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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 26, 2024 10:37:30 GMT
Apparently, they are looking for about 20 people (their city fire Dept correspondent). I suppose that’s guess work based on average numbers of cars on the bridge at the time. Outside temp was 30F. The water would have been a hell of a lot colder even if they survived a 185 foot drop. Utterly horrific. Glad you said that…….Daily Mail reporting the bridge height as 1200ft which is clearly a wild unresearched guess and would make it one of the heighest in the world. Edit: somebody must have proof read the article they’re now giving the correct info regarding the bridge height.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Mar 26, 2024 10:43:54 GMT
Shocking how it crumbles looking at the video. It just goes.
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Mar 26, 2024 10:47:54 GMT
It was a Singaporean ship, apparently on its way to Sri Lanka! Why on earth do you need to travel through Baltimore to get to Sri Lanka?! I’m wondering if some daft, inexperienced fucker literally fell asleep at the wheel and when they woke couldn’t steer out of the way on time. I don't know how boats this big work but surely there's enough people on the bridge of the ship to avoid sleeping or drunk rogue captains? And how unlucky does one have to be to time their journey across this bridge just as a bloody big ship hits it. All very sad.. They would have had a Harbour Master Pilot on Board. I would say its a malfunction, either steering or Engine, and a ship that size and weight no number of tugs would have stopped it...Even fenders on the bridge would have been ineffective.
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Post by phileetin on Mar 26, 2024 10:55:34 GMT
wonder why all the lights went off on the ship before it hit ?
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 26, 2024 11:17:32 GMT
It was a Singaporean ship, apparently on its way to Sri Lanka! Why on earth do you need to travel through Baltimore to get to Sri Lanka?! Wouldn't it be pretty safe to assume that it had loaded it's cargo in Baltimore? Or unloaded and restocked.
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Post by Northy on Mar 26, 2024 11:30:07 GMT
A tragic accident, I hope those that were on the bridge and went into the river didn't suffer too much, RIP to them.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 26, 2024 11:39:08 GMT
A tragic accident, I hope those that were on the bridge and went into the river didn't suffer too much, RIP to them. I’m honestly amazed that two have been saved (so far). I’d be shocked if there’s any more and I can’t imagine that they are out of the woods but that is an amazing effort from the rescue services and a true testament to the will to survive.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 26, 2024 11:54:28 GMT
I've just googled how many bridges in the USA.....600,000. I had in my head there must be 10 or 20,000 but 600,000 jaysus.
Gonna get expensive when an inevitable review of bridge safety/integrity is commenced.
Unless of course it includes bridges like the Swilcan Bridge at St Andrews of course..
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 26, 2024 12:07:53 GMT
I've just googled how many bridges in the USA.....600,000. I had in my head there must be 10 or 20,000 but 600,000 jaysus. Gonna get expensive when an inevitable review of bridge safety/integrity is commenced. Unless of course it includes bridges like the Swilcan Bridge at St Andrews of course.. The Genoa Bridge tragedy in 2018 is a reminder of what can happen when they're not looked after properly. What's worrying to me with this one is the ease in which it collapsed, accidents happen but for a bridge to go that easily on a busy freight lane is really poor........
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 26, 2024 12:10:55 GMT
I've just googled how many bridges in the USA.....600,000. I had in my head there must be 10 or 20,000 but 600,000 jaysus. Gonna get expensive when an inevitable review of bridge safety/integrity is commenced. Unless of course it includes bridges like the Swilcan Bridge at St Andrews of course.. The Genoa Bridge tragedy in 2018 is a reminder of what can happen when they're not looked after properly. What's worrying to me with this one is the ease in which it collapsed, accidents happen but for a bridge to go that easily on a busy freight lane is really poor........ Aye it went down quicker than a 10 dollar crack ho 😬
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Post by shakermaker on Mar 26, 2024 12:14:03 GMT
I've just googled how many bridges in the USA.....600,000. I had in my head there must be 10 or 20,000 but 600,000 jaysus. Gonna get expensive when an inevitable review of bridge safety/integrity is commenced. Unless of course it includes bridges like the Swilcan Bridge at St Andrews of course.. The Genoa Bridge tragedy in 2018 is a reminder of what can happen when they're not looked after properly. What's worrying to me with this one is the ease in which it collapsed, accidents happen but for a bridge to go that easily on a busy freight lane is really poor........ To be fair, unless made of reinforced steel, what bridge in the world could withstand a ship of that size barging into it?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 26, 2024 12:44:39 GMT
With over $60Β worth of cargo passing in and out of the port this could have a devastating effect on their economy. Wouldn’t want to be the ships insurers that’s for sure. Probably already have a posse of insurance assessors & moderators looking at it.
