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Post by felonious on Apr 16, 2024 12:22:29 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 16, 2024 12:35:08 GMT
So soon we'll be seeing kids getting criminal records for selling 20 benny hedgehogs 😆 🤣 genius idea...ffs. Good job we have loads of capacity in the criminal justice system!!! |
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Post by Eggybread on Apr 16, 2024 12:37:33 GMT
Going Underground,as The Jam would say.More blackmarket and more criminals.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 16, 2024 13:19:29 GMT
It's fucking ludicrous. How is that boffin Chris 'never lived in the real world' Witty still pushing his agendas.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 16, 2024 13:24:14 GMT
Don’t see how it’s going to work out. Obesity is more of a drain on the healthcare system than smoking. Perhaps fast food chains could be outlawed next?
If adults want to smoke - let them.
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Apr 16, 2024 14:27:32 GMT
So...someone today who is 15 will never be able to buy cigs, but someone who is 16 will...
In 30 years the 15 yr old is 45, and still cant buy cigs, yet the now 46 yr old still can...Will they be ID checking everyone then that buys cigs in the future.
Eventually as the people allowed to smoke dwindles each year production will cease.
I can just see in say 80 years time, when the last smoker, then aged 96 dies, the whole industry would grind to a halt...
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Post by frasier37 on Apr 16, 2024 14:44:45 GMT
If it saves a few lives its fine...sad for the ones who ignore it and start I suppose
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 16, 2024 14:56:01 GMT
So...someone today who is 15 will never be able to buy cigs, but someone who is 16 will... In 30 years the 15 yr old is 45, and still cant buy cigs, yet the now 46 yr old still can...Will they be ID checking everyone then that buys cigs in the future. Eventually as the people allowed to smoke dwindles each year production will cease. I can just see in say 80 years time, when the last smoker, then aged 96 dies, the whole industry would grind to a halt... I just can't see how it can be practical that an entire generation of people grow up with different consumer rights depending on which side of an arbitrary line they were born on, to the extent that they could be committing a crime if they attempt to do something that people a few days/weeks/years older than them are permitted to do completely legally - for their whole lives. It's a perfectly logical idea but can it really be implemented in practice..? |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 16, 2024 15:00:46 GMT
Gen alpha? So correct me if I’m wrong, Gen Alpha, born after 2009, are the offspring of Gen Z born in 2001. So what are Millenials? Being 71 and born in 1953, what am I called and not allowed to purchase?
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Post by adri2008 on Apr 16, 2024 15:13:23 GMT
It's not practical to enforce it right now but I guess 10 years down the line, it's going to be obvious if someone is 16 rather than 26. Not sure there would really be massive black market demand for cigarettes either further down the line? - As an ex-smoker, the pleasure was more about relieving a craving rather than really enjoying a fag. Not something I miss.
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Post by lurcherman on Apr 16, 2024 15:25:42 GMT
I thought the problem with kids was they're mostly fat little fuckers obese. Maybe if they all had a fag they wouldn't want keep going Mc'donalds and kfc  |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Apr 16, 2024 15:50:20 GMT
So...someone today who is 15 will never be able to buy cigs, but someone who is 16 will... In 30 years the 15 yr old is 45, and still cant buy cigs, yet the now 46 yr old still can...Will they be ID checking everyone then that buys cigs in the future. Eventually as the people allowed to smoke dwindles each year production will cease. I can just see in say 80 years time, when the last smoker, then aged 96 dies, the whole industry would grind to a halt... I just can't see how it can be practical that an entire generation of people grow up with different consumer rights depending on which side of an arbitrary line they were born on, to the extent that they could be committing a crime if they attempt to do something that people a few days/weeks/years older than them are permitted to do completely legally - for their whole lives. It's a perfectly logical idea but can it really be implemented in practice..? New Zealand were due to introduce such a ban this year but recently backtracked. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 16, 2024 16:26:31 GMT
This one really hasn’t been thought through
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 16, 2024 20:02:58 GMT
This one really hasn’t been thought through To be fair, that's nothing new with this lot! |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 16, 2024 20:05:19 GMT
This one really hasn’t been thought through To be fair, that's nothing new with this lot! I mean it’s primary school stuff. Don’t they have meetings and things? It’s got to the point where I feel superior to politicians in mindset and thought! Christ almighty🤦🏻♂️ |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 16, 2024 20:06:58 GMT
Can anyone even afford a pack of fags nowadays?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 16, 2024 20:07:57 GMT
Can anyone even afford a pack of fags nowadays? Yeh benefit cheats and illegal immigrants 🤔 |
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Post by lurcherman on Apr 16, 2024 20:14:23 GMT
I wonder if there was a set of twins born either side of midnight on new year, ones birthday is 31st Dec and the others on the 1st Jan. One can buy fags and the other can't |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 16, 2024 20:44:03 GMT
I wonder if there was a set of twins born either side of midnight on new year, ones birthday is 31st Dec and the others on the 1st Jan. One can buy fags and the other can't They don’t really give a fuck, just making stuff up as they go along thinking they’re winning votes |
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Post by mtrstudent on Apr 16, 2024 21:05:36 GMT
I wonder if there was a set of twins born either side of midnight on new year, ones birthday is 31st Dec and the others on the 1st Jan. One can buy fags and the other can't They don’t really give a fuck, just making stuff up as they go along thinking they’re winning votes Who's gonna change their vote for this?! "Well I was pissed about the police bill and migration but now you can't sell fags to teens I've changed my mind". |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 16, 2024 21:06:22 GMT
They don’t really give a fuck, just making stuff up as they go along thinking they’re winning votes Who's gonna change their vote for this?! U turn incoming, trust the badger |
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Post by lordb on Apr 16, 2024 21:07:28 GMT
