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Post by callas12 on May 1, 2024 23:16:06 GMT
No-ones mentioned our current longest serving player - Tom Edwards..
He's been at Stoke since he was 11, is only 25yrs old but seems like he's been about forever! His 4½ year contract he signed in 2019 is about to expire as well this summer.
Weird thinking the last time Edwards started for Stoke was for Michael O'Neil during the early part of the 2019/20 season! Can't imagine he'd have been on a massive deal with us, but he's another one of the 'Under contract' players to us we can soon relinquish.
Seemed to have such a promising career ahead of him at one point but one can only guess where his future lies going forward..
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 1, 2024 23:18:56 GMT
Hopefully: Laurent Keep, Best player last 5 games Johnson Gone Wilmot Keep - last years player of season. Unlucky with injury Leris Keep Bonham Keep Clark Gone Hoever Keep - prem quality footballer. Goal involvement when it mattered Stevens - keep as back up has played very well when fit Thompson - Keep Pearson - keep, think he'll do better next season Wesley - Gone Haks - Gone Cundle - Keep, fits the system and finding his feet Ennis - Keep, bench warmer McNally - Keep, very good technical footballer for a centre half, very good on the ball Edit Maybe a little generous but a pretty good assessment
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Post by Glory Hunter on May 2, 2024 0:08:30 GMT
We’ve already got better than Hoever. 2 of them. What will you make of Walters As a player Bayern rated him as hard worker who was basically crap otherwise - says it all really.
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Post by Sfance on May 2, 2024 0:28:57 GMT
Calling Bayern an ignoramus is being kind. It’s hard to imagine how he gets on with the unfortunate individuals who are forced to cross his path in his everyday life.
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Post by whatsashig on May 2, 2024 0:30:32 GMT
Folk next to you till September, well it’s earlier than that now, shake ands ands say te ra
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Post by biddulphchav on May 2, 2024 4:43:05 GMT
I think Vidigal will be off, doesn’t look like he wants to scrap to me. Mmaee similar but a better footballer and I’d keep him as he could come good.
We need a fair few in this summer if we are to avoid another season flirting with relegation.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 2, 2024 5:43:22 GMT
The reality is we can’t or won’t get rid of too many. So in June we’ll lose the following potentially
*Loans* Haks - Let him go. Not impressed me Hoever - I’d try and keep him. But I don’t see him coming back McNally - 50/50 on him. Very inconsistent. I think we need a leader and the other 2 are under contract so has to go for me. Cundle - Last few games he’s been impressive. Prior to that not. Still young. If played in the correct system could be a good addition. Iverson - OK but would prefer Johanson or Travers. Has looked shaky at times.
*Perms* Tyrese - Tough one. Could be decent cover but doesn’t score enough goals and is injury prone. Depends on his attitude and whether he wants to stay. Wesley - Terrible signing. Has to go. Thompson - Keep. Excellent utility player. Decent as the holding midfielder. Stevens - Keep as LB cover Clarke - Out Noukeau - I get the impression he’s not good enough. Out.
*Under contract for one more year* Laurent - Can’t remain as captain. Not consistent enough which is what we need. Sell if we can as we need better. Baker - Only played 20 games this season. Sell. Gooch - Decent squad player / good pro. Keep. Johnson - Sell if we can or allow him to leave if he can find another club. Rose - Let him battle with Wilmot for the CB place alongside a new CB Bonham - Keep as third keeper
*On longer contract* Wilmot - as per Rose Mmaee - everything’s about his attitude. Good technical player but not sure where he fits in if we play 433. Might work if we play 2 up front as a 10. Vidigal - Sell. Thought he was ace but he went massively backwards Bae - Keep unless we get a huge offer Burger - Keep and make skipper unless we get in a captain Pearson - Needs to get fitter. If he can’t sell. Leris - I’d sell though he’d go with my best wishes as he’s a trier. Ennis - Sell if we can. Tries hard but he’s not looked good. Junior - Keep Jojic - Loan him Tezgal - Keep. Maybe another loan Sidibe - Keep. Loan him till Jan and see how he does Lowe - Lowe. Loan he doesn’t look ready yet.
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Post by 36dd on May 2, 2024 6:08:47 GMT
Laurent out Johnson out Wilmot keep Leris keep Bonham out if we can bring in a decent back up and main GK Clark out Hoever another loan Stevens keep unless two left backs can be found Thompson keep Pearson out Wesley out Haks out Cundle keep Ennis out McNally keep Rose out Edward’s out Vidigal out Campbell out
Bayern sent to the moon 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 2, 2024 6:16:15 GMT
Calling Bayern an ignoramus is being kind. It’s hard to imagine how he gets on with the unfortunate individuals who are forced to cross his path in his everyday life. What is stupid is that people seemingly don’t want to rip apart a squad that nearly relegated us. It’s like it never happened. If all these players were worth keeping the season we just had wouldn’t have happened. It’s absolutely mental.
