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Post by nott1 on Apr 15, 2024 7:57:42 GMT
Anyone else had a shock when seeing a quote to to renew the wet cambelt on these cars? It's a bloody scandal! It's takes nine hours to change one plus also at the same time a new water pump is required. Most independant garages can't do it as they need special tools which cost along with the parts several hundred quid. This engine was designed so that the cambelt would last the life of the car but it transpires that problems have made Ford change that advice to 150k miles OR TEN YEARS whichever comes SOONER, and a lot of these cars are now in the ten year bracket. Mine has done only 30k miles and my mechanic did a 10 yr old one last week at only 20k miles. THE COST? £1200.00 POUNDS. Ford will not do a recall despite doing some in America, and the TV show Watchdog are at this moment gathering info ahead of a documentary.
My advice.....don't buy a second hand Ford at least without proof the cambelt has been changed. I WILL NOT BUY ANOTHER FORD.....EVER!
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Post by pretzel on Apr 15, 2024 9:07:02 GMT
Is this the three cylinder engine that's in loads of different makes of car now?
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Post by gawa on Apr 15, 2024 9:21:16 GMT
Think it's a known issue with the cars as when I was researching buying a car people were telling me to avoid those engines in ford's.
Mine does have some eco stuff but it's not the ecoboost engine which has the issues.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 15, 2024 9:58:45 GMT
Is this the three cylinder engine that's in loads of different makes of car now? It's the three cylinder 1litre ecoboost engine, not sure how many cars have it but most fiestas and some focus cars for the last approx 12 years have it fitted. I think the latest focus cars now have a chain version. I would think Ford stopped selling Fiestas partly because of the possible problems associated with the engine. I do think Ford should be giving compo to anyone effected! Don't think we have heard the last of this because there will be thousands of people in the next few years who will have to face this issue. It has been a top seller for years and is otherwise highly rated by most if not all the motoring press. Until now I have been very satisfied with mine which is the 100 brake horse model. sooner The problem is that the cambelt is a wet one as it travels through the sump oil and may degrade sooner and block filters with bits falling off. |
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Post by farnborostokie63 on Apr 15, 2024 10:53:25 GMT
My Transit custom is 7 years old with 22,000 miles, needs a new Cambelt due to age, its a wet belt and has delaminated, just cost £1,300 needed a new water pump,oil pump and new sump. These wet belts are a nightmare putting a belt within the oil system is plain daft.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Apr 15, 2024 11:24:57 GMT
The problem started when Ford started naming models after "top shelf" titles like Fiesta and Escort. The Razzle GTI and the Knave hatchback were particularly unreliable.
By the same token, newsagents found that the internet made it unprofitable to stock magazines like Anglia, Zephyr and Consul.
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Post by superjw on Apr 15, 2024 11:55:16 GMT
They are known as the “eco boom” because of the potential failure of these wet belts
Terrible design idea and why in gods name they couldn’t just stick to a chain. Just a money making design decision that Ford knew would require specialists and funnelling people back to a dealer for the costly servicing
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Post by nott1 on Apr 15, 2024 15:38:27 GMT
They are known as the “eco boom” because of the potential failure of these wet belts Terrible design idea and why in gods name they couldn’t just stick to a chain. Just a money making design decision that Ford knew would require specialists and funnelling people back to a dealer for the costly servicing I suppose belts have been used since they are probably a lot cheaper than chains? I doubt the customers would want them if asked! |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 15, 2024 16:27:40 GMT
They are known as the “eco boom” because of the potential failure of these wet belts Terrible design idea and why in gods name they couldn’t just stick to a chain. Just a money making design decision that Ford knew would require specialists and funnelling people back to a dealer for the costly servicing I suppose belts have been used since they are probably a lot cheaper than chains? I doubt the customers would want them if asked! Belts have been used for decades. My old man’s 1973 Vauxhall VX490 had one. Difference then was they were not encased and very easy to access. Also a cam belt failure on petrol engines would not result in the expensive coming together of piston crowns and valves. I had similar on 1970s Ford Capris and one failed with no problem but a tow home and couple of hours replacing it. Contrast that with a cambelt failure on my Peugeot 205 GRD, which was idling outside my house, resulting in bent valve stems and bent camshaft. Cambelts these days are made from a Kevlar/neoprene composite 10x stronger than the old reinforced rubber. |
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Post by marylandstoke on Apr 15, 2024 23:05:04 GMT
Used to love a good Ford when I had been here a bit.
Never had one that did not have at least two recalls.
