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Post by Gods on Mar 21, 2024 23:10:27 GMT
Should the government pay compensation to the women who got their pension age equalised with men from 60 to 65 and rising?
I guess in practice it would be the next Labour administration coughing up.
I can't really see it, in the compensation queue already are the contaminated blood brigade, the sub-postmasters and the Windrush crew.
The country is already £2 trillion in debt, basically we're flat broke.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 21, 2024 23:39:12 GMT
Should the government pay compensation to the women who got their pension age equalised with men from 60 to 65 and rising? I guess in practice it would be the next Labour administration coughing up. I can't really see it, in the compensation queue already are the infected blood brigade, the sub-postmasters and the Windrush crew. The country is already £2 trillion in debt, basically we're flat broke. Shame we spent half a trillion on the bullshit lockdowns. The shit we could get done with that in our back pockets now. The mind boggles with how rapid our decline has become. |
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Post by wannabee on Mar 21, 2024 23:39:51 GMT
Should the government pay compensation to the women who got their pension age equalised with men from 60 to 65 and rising? I guess in practice it would be the next Labour administration coughing up. I can't really see it, in the compensation queue already are the infected blood brigade, the sub-postmasters and the Windrush crew. The country is already £2 trillion in debt, basically we're flat broke. Actually UK Debt is £2.66 Tillion What would be the point of having Independent Ombudsmen who after 5 years of investigation reach a conclusion but we say thanks very much we understand what your saying but we have no money The Ombudsman has taken the unusual step of bypassing DWP as throughout their investigation they have not cooperated and presented its report directly to Parliament and said, deal with it. Are you suggesting there should be a hierarchy of compensation of whom the Government has Fucked Over? |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 21, 2024 23:51:11 GMT
Should the government pay compensation to the women who got their pension age equalised with men from 60 to 65 and rising? I guess in practice it would be the next Labour administration coughing up. I can't really see it, in the compensation queue already are the infected blood brigade, the sub-postmasters and the Windrush crew. The country is already £2 trillion in debt, basically we're flat broke. Actually UK Debt is £2.66 Tillion What would be the point of having Independent Ombudsmen who after 5 years of investigation reach a conclusion but we say thanks very much we understand what your saying but we have no money The Ombudsman has taken the unusual step of bypassing DWP as throughout their investigation they have not cooperated and presented its report directly to Parliament and said, deal with it. Are you suggesting there should be a hierarchy of compensation of whom the Government has Fucked Over? Fair point. You can't really have a hierarchy of which cause is more deserving. However with regard the pension issue you could means test and the wealthy WASPI women might just have to accept they can afford the hit and have to take one for the team. Dont know enough about it in reality but that would seem reasonable even if a bit unjust. |
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Post by wannabee on Mar 22, 2024 0:20:17 GMT
Actually UK Debt is £2.66 Tillion What would be the point of having Independent Ombudsmen who after 5 years of investigation reach a conclusion but we say thanks very much we understand what your saying but we have no money The Ombudsman has taken the unusual step of bypassing DWP as throughout their investigation they have not cooperated and presented its report directly to Parliament and said, deal with it. Are you suggesting there should be a hierarchy of compensation of whom the Government has Fucked Over? Fair point. You can't really have a hierarchy of which cause is more deserving. However with regard the pension issue you could means test and the wealthy WASPI women might just have to accept they can afford the hit and have to take one for the team. Dont know enough about it in reality but that would seem reasonable even if a bit unjust. I realise Mickey your trying to be constructive but in the first instance Contributory Pensions are not means tested Secondly more than 270,000 WASPI Women have already died waiting for compensation and are continuing to die at a rate of 1 every 13 minutes I'm afraid this whole shambles and I add the ones Gods has mentioned as well as Grenfell and the antendent Cladding issues in other blocks, I'm sure there are others. UK Society as a whole is genuinely fair and when a miscarriage has occurred they respond sympathetically. Successive Governments go through a hand wringing exercise, prevaricate and retraumatise victims and the final bill is bigger than if it were settled equitably quickly. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2024 1:30:54 GMT
Should the government pay compensation to the women who got their pension age equalised with men from 60 to 65 and rising? I guess in practice it would be the next Labour administration coughing up. I can't really see it, in the compensation queue already are the infected blood brigade, the sub-postmasters and the Windrush crew. The country is already £2 trillion in debt, basically we're flat broke.
Why?
Is it just the WASPI women who you don't feel should be compensated, or is there a hierarchy in your opinion and if there is, then are you saying that they're just too far down the list to be bothered about anyway?
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Post by foster on Mar 22, 2024 4:32:34 GMT
Should the government pay compensation to the women who got their pension age equalised with men from 60 to 65 and rising? I guess in practice it would be the next Labour administration coughing up. I can't really see it, in the compensation queue already are the infected blood brigade, the sub-postmasters and the Windrush crew. The country is already £2 trillion in debt, basically we're flat broke. Why? Is it just the WASPI women who you don't feel should be compensated, or is there a hierarchy in your opinion and if there is, then are you saying that they're just too far down the list to be bothered about anyway?
