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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Mar 22, 2024 14:19:40 GMT
The UK is too patient with such fuckery. There would be Nike stores getting torched in some countries if they tried such a thing. No US sports organisation would dare mess with the Stars & Stripes for example. All part of chipping away at any national identity. This is just Nike’s small part it is playing. I would rather a government sorts out its shit than comment on flags and other distractions. It's a fucking tiny detail on a sport top. They've hardly set fire to it. As mentioned earlier in this thread, a few kits ago, the shoulders were covered in tiny St George crosses in different colours AND NOBODY CARED. Unfortunately, unlike some years ago we now live in times where there's an agenda behind everything we're told or given.. this flag is the first step to having a rainbow cross represent us as a national flag. Our uni's, media, government are riddled with left wokies trying to redefine the world. It'll end in tears I tell thee, tears.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Mar 22, 2024 14:26:06 GMT
What great PR for the kit, It's like people do this for a job or something😉
It's a great way to get a few Gammon heads angry about their blessed St. George cross being messed with. Something to talk about while they sign on next week.🤣
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Post by Ron on Mar 22, 2024 14:26:41 GMT
I’ve never seen such a pathetic fuss over a cross. In 2010 the last England top I ever bought was covered in multi coloured crosses. The shirt was made by Umbro. No fuss made.
The society and culture we live in is toxic people will jump on literally anything.
Pathetic.
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Post by phileetin on Mar 22, 2024 14:26:45 GMT
but surely they've got to admit they've made a balls up . may as well have stuck the red cross flag on the shirt if they just wanted to create unity and inclusivity. But they haven't ballsed it up. The response is just another example of the utterly dispiriting 'Culture Wars' designed to stir up nonsense. I don't see people up in arms about the adoption of purple for the change kit.
what flag have they put on it ?
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Post by Eggybread on Mar 22, 2024 14:26:49 GMT
It's a fucking tiny detail on a sport top. They've hardly set fire to it. As mentioned earlier in this thread, a few kits ago, the shoulders were covered in tiny St George crosses in different colours AND NOBODY CARED. Unfortunately, unlike some years ago we now live in times where there's an agenda behind everything we're told or given.. this flag is the first step to having a rainbow cross represent us as a national flag. Our uni's, media, government are riddled with left wokies trying to redefine the world. It'll end in tears I tell thee, tears. Youre such a flake. You do realise its not even "our" flag.
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Post by Ron on Mar 22, 2024 14:28:43 GMT
Those that call people woke are truly showing what “snowflakes” they are.
The country is a cesspit.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 22, 2024 14:30:11 GMT
It's a fucking tiny detail on a sport top. They've hardly set fire to it. As mentioned earlier in this thread, a few kits ago, the shoulders were covered in tiny St George crosses in different colours AND NOBODY CARED. Unfortunately, unlike some years ago we now live in times where there's an agenda behind everything we're told or given.. this flag is the first step to having a rainbow cross represent us as a national flag. Our uni's, media, government are riddled with left wokies trying to redefine the world. It'll end in tears I tell thee, tears. Our well known left wing media and government. You couldn't make this shit up
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 22, 2024 14:30:47 GMT
This is a very interesting point. People would do well to think carefully about what has changed in our culture in the intervening years for people to get so triggered by something that has seemingly been done many times before. On the face of it it’s a trivial thing but the reaction signifies something. Why are people so uncomfortable with an expression of something they were perfectly fine with ten or 15 years ago? Believe it’s just right-wing cranks and opportunists whipping up division if you like. I’d suggest you’ve got your fingers in your ears. Don't be shy mate, tell us.......
