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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 6, 2024 22:16:29 GMT
If they did then they’re an absolute deluded fool 🤣 And you’d hope so? I’d love to know if we’ve had a psychologist in at all though. But then as I said, it’s transcended managers and squads now for so long. Even in the last season in the PL we seemed to miss far too many? Just a shocking record. The fact that it’s been the same across different managers and squads suggests it is, in some small way, a symptom of a broader culture at the club. Our consistent sub-par general performance transcends different groups of players and managers, why would it be any different for penalties Absolutely. They really need to try and get to the bottom of it and stop it. You can’t just squander them like we do.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Apr 6, 2024 22:35:39 GMT
I said two things at the time when we were awarded the penalty.
"Why are we celebrating getting a penalty? We miss the fucking things"
"This is another Charlie Adam moment. Score and we stay up."
I hate "winning" a penalty because we miss the fucking things.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 6, 2024 22:48:32 GMT
I said two things at the time when we were awarded the penalty. "Why are we celebrating getting a penalty? We miss the fucking things" "This is another Charlie Adam moment. Score and we stay up." I hate "winning" a penalty because we miss the fucking things. It was a strange old incident too. No one seemed to appeal for it despite it being a kung fu kick above the waist. I don’t think I did just because we never get decisions like that so didn’t bother 🤣🤣
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Apr 6, 2024 22:51:59 GMT
I said two things at the time when we were awarded the penalty. "Why are we celebrating getting a penalty? We miss the fucking things" "This is another Charlie Adam moment. Score and we stay up." I hate "winning" a penalty because we miss the fucking things. It was a strange old incident too. No one seemed to appeal for it despite it being a kung fu kick above the waist. I don’t think I did just because we never get decisions like that so didn’t bother 🤣🤣 Did the West Brom lad get booked for almost decapitating Campbell? The reaction in the ground was odd wasn't it? It was a "Yay we've got a penalty" mixed with a "Oh fuck, we've got a penalty" 😂
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Post by march4 on Apr 6, 2024 22:55:28 GMT
It was a strange old incident too. No one seemed to appeal for it despite it being a kung fu kick above the waist. I don’t think I did just because we never get decisions like that so didn’t bother 🤣🤣 Did the West Brom lad get booked for almost decapitating Campbell? The reaction in the ground was odd wasn't it? It was a "Yay we've got a penalty" mixed with a "Oh fuck, we've got a penalty" 😂 Around me folk were convinced we’d miss especially when Vidigal stepped up. There was no celebration at all.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 6, 2024 22:56:13 GMT
I said two things at the time when we were awarded the penalty. "Why are we celebrating getting a penalty? We miss the fucking things" "This is another Charlie Adam moment. Score and we stay up." I hate "winning" a penalty because we miss the fucking things. It was a strange old incident too. No one seemed to appeal for it despite it being a kung fu kick above the waist. I don’t think I did just because we never get decisions like that so didn’t bother 🤣🤣 Me mate turned around and said i can't watch. Normally I'm similar but today I felt so calm I just watched it all. Was like slow motion but I just knew it was going to be a goal. We'll win the fucking league next season, I'm fucking telling ye now. Forget the 8 pints I've supped, get a tenner on stoke championship champions next year and you'll make a few nicker 😆 🤣
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Apr 6, 2024 23:00:33 GMT
It was a strange old incident too. No one seemed to appeal for it despite it being a kung fu kick above the waist. I don’t think I did just because we never get decisions like that so didn’t bother 🤣🤣 Me mate turned around and said i can't watch. Normally I'm similar but today I felt so calm I just watched it all. Was like slow motion but I just knew it was going to be a goal. We'll win the fucking league next season, I'm fucking telling ye now. Forget the 8 pints I've supped, get a tenner on stoke championship champions next year and you'll make a few nicker 😆 🤣 I've never seen so many people turn away from a penalty before, it was amazing 😂 Understandable mind you.