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Post by theonlooker on May 2, 2024 6:23:28 GMT
Calling Bayern an ignoramus is being kind. It’s hard to imagine how he gets on with the unfortunate individuals who are forced to cross his path in his everyday life. What is stupid is that people seemingly don’t want to rip apart a squad that nearly relegated us. It’s like it never happened. If all these players were worth keeping the season we just had wouldn’t have happened. It’s absolutely mental. We've heard nothing but "this manager can't be expected to do anything with this dreadful squad" for months now yet the same people are getting cold feet when talking about ripping it up. It's got to be a minimum of 10 out, 10 in surely?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 2, 2024 6:26:12 GMT
What is stupid is that people seemingly don’t want to rip apart a squad that nearly relegated us. It’s like it never happened. If all these players were worth keeping the season we just had wouldn’t have happened. It’s absolutely mental. We've heard nothing but "this manager can't be expected to do anything with this dreadful squad" for months now yet the same people are getting cold feet when talking about ripping it up. It's got to be a minimum of 10 out, 10 in surely? The usual people that can’t look past the end of their noses. McNally and Hoever have been slated all season. One of them has a good month and I’m not sure what McNally has done and suddenly both are worth keeping. It’s absolutely mad. Irrational thinking made by emotion.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on May 2, 2024 6:33:28 GMT
Calling Bayern an ignoramus is being kind. It’s hard to imagine how he gets on with the unfortunate individuals who are forced to cross his path in his everyday life. What is stupid is that people seemingly don’t want to rip apart a squad that nearly relegated us. It’s like it never happened. If all these players were worth keeping the season we just had wouldn’t have happened. It’s absolutely mental. Your rebuild of c. 15 out, and what would probably be 18-20 in, bearing in mind that we already have gaps, isn't realistic, or going to work though, is it? It just doesn't happen in real life. If the thread was entitled 'Moon on a stick, what would you do with the squad?' then I'd not be far off your assertions. I think if we churn 8 first team players this summer we'll have done well. Then the challenge is finding 8 good ones. First XI's who'll have their names sung at games, is what we're aiming for. I'll rattle on about it 'til the cows come home, but if I look across the teams placed 5th to 10th this year, none of their squads really excite me. Middlesbrough as an example - they could finish up 3pts off the playoffs. Yet if we signed any one of their players tomorrow, I'd be 'meh'. So, it can be done.
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Post by MrFlirty on May 2, 2024 6:47:23 GMT
As much as some,of them don’t deserve to stay here, look at the mess recruiting so many players in one go had this season. There needs to be more continuity so an overhaul, yes, but not another wholesale change
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Post by thornestein on May 2, 2024 6:48:11 GMT
Hopefully: Laurent Keep, Best player last 5 games Johnson Gone Wilmot Keep - last years player of season. Unlucky with injury Leris Keep Bonham Keep Clark Gone Hoever Keep - prem quality footballer. Goal involvement when it mattered Stevens - keep as back up has played very well when fit Thompson - Keep Pearson - keep, think he'll do better next season Wesley - Gone Haks - Gone Cundle - Keep, fits the system and finding his feet Ennis - Keep, bench warmer McNally - Keep, very good technical footballer for a centre half, very good on the ball Edit so you want to keep most the players that got us in a relegation scrap, so you must think it was the managers fault ??
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Post by MrFlirty on May 2, 2024 6:48:43 GMT
As much as some,of them don’t deserve to stay here, look at the mess recruiting so many players in one go had this season. There needs to be more continuity so an overhaul, yes, but not another wholesale change
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Post by thornestein on May 2, 2024 6:52:57 GMT
Other than Junho, Burger, Manheof and Thompson, the rest can go!!! i’d let Thompson go personally, yeah he’s a good squad player but at his age should be playing regularly which he would get in league 1
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 2, 2024 6:53:40 GMT
What is stupid is that people seemingly don’t want to rip apart a squad that nearly relegated us. It’s like it never happened. If all these players were worth keeping the season we just had wouldn’t have happened. It’s absolutely mental. Your rebuild of c. 15 out, and what would probably be 18-20 in, bearing in mind that we already have gaps, isn't realistic, or going to work though, is it? It just doesn't happen in real life. If the thread was entitled 'Moon on a stick, what would you do with the squad?' then I'd not be far off your assertions. I think if we churn 8 first team players this summer we'll have done well. Then the challenge is finding 8 good ones. First XI's who'll have their names sung at games, is what we're aiming for. I'll rattle on about it 'til the cows come home, but if I look across the teams placed 5th to 10th this year, none of their squads really excite me. Middlesbrough as an example - they could finish up 3pts off the playoffs. Yet if we signed any one of their players tomorrow, I'd be 'meh'. So, it can be done. No essentially. We need 7/8 first teamers and can already fill the bench with every one of the ones listed bar Thompson gone. And I’ve not even mentioned Campbell. GK Junior CB CB LB DM Burger CM Manhoef CF Junho Simkin Rose Gooch Thompson Sidibe Baker Vidigal Mmaee Tezgel You’d need another CB and another wing option but past that I don’t think it’d need much more. Maybe another right back and then you have Gooch and Thompson as the back up left back. 10 new signings should be about right and we can get rid of all the ones I’ve listed and have good back ups. Not all of them will leave of course but it’s no odds if they did.