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 22, 2024 14:31:44 GMT
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Post by phileetin on Mar 22, 2024 14:32:29 GMT
they'll put that monstrosity into the centre of the union jack next .
at least that won't upset the jocks, sheep sha**ers and northrn irish
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Post by adri2008 on Mar 22, 2024 14:42:39 GMT
Not that arsed about the design but what's with the ridiculous price? - companies have taken advantage of 'inflation' to just bump everything up by 50%
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 22, 2024 14:50:38 GMT
This is a very interesting point. People would do well to think carefully about what has changed in our culture in the intervening years for people to get so triggered by something that has seemingly been done many times before. On the face of it it’s a trivial thing but the reaction signifies something. Why are people so uncomfortable with an expression of something they were perfectly fine with ten or 15 years ago? Believe it’s just right-wing cranks and opportunists whipping up division if you like. I’d suggest you’ve got your fingers in your ears. Don't be shy mate, tell us....... Not shyness.. I don't claim to know the answer but those protesting that nobody had any problem in 2011 don't seem to realise they're raising more of a problem for their own argument than anyone else's.
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Post by westlandstokie on Mar 22, 2024 16:08:47 GMT
Not that arsed about the design but what's with the ridiculous price? - companies have taken advantage of 'inflation' to just bump everything up by 50% Who would pay £125 for a football shirt ? Not me, not a chance.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 22, 2024 16:12:44 GMT
The England kit was designed by an American company, manufactured in somewhere like Bangladesh and using materials that aren’t fit for purpose. Yet, people care about a flag on the back of the collar?
Not one thing about that kit is English.
A National Kit should be designed by that Nation’s sports brand, manufactured by that Nation’s people and see a good chunk of the profits go to that Nation’s charities. None of that happens and I think that’s the biggest issue to me.
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Post by senojbor on Mar 22, 2024 16:17:50 GMT
The only flag on an England shirt should be the St Georges cross.
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Post by skip on Mar 22, 2024 16:24:53 GMT
The England kit was designed by an American company, manufactured in somewhere like Bangladesh and using materials that aren’t fit for purpose. Yet, people care about a flag on the back of the collar? Not one thing about that kit is English. A National Kit should be designed by that Nation’s sports brand, manufactured by that Nation’s people and see a good chunk of the profits go to that Nation’s charities. None of that happens and I think that’s the biggest issue to me. Th-th-that's Capitalism, folks!!!
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Post by superjw on Mar 22, 2024 16:25:53 GMT
The England kit was designed by an American company, manufactured in somewhere like Bangladesh and using materials that aren’t fit for purpose. Yet, people care about a flag on the back of the collar? Not one thing about that kit is English. A National Kit should be designed by that Nation’s sports brand, manufactured by that Nation’s people and see a good chunk of the profits go to that Nation’s charities. None of that happens and I think that’s the biggest issue to me. Do we have any genuine national sports brands that could do it? There’s Umbro but wasn’t sure. Then there is Slazenger but don’t think they do football kits (at least I don’t think they do) As much as I agree with you, a 100% national England kit would be easily double the already disgusting cost…
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Post by skip on Mar 22, 2024 16:26:28 GMT
Don't be shy mate, tell us....... Not shyness.. I don't claim to know the answer but those protesting that nobody had any problem in 2011 don't seem to realise they're raising more of a problem for their own argument than anyone else's. The only difference is the thick end of fourteen years of the media and the Tory Party and its ilk doing their damnedest to tell people that England is under threat, a mixture of amateur hour McCarthyism and straight bananas.
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Post by skip on Mar 22, 2024 16:28:47 GMT
The England kit was designed by an American company, manufactured in somewhere like Bangladesh and using materials that aren’t fit for purpose. Yet, people care about a flag on the back of the collar? Not one thing about that kit is English. A National Kit should be designed by that Nation’s sports brand, manufactured by that Nation’s people and see a good chunk of the profits go to that Nation’s charities. None of that happens and I think that’s the biggest issue to me. Do we have any genuine national sports brands that could do it? There’s Umbro but wasn’t sure. Then there is Slazenger but don’t think they do football kits (at least I don’t think they do) As much as I agree with you, a 100% national England kit would be easily double the already disgusting cost… Nike bought and then sold Umbro. Don't know who owns the brand nowadays.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 22, 2024 16:30:07 GMT
It's a fucking tiny detail on a sport top. They've hardly set fire to it. As mentioned earlier in this thread, a few kits ago, the shoulders were covered in tiny St George crosses in different colours AND NOBODY CARED. Unfortunately, unlike some years ago we now live in times where there's an agenda behind everything we're told or given.. this flag is the first step to having a rainbow cross represent us as a national flag. Our uni's, media, government are riddled with left wokies trying to redefine the world. It'll end in tears I tell thee, tears. This is actually a terrifying prospect but I doubt you're far wrong at all. An lgbtq flag in place of our actual flag. Bow down to it or else....