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Apr 6, 2024 23:08:05 GMT
According to transfermarkt, our league record since the Prem relegation season is Scored 12 Missed 15 www.transfermarkt.co.uk/stoke-city/elfmeterschuetzen/verein/512/plus/0?saison_id=201723-24Scored 1 Johnson, Swansea (plus Baker v Brighton FA Cup) Missed 3 Vidigal, WBA Johnson, Blackburn Mmaee, Sheff Weds 22-23Scored 2 Baker v Hudders, QPR (plus Baker v Stevenage) Missed 1 Baker v Hudders 21-22Scored 3 Baker v Pboro, Forest, Swans Missed 2 Surridge v WBA Vrancic v Barnsley 20-21Scored 1 Fletcher v Hudders Missed 1 Vokes v Cardiff 19-20Scored 3 Campbell v Hull Gregory v Barnsley, Fulham Missed 0 18-19Scored 2 Afobe v Villa, Leeds Missed 5 Bojan v Blackburn Vokes v Hull Clucas v PNE Berahino v Blackburn Afobe v WBA 17-18Scored 0 (plus Adam v Cov FA Cup) Missed 3 Shaqiri v Swans Adam v Brighton Berahino v Soton I was boring and look at the maths side of things to see just how unlikely this is… It looks like the average success rate for scoring a penalty is 83% for Premier League players: sqaf.club/what-percentage-of-penalties-are-scored-stats/If we assume roughly the same for the Championship… and use a binomial distribution calculator (easy to find via google), the probability a team would score more than 12 out of 27 attempts is 99.999%. (A figure so ludicrous I made sure to try more than one calculator!) I was honestly expecting to find something that suggested we were all paranoid, and that it was entirely feasible we were just seeing a bit of bad luck play out. But no. It seems we are either in the top 0.001% of unlucky teams or the top 0.001% of terrible teams when it comes to penalties! To put it into some kind of context, the cut off point to be in the worst 1% (or most unlucky 1%) seems to be 17 scored out of 27.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 6, 2024 23:08:33 GMT
It was a strange old incident too. No one seemed to appeal for it despite it being a kung fu kick above the waist. I don’t think I did just because we never get decisions like that so didn’t bother 🤣🤣 Did the West Brom lad get booked for almost decapitating Campbell? The reaction in the ground was odd wasn't it? It was a "Yay we've got a penalty" mixed with a "Oh fuck, we've got a penalty" 😂 I think he did, I still think it was a red and that’s what I was irate about at the time once it was given. Then did my usual get up and look away and look at all petrified faces and then usually make eye contact with someone (and I know this sounding weird now) and then usually both of us just laugh as we know what’s coming. It’s very strange.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Apr 6, 2024 23:14:09 GMT
Did the West Brom lad get booked for almost decapitating Campbell? The reaction in the ground was odd wasn't it? It was a "Yay we've got a penalty" mixed with a "Oh fuck, we've got a penalty" 😂 I think he did, I still think it was a red and that’s what I was irate about at the time once it was given. Then did my usual get up and look away and look at all petrified faces and then usually make eye contact with someone (and I know this sounding weird now) and then usually both of us just laugh as we know what’s coming. It’s very strange. I thought it was a red at the time as well because it was proper reckless but I thought we should've had a penalty when Mmaee was clearly shoved in the back in the first so I thought I was being OTT 😂
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 6, 2024 23:17:02 GMT
According to transfermarkt, our league record since the Prem relegation season is Scored 12 Missed 15 www.transfermarkt.co.uk/stoke-city/elfmeterschuetzen/verein/512/plus/0?saison_id=201723-24Scored 1 Johnson, Swansea (plus Baker v Brighton FA Cup) Missed 3 Vidigal, WBA Johnson, Blackburn Mmaee, Sheff Weds 22-23Scored 2 Baker v Hudders, QPR (plus Baker v Stevenage) Missed 1 Baker v Hudders 21-22Scored 3 Baker v Pboro, Forest, Swans Missed 2 Surridge v WBA Vrancic v Barnsley 20-21Scored 1 Fletcher v Hudders Missed 1 Vokes v Cardiff 19-20Scored 3 Campbell v Hull Gregory v Barnsley, Fulham Missed 0 18-19Scored 2 Afobe v Villa, Leeds Missed 5 Bojan v Blackburn Vokes v Hull Clucas v PNE Berahino v Blackburn Afobe v WBA 17-18Scored 0 (plus Adam v Cov FA Cup) Missed 3 Shaqiri v Swans Adam v Brighton Berahino