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Post by redstriper on Apr 16, 2024 20:42:10 GMT
I had an escort mk II back in the day when i first started doing miles for work, fine car, never let me down. I swapped it for an XR2 which was a bit classier and sportier, it looked good to thieves too, it got stolen four times in three years, piss easy to break into.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 16, 2024 20:51:37 GMT
Is this the three cylinder engine that's in loads of different makes of car now? It's the three cylinder 1litre ecoboost engine, not sure how many cars have it but most fiestas and some focus cars for the last approx 12 years have it fitted. I think the latest focus cars now have a chain version. I would think Ford stopped selling Fiestas partly because of the possible problems associated with the engine. I do think Ford should be giving compo to anyone effected! Don't think we have heard the last of this because there will be thousands of people in the next few years who will have to face this issue. It has been a top seller for years and is otherwise highly rated by most if not all the motoring press. Until now I have been very satisfied with mine which is the 100 brake horse model. sooner The problem is that the cambelt is a wet one as it travels through the sump oil and may degrade sooner and block filters with bits falling off. My missus fiesta is 10 years old and won’t have been changed. Wasn’t aware of this… Is it just the 1 litre? Hers is the 1.4. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 16, 2024 21:58:29 GMT
It's the three cylinder 1litre ecoboost engine, not sure how many cars have it but most fiestas and some focus cars for the last approx 12 years have it fitted. I think the latest focus cars now have a chain version. I would think Ford stopped selling Fiestas partly because of the possible problems associated with the engine. I do think Ford should be giving compo to anyone effected! Don't think we have heard the last of this because there will be thousands of people in the next few years who will have to face this issue. It has been a top seller for years and is otherwise highly rated by most if not all the motoring press. Until now I have been very satisfied with mine which is the 100 brake horse model. sooner The problem is that the cambelt is a wet one as it travels through the sump oil and may degrade sooner and block filters with bits falling off. My missus fiesta is 10 years old and won’t have been changed. Wasn’t aware of this… Is it just the 1 litre? Hers is the 1.4. It's just the 3 cylinder cars. |
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Post by str8outtahampton on Apr 16, 2024 22:17:13 GMT
No more than a coincidence. Obviously. But literally no-one on this thread has ever had a relationship with a woman. Or with a man either, come to that. Not so much as a peck on the cheek.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 17, 2024 7:00:12 GMT
No more than a coincidence. Obviously. But literally no-one on this thread has ever had a relationship with a woman. Or with a man either, come to that. Not so much as a peck on the cheek. Apart from with your mum. |
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Post by nott1 on Apr 17, 2024 18:21:14 GMT
It's the three cylinder 1litre ecoboost engine, not sure how many cars have it but most fiestas and some focus cars for the last approx 12 years have it fitted. I think the latest focus cars now have a chain version. I would think Ford stopped selling Fiestas partly because of the possible problems associated with the engine. I do think Ford should be giving compo to anyone effected! Don't think we have heard the last of this because there will be thousands of people in the next few years who will have to face this issue. It has been a top seller for years and is otherwise highly rated by most if not all the motoring press. Until now I have been very satisfied with mine which is the 100 brake horse model. sooner The problem is that the cambelt is a wet one as it travels through the sump oil and may degrade sooner and block filters with bits falling off. My missus fiesta is 10 years old and won’t have been changed. Wasn’t aware of this… Is it just the 1 litre? Hers is the 1.4. Think you are ok mate it is the 1 litre turbo ecoboost engine. |
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Post by nott1 on Apr 17, 2024 18:23:36 GMT
No more than a coincidence. Obviously. But literally no-one on this thread has ever had a relationship with a woman. Or with a man either, come to that. Not so much as a peck on the cheek. Your comment not appreciated..my WIFE passed away in January!  |
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Post by str8outtahampton on Apr 17, 2024 21:25:10 GMT
No more than a coincidence. Obviously. But literally no-one on this thread has ever had a relationship with a woman. Or with a man either, come to that. Not so much as a peck on the cheek. Your comment not appreciated..my WIFE passed away in January! Blimey, sincere apologies mate. I feel awful for posting such a throwaway line. Genuinely sorry for your loss. |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 17, 2024 21:28:23 GMT
Had to Google. So a wet Cam belt is just a belt inside the engine? Why not use a chain?