He hasn't said any of that (in my opinion). He's said the country is broke so asked if the govt should set compensation priorities. And then in his opinion said he thinks they will and that this one in question will be waiting a long time. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 22, 2024 7:06:11 GMT
Where's all the money they should have been paid disappeared to?
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Post by redstriper on Mar 22, 2024 7:07:23 GMT
The compensation queue from the NHS isn't limited to the infected blood people. It runs into many billions and is crippling the system.
I've suggested before that there should be a fast track system for this, with amounts calculated by factoring the physical affects and the actual loss of income together.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2024 8:53:48 GMT
Why? Is it just the WASPI women who you don't feel should be compensated, or is there a hierarchy in your opinion and if there is, then are you saying that they're just too far down the list to be bothered about anyway?
He hasn't said any of that (in my opinion). He's said the country is broke so asked if the govt should set compensation priorities.
And then in his opinion said he thinks they will and that this one in question will be waiting a long time.
Eh?
That's exactly what I asked ...
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Post by riverman on Mar 22, 2024 9:13:56 GMT
The rise of the pension age for women was introduced in the pensions act in 1995. They had 15 years to make provision for this. Yes it was sped up by the government in 2010 but 15 years is still ample warning so no I don't think they should be compensated. They just needed to work or wait an extra 5 years like men have always had to do. It's called equality but like most women they only want equality when it benefits them. They don't want the shit stuff.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 22, 2024 11:30:59 GMT
Actually UK Debt is £2.66 Tillion What would be the point of having Independent Ombudsmen who after 5 years of investigation reach a conclusion but we say thanks very much we understand what your saying but we have no money The Ombudsman has taken the unusual step of bypassing DWP as throughout their investigation they have not cooperated and presented its report directly to Parliament and said, deal with it. Are you suggesting there should be a hierarchy of compensation of whom the Government has Fucked Over? Fair point. You can't really have a hierarchy of which cause is more deserving. However with regard the pension issue you could means test and the wealthy WASPI women might just have to accept they can afford the hit and have to take one for the team. Dont know enough about it in reality but that would seem reasonable even if a bit unjust. You could say that about any compensation award though couldn't you? "Yes I know you were given infected blood and that's unfortunate - but you've just won £100k on the Premium Bonds - so tough". |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 22, 2024 11:34:25 GMT
Should the government pay compensation to the women who got their pension age equalised with men from 60 to 65 and rising? I guess in practice it would be the next Labour administration coughing up. I can't really see it, in the compensation queue already are the infected blood brigade, the sub-postmasters and the Windrush crew. The country is already £2 trillion in debt, basically we're flat broke. Why? Is it just the WASPI women who you don't feel should be compensated, or is there a hierarchy in your opinion and if there is, then are you saying that they're just too far down the list to be bothered about anyway?
I'm curious as to who we owe this debt to? |
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Post by Gods on Mar 22, 2024 11:36:00 GMT
Should the government pay compensation to the women who got their pension age equalised with men from 60 to 65 and rising? I guess in practice it would be the next Labour administration coughing up. I can't really see it, in the compensation queue already are the infected blood brigade, the sub-postmasters and the Windrush crew. The country is already £2 trillion in debt, basically we're flat broke. Why? Is it just the WASPI women who you don't feel should be compensated, or is there a hierarchy in your opinion and if there is, then are you saying that they're just too far down the list to be bothered about anyway?
I can't really see it because I don't think it will happen. It wasn't an opinion on whether it should happen. James Cleverley made it clear right after the ruling that the Tories will kick it in to the long grass the other side of the election. There was £50 billion set aside for it in the Corbyn/McDonnell manifesto but promises made when you go on to lose an election don't get carried over to the next one. Let's see if it makes the next Labour manifesto but my impression is Starmer and Reeves are trying to avoid putting anything at all in there which would involve either higher taxes or more borrowing. What is for certain is that the next administration will face a burgeoning list of unfunded compensation claims which it won't be easy to fight off. The contaminated blood claim is around £20 billion and surely must be paid. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 22, 2024 11:45:44 GMT
Fair point. You can't really have a hierarchy of which cause is more deserving. However with regard the pension issue you could means test and the wealthy WASPI women might just have to accept they can afford the hit and have to take one for the team. Dont know enough about it in reality but that would seem reasonable even if a bit unjust. You could say that about any compensation award though couldn't you? "Yes I know you were given infected blood and that's unfortunate - but you've just won £100k on the Premium Bonds - so tough". I guess so. Bit different for someone with millions and a massive private pension. Missing out on some dough for your state pension in principal is shitty but in reality is it life changing to her compared to the women literally on the bread line in the same boat? But I get your point yes. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 22, 2024 11:52:03 GMT
Why? Is it just the WASPI women who you don't feel should be compensated, or is there a hierarchy in your opinion and if there is, then are you saying that they're just too far down the list to be bothered about anyway?