v Soton I was boring and look at the maths side of things to see just how unlikely this is… It looks like the average success rate for scoring a penalty is 83% for Premier League players: sqaf.club/what-percentage-of-penalties-are-scored-stats/If we assume roughly the same for the Championship… and use a binomial distribution calculator (easy to find via google), the probability a team would score more than 12 out of 27 attempts is 99.999%. (A figure so ludicrous I made sure to try more than one calculator!) I was honestly expecting to find something that suggested we were all paranoid, and that it was entirely feasible we were just seeing a bit of bad luck play out. But no. It seems we are either in the top 0.001% of unlucky teams or the top 0.001% of terrible teams when it comes to penalties! To put it into some kind of context, the cut off point to be in the worst 1% (or most unlucky 1%) seems to be 17 scored out of 27. Good research 👏 👏 I'm still trying to understand it but on fost impression it sounds like we are both unlucky and also really shit. Yep, I already knew this 😉 😜
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 6, 2024 23:19:53 GMT
I think he did, I still think it was a red and that’s what I was irate about at the time once it was given. Then did my usual get up and look away and look at all petrified faces and then usually make eye contact with someone (and I know this sounding weird now) and then usually both of us just laugh as we know what’s coming. It’s very strange. I thought it was a red at the time as well because it was proper reckless but I thought we should've had a penalty when Mmaee was clearly shoved in the back in the first so I thought I was being OTT 😂 That looked a definite peno to me too tbh. Anywhere else on the pitch the ref makes an easy decision.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Apr 6, 2024 23:20:51 GMT
I thought it was a red at the time as well because it was proper reckless but I thought we should've had a penalty when Mmaee was clearly shoved in the back in the first so I thought I was being OTT 😂 That looked a definite peno to me too tbh. Anywhere else on the pitch the ref makes an easy decision. Exactly what I said at the time but I was told that Mmaee had made a meal of it and it was an embarrassing dive 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 6, 2024 23:21:12 GMT
According to transfermarkt, our league record since the Prem relegation season is Scored 12 Missed 15 www.transfermarkt.co.uk/stoke-city/elfmeterschuetzen/verein/512/plus/0?saison_id=201723-24Scored 1 Johnson, Swansea (plus Baker v Brighton FA Cup) Missed 3 Vidigal, WBA Johnson, Blackburn Mmaee, Sheff Weds 22-23Scored 2 Baker v Hudders, QPR (plus Baker v Stevenage) Missed 1 Baker v Hudders 21-22Scored 3 Baker v Pboro, Forest, Swans Missed 2 Surridge v WBA Vrancic v Barnsley 20-21Scored 1 Fletcher v Hudders Missed 1 Vokes v Cardiff 19-20Scored 3 Campbell v Hull Gregory v Barnsley, Fulham Missed 0 18-19Scored 2 Afobe v Villa, Leeds Missed 5 Bojan v Blackburn Vokes v Hull Clucas v PNE Berahino v Blackburn Afobe v WBA 17-18Scored 0 (plus Adam v Cov FA Cup) Missed 3 Shaqiri v Swans Adam v Brighton Berahino v Soton I was boring and look at the maths side of things to see just how unlikely this is… It looks like the average success rate for scoring a penalty is 83% for Premier League players: sqaf.club/what-percentage-of-penalties-are-scored-stats/If we assume roughly the same for the Championship… and use a binomial distribution calculator (easy to find via google), the probability a team would score more than 12 out of 27 attempts is 99.999%. (A figure so ludicrous I made sure to try more than one calculator!) I was honestly expecting to find something that suggested we were all paranoid, and that it was entirely feasible we were just seeing a bit of bad luck play out. But no. It seems we are either in the top 0.001% of unlucky teams or the top 0.001% of terrible teams when it comes to penalties! To put it into some kind of context, the cut off point to be in the worst 1% (or most unlucky 1%) seems to be 17 scored out of 27. I don’t understand most of that but I’m getting the word(s)…….what a crock of shit we are at penalties 🤣
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Apr 6, 2024 23:21:27 GMT