Great con lol. At least an exterior cambelt is easy enough to replace lol.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 17, 2024 21:29:50 GMT
They are known as the “eco boom” because of the potential failure of these wet belts Terrible design idea and why in gods name they couldn’t just stick to a chain. Just a money making design decision that Ford knew would require specialists and funnelling people back to a dealer for the costly servicing I suppose belts have been used since they are probably a lot cheaper than chains? I doubt the customers would want them if asked! External belts are great. These wet belts are hilarious bullshit lol. |
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Post by nott1 on Apr 18, 2024 17:41:53 GMT
Had a new cam belt fitted yesterday and today...yes it needed two days to finish the job....£1200.00 Vat included.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 18, 2024 18:09:45 GMT
Had a new cam belt fitted yesterday and today...yes it needed two days to finish the job....£1200.00 Vat included. I'm confused how submerging a rubber belt in oil actually benefits it... I guess the engineers behind them could explain. |
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Post by pretzel on Apr 18, 2024 18:26:43 GMT
Had a new cam belt fitted yesterday and today...yes it needed two days to finish the job....£1200.00 Vat included. Where did you have it done mate, was it a main dealer? Did you investigate various garage services? My daughter (who strangely enough was conceived as a result of a relationship) has a 2013 Fiesta with that engine, so this was news to me of the 'not so good' kind. Wonder if some financial crusaders (like the PPI, Waspi's etc) will try to take Ford through the courts to get compensation for the hundreds of thousands who will be adversely affected worldwide? |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 19, 2024 20:50:12 GMT
Had a new cam belt fitted yesterday and today...yes it needed two days to finish the job....£1200.00 Vat included. Had an old style cambelt, rollers, tensioners, water pump, an oil change and aux belt today. £550 I've been reading up on them since I found this thread. Apparently missing an oil change interval by only a few months can be absolutely catastrophic as it causes the rubber to break down.... Which again begs the question.... How is submerging a rubber belt in oil better for it than putting it on the outside? I remember the old Duratec and Endura engines. Both chain driven. Last forever. Shame the cars rotted around them. |
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Post by nott1 on Apr 22, 2024 7:26:29 GMT
Had a new cam belt fitted yesterday and today...yes it needed two days to finish the job....£1200.00 Vat included. Had an old style cambelt, rollers, tensioners, water pump, an oil change and aux belt today. £550 I've been reading up on them since I found this thread. Apparently missing an oil change interval by only a few months can be absolutely catastrophic as it causes the rubber to break down.... Which again begs the question.... How is submerging a rubber belt in oil better for it than putting it on the outside? I remember the old Duratec and Endura engines. Both chain driven. Last forever. Shame the cars rotted around them. I agree and will never understand why chains are not compulsory as a safety measure! |
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Post by henry on Apr 22, 2024 8:06:30 GMT
Anyone else had a shock when seeing a quote to to renew the wet cambelt on these cars? It's a bloody scandal! It's takes nine hours to change one plus also at the same time a new water pump is required. Most independant garages can't do it as they need special tools which cost along with the parts several hundred quid. This engine was designed so that the cambelt would last the life of the car but it transpires that problems have made Ford change that advice to 150k miles OR TEN YEARS whichever comes SOONER, and a lot of these cars are now in the ten year bracket. Mine has done only 30k miles and my mechanic did a 10 yr old one last week at only 20k miles. THE COST? £1200.00 POUNDS. Ford will not do a recall despite doing some in America, and the TV show Watchdog are at this moment gathering info ahead of a documentary. My advice.....don't buy a second hand Ford at least without proof the cambelt has been changed. I WILL NOT BUY ANOTHER FORD.....EVER! Concerned to read this. I have a 2019 fiesta with the eco boost engine. How did you know the belt needed changing? Mine is coming up to 30k aswell ☹️ |
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Post by nott1 on Apr 22, 2024 8:43:15 GMT
Had a new cam belt fitted yesterday and today...yes it needed two days to finish the job....£1200.00 Vat included. I'm confused how submerging a rubber belt in oil actually benefits it... I guess the engineers behind them could explain. They are Kevlar not rubber. |
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Post by nott1 on Apr 22, 2024 8:47:56 GMT
Anyone else had a shock when seeing a quote to to renew the wet cambelt on these cars? It's a bloody scandal! It's takes nine hours to change one plus also at the same time a new water pump is required. Most independant garages can't do it as they need special tools which cost along with the parts several hundred quid. This engine was designed so that the cambelt would last the life of the car but it transpires that problems have made Ford change that advice to 150k miles OR TEN YEARS whichever comes SOONER, and a lot of these cars are now in the ten year bracket. Mine has done only 30k miles and my mechanic did a 10 yr old one last week at only 20k miles. THE COST? £1200.00 POUNDS. Ford will not do a recall despite doing some in America, and the TV show Watchdog are at this moment gathering info ahead of a documentary. My advice.....don't buy a second hand Ford at least without proof the cambelt has been changed. I WILL NOT BUY ANOTHER FORD.....EVER! Concerned to read this. I have a 2019 fiesta with the eco boost engine. How did you know the belt needed changing? Mine is coming up to 30k aswell ☹️ Because it is 10 years old. There was some degradation apparently when removed half blocking the oil distribution. Only done 30k miles and seviced every year by Ford! Get yours changed if high mileage or offload the car! You may be ok, but check with your garage. It is only the 1 litre petrol ecoboost engine. |
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Post by Orbs on Apr 22, 2024 10:05:32 GMT
Mine blew up last Christmas. White smoke pouring out of the exhaust. They said I’d put the wrong oil in. (Probably true TBF)
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Post by nott1 on Apr 22, 2024 10:56:18 GMT
Mine blew up last Christmas. White smoke pouring out of the exhaust. They said I’d put the wrong oil in. (Probably true TBF) I have never put a drop in mine at all, it does not use any but then I don't do a lot of miles nowadays, just 10 minutes to band pracrice twice a week and back, and the odd local grocery shop. I only did less than 2k miles last year but had it done just in case. I hate to think about the engine blowing up in the outside lane of a "smart" motorway nowadays! |
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