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Post by femark on Apr 18, 2024 15:25:29 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 18, 2024 15:45:35 GMT
Sounds too complex all that to be honest. I've been thinking recently that the ref should be able to stop the clock when he feels time is being wasted or injuries are being seen to. Seems to work quite well in rugby...
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Post by skip on Apr 18, 2024 15:49:34 GMT
Someone gets properly crocked isn't go to limp off for two minutes.
Someone feigns injury will just feign it even more.
The stretcher bearers will become comedy gold.
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Post by pretzel on Apr 18, 2024 16:19:57 GMT
Someone gets properly crocked isn't go to limp off for two minutes. Someone feigns injury will just feign it even more. The stretcher bearers will become comedy gold. If they stay down for 5 minutes, make them stay off for 5 minutes. It always annoys me how these injuries can keep the players on the deck for ages, then suddenly they're able to spring to their feet and play on as if nothing's happened. If they're that injured they can do their recovery pitchside or be replaced by a sub.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Apr 18, 2024 16:24:45 GMT
Or, now I know I’m probably asking for far too much here, but maybe the match officials could just do their job properly?
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Post by hotterpotter on Apr 18, 2024 21:38:04 GMT
Or, now I know I’m probably asking for far too much here, but maybe the match officials could just do their job properly? It's incredibly hard to measure how long a stoppage/purposefully slow action takes and add it on to the end of the match. Apparently science is very close to inventing a device that will enable such a measurement to be taken.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 18, 2024 22:15:23 GMT
Sounds too complex all that to be honest. I've been thinking recently that the ref should be able to stop the clock when he feels time is being wasted or injuries are being seen to. Seems to work quite well in rugby... I've always wondered why football doesn't adopt the rugby method. There is probably some good reason that I don't know about.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 18, 2024 22:20:23 GMT
Sounds too complex all that to be honest. I've been thinking recently that the ref should be able to stop the clock when he feels time is being wasted or injuries are being seen to. Seems to work quite well in rugby... I've always wondered why football doesn't adopt the rugby method. There is probably some good reason that I don't know about. I can't think of a good reason why they don't adopt it. It could absolutely rid the game of time wasting and cancel the advantage that the dark arts cheats benefit from..
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Post by kidcrewbob on Apr 19, 2024 3:11:40 GMT
I've always wondered why football doesn't adopt the rugby method. There is probably some good reason that I don't know about. I can't think of a good reason why they don't adopt it. It could absolutely rid the game of time wasting and cancel the advantage that the dark arts cheats benefit from.. It’s all about control “they” want to keep it (timekeeping) vague and random so “they” can dictate an outcome (of how long to add or when to implement time wasting sanctions) based on “their” interpretation on the day - used to infuriate me when x mins we’re added but the stadium clock stopped at 90 - simple independent clock stopping policy (for all dead ball situations IMHO but would settle for a subset) would ensure we, the paying public, get closer to 90 mins of actual game time rather than the 50-60 we see week in and out.
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Post by xchpotter on Apr 19, 2024 5:39:54 GMT
Sounds too complex all that to be honest. I've been thinking recently that the ref should be able to stop the clock when he feels time is being wasted or injuries are being seen to. Seems to work quite well in rugby... I've always wondered why football doesn't adopt the rugby method. There is probably some good reason that I don't know about. Maybe it’s because footballers are fannies and they could end up with a serious finger nail injury or displacement of their hair cut if they didn’t have immediate access to a full emergency care team 😁
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 19, 2024 6:40:18 GMT
The substitution one is just excellent. It makes a lot of sense. No doubt they diving and crying one will be abused somehow.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 19, 2024 7:42:06 GMT
Separate time keeping. When the ball is in play, taking throw ins, corners & free kicks then the clock ticks, throw ins a 15 seconds slot should be allowed and for free kicks and corners 30 seconds. Anything else the clock stops, it’s so simple but, as usual, football complicates everything. When time keeping was trialed few years ago it was even complicated by allowing time keepers a 10% leeway either way ffs.