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Post by thornestein on May 2, 2024 6:55:05 GMT
Calling Bayern an ignoramus is being kind. It’s hard to imagine how he gets on with the unfortunate individuals who are forced to cross his path in his everyday life. What is stupid is that people seemingly don’t want to rip apart a squad that nearly relegated us. It’s like it never happened. If all these players were worth keeping the season we just had wouldn’t have happened. It’s absolutely mental. a few weeks ago ppl were sticking up for the manager saying it was the shit squad he inherited, now most ppl want to resign them , you can’t make this shit up 😂🤣😂😁
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Post by jeycov on May 2, 2024 6:58:00 GMT
We've heard nothing but "this manager can't be expected to do anything with this dreadful squad" for months now yet the same people are getting cold feet when talking about ripping it up. It's got to be a minimum of 10 out, 10 in surely? The usual people that can’t look past the end of their noses. McNally and Hoever have been slated all season. One of them has a good month and I’m not sure what McNally has done and suddenly both are worth keeping. It’s absolutely mad. Irrational thinking made by emotion. All about different opinions- I’d keep Hoever, ideally play him further up the pitch He has lots of potential We’re a championship club, been in the bottom half of this league for a while Realistically, we would be extremely fortunate to attract a lot of better players this summer, moving some other players on a bigger priority
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Post by biglad180 on May 2, 2024 6:59:52 GMT
the best wave goodbye saturday for me would be Birmingham relegated
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 2, 2024 7:00:38 GMT
What is stupid is that people seemingly don’t want to rip apart a squad that nearly relegated us. It’s like it never happened. If all these players were worth keeping the season we just had wouldn’t have happened. It’s absolutely mental. a few weeks ago ppl were sticking up for the manager saying it was the shit squad he inherited, now most ppl want to resign them , you can’t make this shit up 😂🤣😂😁 It’s the standard shit from the usual suspects who can’t see past the last result. The bigger picture doesn’t come into it. It’s absolutely bizarre. But happens all the time. Emotion needs to be taken out of the equation and you have to look at the season as a whole. We’ve had two players imo play ok to well and the rest have been poor. And that kind of tallies as to why we’re only safe with a game to go. Bar Burger and Junho I can’t see why anyone would overly want to keep any of them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 2, 2024 7:02:14 GMT
The usual people that can’t look past the end of their noses. McNally and Hoever have been slated all season. One of them has a good month and I’m not sure what McNally has done and suddenly both are worth keeping. It’s absolutely mad. Irrational thinking made by emotion. All about different opinions- I’d keep Hoever, ideally play him further up the pitch He has lots of potential We’re a championship club, been in the bottom half of this league for a while Realistically, we would be extremely fortunate to attract a lot of better players this summer, moving some other players on a bigger priority We’ve got a right winger that we just spent 3m on, we don’t need him playing further up the pitch. We need a right back.
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Post by apb1 on May 2, 2024 7:23:21 GMT
So let's be realistic at least 8-9 will be off.
Haks had not much impact, Clark none, Wesley two deflected goals but clearly useless. They're all gone. The four more regular playing loanees: Hoever, McNally, Cundle and Iversen I wouldn't be arsed if they go (I do like Hoever's impact on our attacking but we should develop Junior maybe. Worry is his injury record so far plus bit of a headless chicken, but he's our headless injury prone chicken.)
Stevens can go, Thompson and Campbell I'd keep. Thompson used to be awful but he's dependable back up now. Campbell seems to have impressed the coach, and he's potentially a useful player to have.
Johnson will obviously be recycled somewhere, if we can find anyone to match our wages. Laurent does my head in and I'd release him, and let Vidigal go too. He only really shone in about 3 games.