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Post by questionable on Mar 26, 2024 12:48:27 GMT
See that Joey Barton is taking the piss on Twitter stating women drivers. He really is a scummy twet
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 26, 2024 13:19:44 GMT
This same ship hit another bridge in Europe a couple of years ago.
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Post by Northy on Mar 26, 2024 13:25:03 GMT
See that Joey Barton is taking the piss on Twitter stating women drivers. He really is a scummy twet Someone needs to shut that scummy tramp up
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Post by thebet365 on Mar 26, 2024 13:27:24 GMT
The second video seems to have been edited. The actual collapse of the bridge is far faster than the first video. Very strange 2nd vid is a timelapse so is fast forwarded. It certainly appears to show the boat losing power as it's turning towards the bridge, 2 minutes 7 seconds later it collides.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Mar 26, 2024 13:30:57 GMT
Unless mentioned earlier wouldn't there be a pilot on board navigating local waters?.
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Post by Mason_Stokie on Mar 26, 2024 13:37:25 GMT
Apparently, they are looking for about 20 people (their city fire Dept correspondent). I suppose that’s guess work based on average numbers of cars on the bridge at the time. Outside temp was 30F. The water would have felt a hell of a lot colder (reported to be at 48F) even if they survived a 185 foot drop. Utterly horrific. If you look at the first video it looks like there is a work crew on the bridge at the time. I'm thinking they account for most of the 20.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 26, 2024 13:51:05 GMT
The Genoa Bridge tragedy in 2018 is a reminder of what can happen when they're not looked after properly. What's worrying to me with this one is the ease in which it collapsed, accidents happen but for a bridge to go that easily on a busy freight lane is really poor........ To be fair, unless made of reinforced steel, what bridge in the world could withstand a ship of that size barging into it? You could be right and I'm no engineer it just troubled me that a bridge 1.6 miles in length got obliterated so easily, I would have thought there would be a way of "isolating" the impact to a point with technology as it is today. As always I could be talking shite of course......
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Mar 26, 2024 13:51:45 GMT
I have a friend that works on long haul cargo ships. He said the ship clearly loses power approaching the bridge hence it being a tragic accident. Not some 'deliberate' act of sabotage or anything else you'll read from 'experts' on social media.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 26, 2024 14:01:27 GMT
To be fair, unless made of reinforced steel, what bridge in the world could withstand a ship of that size barging into it? You could be right and I'm no engineer it just troubled me that a bridge 1.6 miles in length got obliterated so easily, I would have thought there would be a way of "isolating" the impact to a point with technology as it is today. As always I could be talking shite of course...... It is worth noting that the bridge had finished being built 50 years ago. I imagine that there are a lot of things that they could do now that they couldn’t then. I also imagine that there are a lot of things that they could do then if they had wanted to spend more to do it.
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Post by adri2008 on Mar 26, 2024 14:08:27 GMT
I'm surprised that the bridge doesn't seem to have any protection around its pillars/pylons to prevent an incident like this? I have zero civil engineering knowledge but it appears that a ship can literally just ram into one if goes off course. I guess most shipping wouldn't have the necessary force to cause such a collapse.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 26, 2024 14:08:50 GMT
You could be right and I'm no engineer it just troubled me that a bridge 1.6 miles in length got obliterated so easily, I would have thought there would be a way of "isolating" the impact to a point with technology as it is today. As always I could be talking shite of course...... It is worth noting that the bridge had finished being built 50 years ago. I imagine that there are a lot of things that they could do now that they couldn’t then. I also imagine that there are a lot of things that they could do then if they had wanted to spend more to do it. I get that it's an old bridge, but these types of structures are constantly checked over and upgraded (or at least should be). I guess putting it simply if you were to ask the question of any bridge of this nature on a busy shipping lane "If a cargo ship was to hit it what would happen?" and the answer was "the whole thing would collapse like a deck of cards" then that seems pretty problematic to me.............