I was boring and look at the maths side of things to see just how unlikely this is… It looks like the average success rate for scoring a penalty is 83% for Premier League players: sqaf.club/what-percentage-of-penalties-are-scored-stats/If we assume roughly the same for the Championship… and use a binomial distribution calculator (easy to find via google), the probability a team would score more than 12 out of 27 attempts is 99.999%. (A figure so ludicrous I made sure to try more than one calculator!) I was honestly expecting to find something that suggested we were all paranoid, and that it was entirely feasible we were just seeing a bit of bad luck play out. But no. It seems we are either in the top 0.001% of unlucky teams or the top 0.001% of terrible teams when it comes to penalties! To put it into some kind of context, the cut off point to be in the worst 1% (or most unlucky 1%) seems to be 17 scored out of 27. Good research 👏 👏 I'm still trying to understand it but on fost impression it sounds like we are both unlucky and also really shit. Yep, I already knew this 😉 😜 It's stats like that where we've out stoked typical stoke stats 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 6, 2024 23:22:40 GMT
That looked a definite peno to me too tbh. Anywhere else on the pitch the ref makes an easy decision. Exactly what I said at the time but I was told that Mmaee had made a meal of it and it was an embarrassing dive 😂 I think he made a bit of a meal of it but it was a definite push and really bad defending. I always think that should be punished. I think it was one that is definitely given on the halfway line.
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Apr 6, 2024 23:24:08 GMT
I was boring and look at the maths side of things to see just how unlikely this is… It looks like the average success rate for scoring a penalty is 83% for Premier League players: sqaf.club/what-percentage-of-penalties-are-scored-stats/If we assume roughly the same for the Championship… and use a binomial distribution calculator (easy to find via google), the probability a team would score more than 12 out of 27 attempts is 99.999%. (A figure so ludicrous I made sure to try more than one calculator!) I was honestly expecting to find something that suggested we were all paranoid, and that it was entirely feasible we were just seeing a bit of bad luck play out. But no. It seems we are either in the top 0.001% of unlucky teams or the top 0.001% of terrible teams when it comes to penalties! To put it into some kind of context, the cut off point to be in the worst 1% (or most unlucky 1%) seems to be 17 scored out of 27. Good research 👏 👏 I'm still trying to understand it but on fost impression it sounds like we are both unlucky and also really shit. Yep, I already knew this 😉 😜 I honestly hope someone knows enough maths to test that out and prove me wrong, because it’s quite a sickening conclusion 😂 Essentially gather up the 100 000 best football clubs in the world, rate them on penalty taking alone, and it seems very likely we’d be close to the worst. It’s almost impressive.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Apr 6, 2024 23:24:27 GMT
Exactly what I said at the time but I was told that Mmaee had made a meal of it and it was an embarrassing dive 😂 I think he made a bit of a meal of it but it was a definite push and really bad defending. I always think that should be punished. I think it was one that is definitely given on the halfway line. Think that's the sensible balanced view of it. I was raging at the time but after watching it again, it looks theatrical but the defender has both hands on his back and shoves him which should be foul everywhere on the pitch.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 6, 2024 23:26:05 GMT
I think he made a bit of a meal of it but it was a definite push and really bad defending. I always think that should be punished. I think it was one that is definitely given on the halfway line. Think that's the sensible balanced view of it. I was raging at the time but after watching it again, it looks theatrical but the defender has both hands on his back and shoves him which should be foul everywhere on the pitch. Absolutely should. And it really fucks me off that refs don’t do it. A foul is a foul and it was definitely a foul. Where it happens shouldn’t matter.