I can't stand smoking it's fucking rank
However this proposal is bizarre
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Post by wannabee on Apr 16, 2024 21:09:55 GMT
People who reach 18 no longer treated as Adults to make own decisions
As an ex-Smoker now Vaper I don't encourage anyone to do either mind
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Post by tuum on Apr 16, 2024 21:15:29 GMT
Don’t see how it’s going to work out. Obesity is more of a drain on the healthcare system than smoking. Perhaps fast food chains could be outlawed next? If adults want to smoke - let them. It's a difficult one. It seems to have the support of organisations and individuals in the health sector. It is the biggest preventable burden on the NHS. I suppose the end game is to ban smoking full stop. A move which would improve the collective health of the UK but probably see individuals who are working pay more tax if the govt loses revenue from tobacco companies? Making smoking illegal would push the sale of tobacco underground and create a few more smugglers but probably still reduce the number of smoking related illnesses on the NHS. I assume the Govt has analysed the pros and cons and decided that the cost savings to the NHS and an improvement in the health of it's citizens outweighs the social cost of more criminals etc. If this goes through then why not sugar, alcohol, fast food joints etc. All of these are preventable burdens on the NHS. If you want to try and rationalise it to take the emotion out of the debate is it any different really to the seat belt laws that were introduced 40 years ago? Wasn't that law also an attack on our freedom to choose? I appreciate that the seat belt laws were never likely to create a black market to satisfy demand. Not sure where I stand on this one. It doesn't affect me as I don't smoke but I understand the reasoning. Just not sure if it is the thin end of a wedge and that there may be a better alternative. |
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Post by Gods on Apr 16, 2024 21:24:57 GMT
So...someone today who is 15 will never be able to buy cigs, but someone who is 16 will... In 30 years the 15 yr old is 45, and still cant buy cigs, yet the now 46 yr old still can...Will they be ID checking everyone then that buys cigs in the future. Eventually as the people allowed to smoke dwindles each year production will cease. I can just see in say 80 years time, when the last smoker, then aged 96 dies, the whole industry would grind to a halt... I think that's exactly the hope. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Apr 16, 2024 21:25:25 GMT
The way this country is going some far right government will get into power and change it back so seems rather pointless
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Post by lordb on Apr 16, 2024 21:25:38 GMT
Don’t see how it’s going to work out. Obesity is more of a drain on the healthcare system than smoking. Perhaps fast food chains could be outlawed next? If adults want to smoke - let them. It's a difficult one. It seems to have the support of organisations and individuals in the health sector. It is the biggest preventable burden on the NHS. I suppose the end game is to ban smoking full stop. A move which would improve the collective health of the UK but probably see individuals who are working pay more tax if the govt loses revenue from tobacco companies? Making smoking illegal would push the sale of tobacco underground and create a few more smugglers but probably still reduce the number of smoking related illnesses on the NHS. I assume the Govt has analysed the pros and cons and decided that the cost savings to the NHS and an improvement in the health of it's citizens outweighs the social cost of more criminals etc. If this goes through then why not sugar, alcohol, fast food joints etc. All of these are preventable burdens on the NHS. If you want to try and rationalise it to take the emotion out of the debate is it any different really to the seat belt laws that were introduced 40 years ago? Wasn't that law also an attack on our freedom to choose? I appreciate that the seat belt laws were never likely to create a black market to satisfy demand. Not sure where I stand on this one. It doesn't affect me as I don't smoke but I understand the reasoning. Just not sure if it is the thin end of a wedge and that there may be a better alternative. If going to ban smoking then ban smoking, this an odd way to do it |
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Post by Gods on Apr 16, 2024 21:29:46 GMT
People who reach 18 no longer treated as Adults to make own decisions As an ex-Smoker now Vaper I don't encourage anyone to do either mind The argument goes that once addicted you are not making your own decisions anyway. But then you might say everyone should have the freedom to choose to get addicted to something which will ultimately kill them. I must admit I'm kind of torn on this one. I don't buy the NHS cost savings argument, non-smokers will still die, just later on, of something else , after 10 more years of consuming NHS resources. |
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Post by Gods on Apr 16, 2024 21:31:17 GMT
It's a difficult one. It seems to have the support of organisations and individuals in the health sector. It is the biggest preventable burden on the NHS. I suppose the end game is to ban smoking full stop. A move which would improve the collective health of the UK but probably see individuals who are working pay more tax if the govt loses revenue from tobacco companies? Making smoking illegal would push the sale of tobacco underground and create a few more smugglers but probably still reduce the number of smoking related illnesses on the NHS. I assume the Govt has analysed the pros and cons and decided that the cost savings to the NHS and an improvement in the health of it's citizens outweighs the social cost of more criminals etc. If this goes through then why not sugar, alcohol, fast food joints etc. All of these are preventable burdens on the NHS. If you want to try and rationalise it to take the emotion out of the debate is it any different really to the seat belt laws that were introduced 40 years ago? Wasn't that law also an attack on our freedom to choose? I appreciate that the seat belt laws were never likely to create a black market to satisfy demand. Not sure where I stand on this one. It doesn't affect me as I don't smoke but I understand the reasoning. Just not sure if it is the thin end of a wedge and that there may be a better alternative. If going to ban smoking then ban smoking, this an odd way to do it Is it!? You can't seriously ban smoking for those already addicted. This is about preventing those not addicted from ever starting. |
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Post by lordb on Apr 16, 2024 21:34:07 GMT
If going to ban smoking then ban smoking, this an odd way to do it Is it!? You can't seriously ban smoking for those already addicted. This is about preventing those not addicted from ever starting. OK take that point |
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