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Post by questionable on Mar 26, 2024 14:20:17 GMT
See that Joey Barton is taking the piss on Twitter stating women drivers. He really is a scummy twet Some needs to shut that scummy tramp up I replied to him saying he must fear being smacked in his face every time he’s out and somehow Twitter have suspended my account 🤣
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Post by shakermaker on Mar 26, 2024 14:22:49 GMT
It is worth noting that the bridge had finished being built 50 years ago. I imagine that there are a lot of things that they could do now that they couldn’t then. I also imagine that there are a lot of things that they could do then if they had wanted to spend more to do it. I get that it's an old bridge, but these types of structures are constantly checked over and upgraded (or at least should be). I guess putting it simply if you were to ask the question of any bridge of this nature on a busy shipping lane "If a cargo ship was to hit it what would happen?" and the answer was "the whole thing would collapse like a deck of cards" then that seems pretty problematic to me............. This could end up being the crux of the insurance payout. The ship's insurers may have a get-out clause if it turns out that safety checks hadn't been carried out on the bridge structure in a timely fashion. It also depends on what level of hazard risk was being carried by the Maryland Transportation Authority in the bridge's Safety Case. The structural integrity of the pillars might not have included a big ship ramming into one of them!
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Post by Northy on Mar 26, 2024 14:24:44 GMT
According to reports all the ships crew including the two pilots on board are safe. That's worrying if two local harbour pilots were onboard, maybe some sort of mechanical failure.
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Post by Robo10 on Mar 26, 2024 14:40:03 GMT
Twitter reports that most of the people on the bridge were overnight construction folk working on the concrete/road - they would have seen it coming but given the bridge is 1.6miles long I doubt there was much they could do about it bar watch in complete helplessness.
Horrific - RIP to all.
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Post by Robo10 on Mar 26, 2024 14:43:36 GMT
From BBC
We've just heard from Maryland Governor Wes Moore and other senior officials - and it's clear that at the moment there are still many questions unanswered.
We do know that for now the focus continues to be on the search and rescue effort, rather than on what exactly happened and whether it could have been avoided.
The search is ongoing for six people, while one was rescued and is now in hospital. Another person who was involved did not go to hospital. All of them, it appears, were fixing potholes on the bridge when the crash happened.
Moore seemed still to be recovering from the shock. Like many people the BBC has spoken to today, the governor said he was having a difficult time grasping the magnitude of the disaster - saying it "shakes us".
"For 47 years it's all we've known," he said of the bridge. "It's heartbreaking."
Posted at 14:2314:23 News conference is over Officials have now finished briefing reporters - stay with us as we bring you more updates from the scene.
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Posted at 14:1914:19 Ship was moving at 'very rapid speed' Governor Moore says the ship was moving towards the bridge at a "very rapid speed".
He said the cargo ship's operators called a "mayday' - an emergency signal - but the vessel's speed appeared to be too fast to avoid the incident.
However, he said the distress call did ensure more cars were stopped from crossing the bridge, averting greater disaster.
"These people are heroes," he said. "They saved lives last night."
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 26, 2024 14:51:04 GMT
It is worth noting that the bridge had finished being built 50 years ago. I imagine that there are a lot of things that they could do now that they couldn’t then. I also imagine that there are a lot of things that they could do then if they had wanted to spend more to do it. I get that it's an old bridge, but these types of structures are constantly checked over and upgraded (or at least should be). I guess putting it simply if you were to ask the question of any bridge of this nature on a busy shipping lane "If a cargo ship was to hit it what would happen?" and the answer was "the whole thing would collapse like a deck of cards" then that seems pretty problematic to me............. Not often in the U.S. It’s why Biden’s infrastructure bill is incredibly important. The U.S. likes to say it is the best in the World with a lot of things but that’s often a Hollywood perception. Actual infrastructure is questionable and the last Democratic President wasn’t really in a position to fix anything either given that the World was in recession. Edit: the catastrophe is great but the chances of it happening are so small.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Mar 26, 2024 14:57:44 GMT
With over $60Β worth of cargo passing in and out of the port this could have a devastating effect on their economy. I would think they could get the bridge out of the water relatively quickly (ie weeks rather than years) which would mean there would be clear passage out to sea and then the port is back in business.
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