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Apr 6, 2024 23:28:37 GMT
I was boring and look at the maths side of things to see just how unlikely this is… It looks like the average success rate for scoring a penalty is 83% for Premier League players: sqaf.club/what-percentage-of-penalties-are-scored-stats/If we assume roughly the same for the Championship… and use a binomial distribution calculator (easy to find via google), the probability a team would score more than 12 out of 27 attempts is 99.999%. (A figure so ludicrous I made sure to try more than one calculator!) I was honestly expecting to find something that suggested we were all paranoid, and that it was entirely feasible we were just seeing a bit of bad luck play out. But no. It seems we are either in the top 0.001% of unlucky teams or the top 0.001% of terrible teams when it comes to penalties! To put it into some kind of context, the cut off point to be in the worst 1% (or most unlucky 1%) seems to be 17 scored out of 27. I don’t understand most of that but I’m getting the word(s)…….what a crock of shit we are at penalties 🤣 I honestly thought I’d just find we were typical football fans, imagining our club is much worse than it actually is. But no… we seem to just be the worst club in the history of the sport.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 6, 2024 23:30:59 GMT
I don’t understand most of that but I’m getting the word(s)…….what a crock of shit we are at penalties 🤣 I honestly thought I’d just find we were typical football fans, imagining our club is much worse than it actually is. But no… we seem to just be the worst club in the history of the sport. Reassuring words, thank you 🤣
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Apr 6, 2024 23:34:11 GMT
I honestly thought I’d just find we were typical football fans, imagining our club is much worse than it actually is. But no… we seem to just be the worst club in the history of the sport. Reassuring words, thank you 🤣 I’ll make sure not to calculate how bad England are at penalty shootouts before the Euros 😂
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Post by onionman on Apr 6, 2024 23:41:08 GMT
It’s definitely nothing to do with bad luck. As England fans, we all used to think penalty shootouts were a lottery but after about 30 years of continually losing at them to superior opponents we finally realised it was a combination of poor technique and lack of composure.
The question is why can Lewis Baker and Lee Gregory look confident from the penalty spot, and every other player who’s taken a pen for Stoke in the past 7 years has stuttered up to the ball like an absolute gibbering wreck? What mystical powers have Gregory and Baker got and how can we harness that?
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 7, 2024 6:31:37 GMT
Is it really that hard to place the ball approximately half a yard away from the post and the bar? If you do you will probably score at least 9 out of 10! I've taken so many penalties in my life and I've hardly missed at all, so I really struggle to see why we are so bad at this! Must add that I have not played at a very high level though, but in principle the same counts anyway.
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Post by superpotter on Apr 7, 2024 6:43:54 GMT
It’s the fans putting them under pressure 😉😉
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 7, 2024 7:14:48 GMT
Much easier to score when Dunk isn't taking your legs away Shouldn’t have come to that though. He was so fucking slow. An old argument I know. The defender was running at full speed into the pen box before Charlie hit the ball. The tackle from behind deserved a red and another peno given. All down to piss poor ref imo.
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Post by Veritas on Apr 7, 2024 7:25:16 GMT
Much easier to score when Dunk isn't taking your legs away Shouldn’t have come to that though. He was so fucking slow. But it did and it was a clear foul, never mind the fact he also was in the box when then penalty was taken. I know it's going over old ground but a dreadful referee.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 7, 2024 7:53:45 GMT
He never looked like scoring the penalty. We seen some wretched ones over the past few years but that must be the worst. The only constellation was the keeper misjudged his dive as the shot was so feeble and the ball rebounded back to the kicker. Wasn't great at at all but a penalty on target is really the worst one you've seen in years? I would say not being able to hit the target are considerably worse but he scored and that's one thing
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Post by raythesailor on Apr 7, 2024 7:58:18 GMT
We don't get many?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 7, 2024 8:08:55 GMT
Good job, breaks up any momentum we’ve built.
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