve anything with it? If that's not ripe for another rebuild then nothing is, else what's the point of it all? how ppl can’t see this is baffling tbh We’ll have even less money to do a rebuild this year than last year and only Wesley’s wild card option to do things on the cheap with. We seem to have: 3 standout players - Bae, Burger, Million; 7 average players - Thompson (if he stays), Baker, Laurent, Pearson, Wilmot, Stevens (if he stays), Gooch; A few average to less than - Bonham, Rose, Leris, Ennis, Johnson; A couple of general “to be determined”s - Mmaee, Junior. There’s 2-3 teams in the league that have better players in all positions that the rest of the league. The other teams in the playoffs get there because their teams are generally quite balanced. It’s got to be VERY hard to make a team balanced if you change ten or so players out. If we can get 2 cbs (at least 1 better than we have), a left back, a goalkeeper and a striker that works well with Million and Bae, I think we’ll be in a far better position this time next season.
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Post by kerouac on May 2, 2024 14:11:46 GMT
I'd swap Bae for Cresswell out of the current cabal and that's it. Sadly I agree...although I think there's better to come from Burger and Manhoef and possibly Junior. Also think Cundle if he signs has promise. None would get in that 08 team yet however. Really…? In my opinion Creswell,Wilkinson,Dickenson,Delap,Sidibe,Cort were very limited players…..the difference being they played a certain way and it worked.
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Post by mickstupp on May 2, 2024 14:20:49 GMT
Sadly I agree...although I think there's better to come from Burger and Manhoef and possibly Junior. Also think Cundle if he signs has promise. None would get in that 08 team yet however. Really…? In my opinion Creswell,Wilkinson,Dickenson,Delap,Sidibe,Cort were very limited players…..the difference being they played a certain way and it worked. The sum of the parts were better than the individuals, and I think that’s the key at this level. We’ve had some good individuals over the years but we simply haven’t knitted together properly as a unit.
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Post by a on May 2, 2024 14:26:36 GMT
So we need to get rid of almost the entire senior squad and sign what, 15 players?
Anyway back on Earth…. 😂
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Post by ChesterStokie on May 2, 2024 14:27:05 GMT
Below is the team that played the last game of the season in 2007-08. I only say this because I don't believe you need a perfect team to get promoted and I say that because I think some of the players that are being written off are capable of contributing. Ennis for Cresswell? Is Hoever that worse that Wilkinson accepting that the role that position plays 15 years on has changed? One of the differences is the manager at the time was able to get the most out of the players we had. That's not happened at Stoke for years and years aside from maybe one player in Souttar. Stoke: Nash, Cort, Wilkinson (Buxton 21), Shawcross, Dickinson, Lawrence (Pugh 90), Delap, Whelan, Cresswell, Fuller, Sidibe (Ameobi 90). Subs Not Used: Simonsen, Pearson. That’s a good point…..on paper that’s not much of a side,with plenty of players that drove me fucking mental at times.The big difference to me are Shawcross and Fuller and a team that bought into the managers way,it certainly wasn’t pretty at times and I was glad when he went,but he got us up and we stayed up and that’s all that matters. On paper not much of a side? There’s 7 players there who subsequently proved themselves to be of Premier League standard.