We badly need new people, and
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Post by chad on May 2, 2024 7:25:59 GMT
No-ones mentioned our current longest serving player - Tom Edwards.. He's been at Stoke since he was 11, is only 25yrs old but seems like he's been about forever! His 4½ year contract he signed in 2019 is about to expire as well this summer. Weird thinking the last time Edwards started for Stoke was for Michael O'Neil during the early part of the 2019/20 season! Can't imagine he'd have been on a massive deal with us, but he's another one of the 'Under contract' players to us we can soon relinquish. Seemed to have such a promising career ahead of him at one point but one can only guess where his future lies going forward.. I always quite liked him, but he’s hardly got a start for Huddersfield so I doubt he’s going to be much use to us
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 2, 2024 7:37:47 GMT
Other than Junho, Burger, Manheof and Thompson, the rest can go!!! Be careful what you wish for turfy. Remember last summer with was it 19 new signings and loanees that took AN months to get them "gelled" & sort out his strongest 11 which he failed to do.
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Post by mickstupp on May 2, 2024 7:45:46 GMT
Other than Junho, Burger, Manheof and Thompson, the rest can go!!! Be careful what you wish for turfy. Remember last summer with was it 19 new signings and loanees that took AN months to get them "gelled" & sort out his strongest 11 which he failed to do. Yep, another complete rebuild is unrealistic. Move on all loans and most of the out of contract players and bring in 5/6 players of quality straight through the spine of the team who can improve the starting eleven. No squad players, or prospects who may or may not be useful in two years.
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Post by Pugsley on May 2, 2024 7:52:54 GMT
Pearson and Johnson, the last of the Preston mafia who have fucked us over. Gallagher as well.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 2, 2024 7:54:43 GMT
I'm sure it'll be thelast we'll see of Hoever in a Stoke shirt, McNally probably won't be here next season, if the rumours are true then Iverson won't be returning, Stevens is probably going to be released, Campbell will leave, Wesley will leave, Haksabanovic will leave, Cundle may have another year on loan here as Shuey does like him, Ciaran Clark will leave. Then we'll have the likes of Johnson who could be sold (or given a free), Pearson and McCarron could be sold and Andre Vidigal may be a surprise addition to the list. Thompson has an optional year which I think will be triggered. But like last year there will be a lot to do in the summer transfer window. Roll on the summer transfer thread! Gouranga. I think that's a pretty good assessment. If we have the sort of turnover some are suggesting we will be back to square one and the usual suspects will be moaning about a shit manager and a shit squad after another relegation battle as yet another unfamiliar squad struggle to find their feet in the Championship. We have had a shit season but there have been signs recently of something coming together. I think we should be building on what we have, not ripping up and starting again.
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Post by firfuxache on May 2, 2024 7:59:42 GMT
Other than Junho, Burger, Manheof and Thompson, the rest can go!!! Be careful what you wish for turfy. Remember last summer with was it 19 new signings and loanees that took AN months to get them "gelled" & sort out his strongest 11 which he failed to do. The problem last summer was we had a manager only motivated by money, no real record at this level apart from treading water and a bloke with no footballing background. JC opened the cheque book and the dastardly duo just went off like an episode of super market sweep. There seemed absolutely no plan to their purchases with the exception of Burger, Junho and to an extent Junior. This summer has to be different (which I believe it will be) we have to pay massive attention to ability AND character. Sometimes, especially in this league, effort can be as important as ability. Neil and Martin had no clear plan of what they wanted to achieve. With Schumacher and Walters I’m convinced and more than hopeful that they’ll get the bulk of the recruitment right. Here’s to a better season…
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 2, 2024 7:59:56 GMT
I'm sure it'll be thelast we'll see of Hoever in a Stoke shirt, McNally probably won't be here next season, if the rumours are true then Iverson won't be returning, Stevens is probably going to be released, Campbell will leave, Wesley will leave, Haksabanovic will leave, Cundle may have another year on loan here as Shuey does like him, Ciaran Clark will leave. Then we'll have the likes of Johnson who could be sold (or given a free), Pearson and McCarron could be sold and Andre Vidigal may be a surprise addition to the list. Thompson has an optional year which I think will be triggered. But like last year there will be a lot to do in the summer transfer window. Roll on the summer transfer thread! Gouranga. I think that's a pretty good assessment. If we have the sort of turnover some are suggesting we will be back to square one and the usual suspects will be moaning about a shit manager and a shit squad after another relegation battle as yet another unfamiliar squad struggle to find their feet in the Championship. We have had a shit season but there have been signs recently of something coming together. I think we should be building on what we have, not ripping up and starting again. We need to go back to square one 🤣 Let’s build on a group that nearly got us relegated. Hahahahahhaaha
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