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Post by Veritas on Apr 19, 2024 9:02:59 GMT
Separate time keeping. When the ball is in play, taking throw ins, corners & free kicks then the clock ticks, throw ins a 15 seconds slot should be allowed and for free kicks and corners 30 seconds. Anything else the clock stops, it’s so simple but, as usual, football complicates everything. When time keeping was trialed few years ago it was even complicated by allowing time keepers a 10% leeway either way ffs. Simple and effective solution, the one worry I would have is refs abdicating responsibility and just relying on the clock being stopped. As well as the time wasting aspect there is the aspect of killing momentum so refs would still need to ignore any "injury" that is obviously not serious and manage the situation by booking anyone wasting time.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Apr 19, 2024 9:20:50 GMT
We already have the substitute rule here, they should leave the pitch at the shortest route... they still amble across the pitch to the dugout wasting loads of time does my head in..
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 19, 2024 9:26:51 GMT
We already have the substitute rule here, they should leave the pitch at the shortest route... they still amble across the pitch to the dugout wasting loads of time does my head in.. To be fair I understand why players don't want to take a trip all the way around a pitch if there's a very hostile home crowd giving the away team pelters. Always the chance some moron will chuck a zippo lighter or a 2 quid coin at you... They should however run off the pitch though. None of this extra slow walking shit. If you walk off it's an automatic 60 second add on in time. The real problem is the refs actually applying the law consistently..
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 19, 2024 9:32:09 GMT
If a player is down for more than 5 mins.
He has to be subbed injured or not.
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Post by StokieDJC on Apr 19, 2024 9:44:00 GMT
Separate time keeping. When the ball is in play, taking throw ins, corners & free kicks then the clock ticks, throw ins a 15 seconds slot should be allowed and for free kicks and corners 30 seconds. Anything else the clock stops, it’s so simple but, as usual, football complicates everything. When time keeping was trialed few years ago it was even complicated by allowing time keepers a 10% leeway either way ffs. For the richest sport in the world we aren’t half miles behind in the technology stakes. Like you say keep the clock ticking for throw ins, free kicks, corners and stop for injuries and subs. It really isn’t that complicated.
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Post by idle on Apr 19, 2024 10:17:13 GMT
Sounds too complex all that to be honest. I've been thinking recently that the ref should be able to stop the clock when he feels time is being wasted or injuries are being seen to. Seems to work quite well in rugby... Because the main problem is that football isn't like the start-stop plays that Rugby is, even if Rugby is better than American Handegg. The big problem isn't the time wasted in itself. It can take a lot of time to build up momentum for a team chasing a winner or an equalizer. If play stops for a minute every minute, the defenders gets to rest up for another wave, it stops the pace of the game. Defenders would much rather have 15 minutes added on for timewasting 15 minutes if they manage to stop play 15 times, than being forced to play for the 45+3 while constantly being attacked without getting time to get their breath back.
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Post by onionman on Apr 19, 2024 10:31:06 GMT
Eddie Howe will find a way around this.
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Post by retrostoke on Apr 19, 2024 10:35:56 GMT
Just send any goalkeeper off if he drops to the ground after catching a ball
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 19, 2024 10:39:56 GMT
Sounds too complex all that to be honest. I've been thinking recently that the ref should be able to stop the clock when he feels time is being wasted or injuries are being seen to. Seems to work quite well in rugby... Because the main problem is that football isn't like the start-stop plays that Rugby is, even if Rugby is better than American Handegg. The big problem isn't the time wasted in itself. It can take a lot of time to build up momentum for a team chasing a winner or an equalizer. If play stops for a minute every minute, the defenders gets to rest up for another wave, it stops the pace of the game. Defenders would much rather have 15 minutes added on for timewasting 15 minutes if they manage to stop play 15 times, than being forced to play for the 45+3 while constantly being attacked without getting time to get their breath back. Yeah can see where you're coming from 👍
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Post by spiderpuss on Apr 19, 2024 10:41:45 GMT
I dislike this rule altogether, a defender comes charging into my player, who requires treatment and MY player has to leave the field for 30s WTF? It should be both players or none at all. I'd like to see live subs happen instead where the game isn't stopped just to see a player trot-on-off. The new player can come on once the other has come off, no stoppages.