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 2, 2024 14:33:14 GMT
Also saying goodbye this weekend will be my dear mum. Unfortunately, she breached her ASBO and is back up in court on Tuesday morning expecting another few months inside.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on May 2, 2024 14:43:31 GMT
Keep: Burger Bae Junior Manhoef Not arsed about any of the others, including the Manager. Any suggestions on a new manager? not sure they'd listen, isnt the clubs supposed to find them? Claude Makélélé Joachim Löw Hansi Flick Antonio Conte Rudi Garcia Graham Potter Walter Mazzarri Albert Celades Sylvain Ripoll Steve Cooper Julen Lopetegui Jesse Marsch Bruno Génésio Bruno Cheyrou Niko Kovac Maurizio Sarri Ruud van Nistelrooy Laurent Blanc Chris Hughton Jürgen Klinsmann Fabio Grosso
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Post by barcaontrent on May 2, 2024 14:49:08 GMT
We can't afford another total rebuild of the squad. I would rather keep alot of the squad and spend money on 5/6 first team players (GK,CB 2X,CM,ST) than sign 12 odd spare parts
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Post by greenhoff on May 2, 2024 15:00:18 GMT
Below is the team that played the last game of the season in 2007-08. I only say this because I don't believe you need a perfect team to get promoted and I say that because I think some of the players that are being written off are capable of contributing. Ennis for Cresswell? Is Hoever that worse that Wilkinson accepting that the role that position plays 15 years on has changed? One of the differences is the manager at the time was able to get the most out of the players we had. That's not happened at Stoke for years and years aside from maybe one player in Souttar. Stoke: Nash, Cort, Wilkinson (Buxton 21), Shawcross, Dickinson, Lawrence (Pugh 90), Delap, Whelan, Cresswell, Fuller, Sidibe (Ameobi 90). Subs Not Used: Simonsen, Pearson. I'd swap Bae for Cresswell out of the current cabal and that's it. Bae scoring as many as Cresswell?
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Post by biddulphchav on May 2, 2024 15:16:47 GMT
Below is the team that played the last game of the season in 2007-08. I only say this because I don't believe you need a perfect team to get promoted and I say that because I think some of the players that are being written off are capable of contributing. Ennis for Cresswell? Is Hoever that worse that Wilkinson accepting that the role that position plays 15 years on has changed? One of the differences is the manager at the time was able to get the most out of the players we had. That's not happened at Stoke for years and years aside from maybe one player in Souttar. Stoke: Nash, Cort, Wilkinson (Buxton 21), Shawcross, Dickinson, Lawrence (Pugh 90), Delap, Whelan, Cresswell, Fuller, Sidibe (Ameobi 90). Subs Not Used: Simonsen, Pearson. That’s a good point…..on paper that’s not much of a side,with plenty of players that drove me fucking mental at times.The big difference to me are Shawcross and Fuller and a team that bought into the managers way,it certainly wasn’t pretty at times and I was glad when he went,but he got us up and we stayed up and that’s all that matters. The big difference is through the spine of the team. Delap and Whelan were Premier League players in the Champ. Shawcross and Cort were solid (and a goal threat) and Fuller was Fuller. What really stands out now is comparing Delap and Whelan to Laurent and Thompson. A different class of player in the middle of the park and I think the main differentiator
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Post by thornestein on May 2, 2024 15:29:54 GMT
how ppl can’t see this is baffling tbh We’ll have even less money to do a rebuild this year than last year and only Wesley’s wild card option to do things on the cheap with. We seem to have: 3 standout players - Bae, Burger, Million; 7 average players - Thompson (if he stays), Baker, Laurent, Pearson, Wilmot, Stevens (if he stays), Gooch; A few average to less than - Bonham, Rose, Leris, Ennis, Johnson; A couple of general “to be determined”s - Mmaee, Junior. There’s 2-3 teams in the league that have better players in all positions that the rest of the league. The other teams in the playoffs get there because their teams are generally quite balanced. It’s got to be VERY hard to make a team balanced if you change ten or so players out. If we can get 2 cbs (at least 1 better than we have), a left back, a goalkeeper and a striker that works well with Million and Bae, I think we’ll be in a far better position this time next season. according to the guy on here who understands the ffp we are better off this year than last
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Post by thornestein on May 2, 2024 15:31:32 GMT
So we need to get rid of almost the entire senior squad and sign what, 15 players? Anyway back on Earth…. 😂 not one person as said that
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Post by kerouac on May 2, 2024 15:32:19 GMT
That’s a good point…..on paper that’s not much of a side,with plenty of players that drove me fucking mental at times.The big difference to me are Shawcross and Fuller and a team that bought into the managers way,it certainly wasn’t pretty at times and I was glad when he went,but he got us up and we stayed up and that’s all that matters. On paper not much of a side? There’s 7 players there who subsequently proved themselves to be of Premier League standard. As someone else pointed out,it was the sum of the parts that counted back then…..they bought into the ethos. Some of those players drove me fucking mad.
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