I'm curious as to who we owe this debt to? Ourselves mainly. About 25% of gilt issue is foreign owned. 25% BoE - the rest is Private investor - pension funds etc. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2024 13:33:37 GMT
Why? Is it just the WASPI women who you don't feel should be compensated, or is there a hierarchy in your opinion and if there is, then are you saying that they're just too far down the list to be bothered about anyway?
I can't really see it because I don't think it will happen. It wasn't an opinion on whether it should happen. James Cleverley made it clear right after that the Tories will kick it in to the long grass the other side of the election. There was £50 billion set aside for it in the Corbyn/McDonnell manifesto but promises made when you go on to lose an election don't get carried over to the next one. Let's see if it makes the next Labour manidesto but my impression is Starmer and Reeves are trying to avoid putting anything at all in there which would involve either higher taxes or more borrowing. What is for certain is that the next administration will face a burgeoning list of unfunded compensation claims which it won't be easy to fight off. The contaminated blood claim is around £20 billion and surely must be paid. Thanks for the clarification God's, I'd (mistakenly) read it as being your opinion, which I now see, it wasn't. An offer of £3k seems like a drop in the ocean to me and I don't see how anybody can object to that figure, when you consider the degree that so many women's live were affected by this. |
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Post by franklin on Mar 22, 2024 13:38:57 GMT
I don't quite understand what their issue is are they saying that they didn't know about the rise in pension age had been announced in 1995 and that they were not able to retire until 65 rather than 60 and that as a result they need compensation for the extra years worked??
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 22, 2024 13:50:52 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2024 13:53:35 GMT
I don't quite understand what their issue is are they saying that they didn't know about the rise in pension age had been announced in 1995 and that they were not able to retire until 65 rather than 60 and that as a result they need compensation for the extra years worked?? It is more complicated that that mate. This is a pretty comprehensive and unbiased explanation. www.telegraph.co.uk/money/pensions/thousands-women-state-pension-age-change-compensated/ |
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Post by Eggybread on Mar 22, 2024 13:54:20 GMT
Absolutely,no argument whatsover.
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Post by Eggybread on Mar 22, 2024 13:56:49 GMT
The rise of the pension age for women was introduced in the pensions act in 1995. They had 15 years to make provision for this. Yes it was sped up by the government in 2010 but 15 years is still ample warning so no I don't think they should be compensated. They just needed to work or wait an extra 5 years like men have always had to do. It's called equality but like most women they only want equality when it benefits them. They don't want the shit stuff. But they were not told about it were they?Thats the crux of the matter.Even the shit house governments admit that. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 22, 2024 14:01:36 GMT
The rise of the pension age for women was introduced in the pensions act in 1995. They had 15 years to make provision for this. Yes it was sped up by the government in 2010 but 15 years is still ample warning so no I don't think they should be compensated. They just needed to work or wait an extra 5 years like men have always had to do. It's called equality but like most women they only want equality when it benefits them. They don't want the shit stuff. But they were not told about it were they?Thats the crux of the matter.Even the shit house governments admit that. Read the link i posted above. I've only become aware of this recently but its not a cut and dry case... |
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Post by wannabee on Mar 22, 2024 14:09:23 GMT
Why? Is it just the WASPI women who you don't feel should be compensated, or is there a hierarchy in your opinion and if there is, then are you saying that they're just too far down the list to be bothered about anyway?
I'm curious as to who we owe this debt to? Roughly Overseas Investors, Pension Funds and BoE(QE) each hold about 25% The remaining 25% by various Banks and Financial Institutions To put it in perspective the amount required to service the Debt this year will be about £90Bn or half the NHS Annual Budget for England Edit: posted before realising Seymore had already answered your question  |
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Post by phileetin on Mar 22, 2024 14:17:56 GMT
i think we should pay them all what they ask for . then, after giving every body prior notice every day for the next 12 months cancel all state benefits and pensions .
oh , and we should put the basic rate of tax up to 45% but cancel national insurance cos pensions etc won't be around .
sorted
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Post by wannabee on Mar 22, 2024 14:29:34 GMT
This Blog was written more than a year ago I.e. before the Ombudsman''s Final Report which may explain factual errors in its content. |
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Post by swampmongrel on Mar 22, 2024 14:52:10 GMT
I knew about the change in the law at the time it was passed in 1995, and I was a 15 year old boy!
The claims of maladministration may be legally correct but I don't have much sympathy, to be honest.
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Post by Gods on Mar 22, 2024 16:00:46 GMT
Be nice if they'd levelled the pension age down to 60 not up to 65 wouldn't it?!
That was never going to happen though. I read that when the pension age was set to 65 for men back whenever average life expectancy was 68 so it was literally something to keep you in dignity for a few short years.
The fact that folks now frequently live to 90 or 100, which is good news, is what sits behind the pensions crisis.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 22, 2024 16:02:48 GMT
I knew about the change in the law at the time it was passed in 1995, and I was a 15 year old boy! The claims of maladministration may be legally correct but I don't have much sympathy, to be honest. Yeah I'm starting to lean that way I reckon. |
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Post by desman2 on Mar 22, 2024 16:19:27 GMT
Its a bit like us claiming compensation for at the earlier time having to work an extra 5 years while having a shorter life span.
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