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Post by Scouse on Apr 19, 2024 11:21:21 GMT
We already have the substitute rule here, they should leave the pitch at the shortest route... they still amble across the pitch to the dugout wasting loads of time does my head in.. Indeed , only time players leave the pitch at the nearest point is when they’re chasing the game Wasting time over substitutions is simple to resolve ..all the referee has to say to the player leaving the pitch is if I get to your technical area before you do , I’ll send you off
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Post by lordb on Apr 19, 2024 11:24:32 GMT
We already have the substitute rule here, they should leave the pitch at the shortest route... they still amble across the pitch to the dugout wasting loads of time does my head in.. Indeed , only time players leave the pitch at the nearest point is when they’re chasing the game Wasting time over substitutions is simple to resolve ..all the referee has to say to the player leaving the pitch is if I get to your technical area before you do , I’ll send you off Thats a great idea
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 19, 2024 11:27:31 GMT
Just send any goalkeeper off if he drops to the ground after catching a ball I'm fookin with you on that one. Boils my piss into vapour that does 😠 🤬
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 19, 2024 12:30:50 GMT
Sounds too complex all that to be honest. I've been thinking recently that the ref should be able to stop the clock when he feels time is being wasted or injuries are being seen to. Seems to work quite well in rugby... I've never understood why the fourth official isn't in charge of timekeeping. Too many times especially in the first half of matches the ref hurries people up but then only adds 1 minute at the end. The other week, can't remember which match but probably Huddersfield, first half there was injury when a trainer came on, wasting time at throw ins and free kicks, changing balls, at least two bookings and a goal etc and the added time was one minute. I get that it's at the discretion of the ref when he stops his watch but sometimes I think they are too tied up in the moment to do it.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 19, 2024 12:39:02 GMT
Having said all this the most annoying thing about time wasting is when the opposition come to time waste from the very beginning, getting worse as the game proceeds, score a goal and it becomes ridiculous and the by some miracle we score twice, get in the lead and all of a sudden the opposition are in a rush and the board goes up with 9 minutes on it. So the team that have been wasting all the time get the benefit of the nine minutes they have wasted. Seems nonsensical and the most nail biting ten minutes of the afternoon.
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Post by hotterpotter on Apr 19, 2024 18:00:21 GMT
Just send any goalkeeper off if he drops to the ground after catching a ball Including ours! Time wasting bastards the lot of them 😀
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Post by lordb on Apr 19, 2024 19:44:33 GMT
Sounds too complex all that to be honest. I've been thinking recently that the ref should be able to stop the clock when he feels time is being wasted or injuries are being seen to. Seems to work quite well in rugby... I've never understood why the fourth official isn't in charge of timekeeping. Too many times especially in the first half of matches the ref hurries people up but then only adds 1 minute at the end. The other week, can't remember which match but probably Huddersfield, first half there was injury when a trainer came on, wasting time at throw ins and free kicks, changing balls, at least two bookings and a goal etc and the added time was one minute. I get that it's at the discretion of the ref when he stops his watch but sometimes I think they are too tied up in the moment to do it. It's because the managers and coaches would then harrass the 4tg official far more than the players get to do with the ref on the pitch Would have to be a 5th person in the stand away from interference
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 19, 2024 19:48:49 GMT
Separate time keeping. When the ball is in play, taking throw ins, corners & free kicks then the clock ticks, throw ins a 15 seconds slot should be allowed and for free kicks and corners 30 seconds. Anything else the clock stops, it’s so simple but, as usual, football complicates everything. When time keeping was trialed few years ago it was even complicated by allowing time keepers a 10% leeway either way ffs. Simple and effective solution, the one worry I would have is refs abdicating responsibility and just relying on the clock being stopped. As well as the time wasting aspect there is the aspect of killing momentum so refs would still need to ignore any "injury" that is obviously not serious and manage the situation by booking anyone wasting time. What they really should do is hire independent physios. If the physio comes on and says nothing is wrong with him, play should be instantly restarted and the player should be booked. I always felt that Soccer AM could have done a better job at tackling it simply by running segments that had players dive and fein injury. Create an atmosphere where it’s deemed as cowardly and pathetic to cheat. Having fans get on their backs for it instead of happily accepting the cheating would help as well.
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