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Post by skip on Mar 22, 2024 16:30:10 GMT
The only flag on an England shirt should be the St Georges cross. Let's not forget that traditionally, England never had any whiff of the George cross on it, only the FA Three Lions badge.
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Post by skip on Mar 22, 2024 16:31:16 GMT
Unfortunately, unlike some years ago we now live in times where there's an agenda behind everything we're told or given.. this flag is the first step to having a rainbow cross represent us as a national flag. Our uni's, media, government are riddled with left wokies trying to redefine the world. It'll end in tears I tell thee, tears. This is actually a terrifying prospect but I doubt you're far wrong at all. An lgbtq flag in place of our actual flag. Bow down to it or else.... Why on actual Earth would anyone change the flag of England into one that celebrates diverse sexuality? The two things have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 22, 2024 16:38:20 GMT
The England kit was designed by an American company, manufactured in somewhere like Bangladesh and using materials that aren’t fit for purpose. Yet, people care about a flag on the back of the collar? Not one thing about that kit is English. A National Kit should be designed by that Nation’s sports brand, manufactured by that Nation’s people and see a good chunk of the profits go to that Nation’s charities. None of that happens and I think that’s the biggest issue to me. Do we have any genuine national sports brands that could do it? There’s Umbro but wasn’t sure. Then there is Slazenger but don’t think they do football kits (at least I don’t think they do) As much as I agree with you, a 100% national England kit would be easily double the already disgusting cost… Slazenger is owned by Sports Direct these days. I think I know who'd come off best if the FA got into bed with Mike Ashley.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 22, 2024 16:38:22 GMT
John Barnes has waded in, stating “I didn’t even know there was a St George’s cross”. 🤦🏻♂️
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 22, 2024 16:47:05 GMT
This is actually a terrifying prospect but I doubt you're far wrong at all. An lgbtq flag in place of our actual flag. Bow down to it or else.... Why on actual Earth would anyone change the flag of England into one that celebrates diverse sexuality? The two things have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Good question. It would be total insanity but these are insane times right?
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Post by enuntio on Mar 22, 2024 16:47:33 GMT
The redesign looks naff to my eye but I'm sure others will like.
What is infinitely more disappointing is the cost. The price of both Adult and Child top is nothing short of theft and exploitation.
I'd like to ask Mr Malcom Clark what the err supporters thing that he is heavily involved in think and could they organise a petition outlining the cost of production including shipping costs, taxes and profits to whomever against the overall price of outrageously overpriced football shirt.
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Post by skip on Mar 22, 2024 16:47:38 GMT
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Post by skip on Mar 22, 2024 16:50:34 GMT
The redesign looks naff to my eye but I'm sure others will like. What is infinitely more disappointing is the cost. The price of both Adult and Child top is nothing short of theft and exploitation. I'd like to ask Mr Malcom Clark what the err supporters thing that he is heavily involved in think and could they organise a petition outlining the cost of production including shipping costs, taxes and profits to whomever against the overall price of outrageously overpriced football shirt. I'm not defending the price, but the England normal one for normal people is the same price as all other nations produced for Euro 24, by Adidas and Nike. It's only the recent ridiculous addition of the 'same as the players wear' version that is fifty odd quid on top of the already bonkers price.
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Post by skip on Mar 22, 2024 16:53:13 GMT
Why on actual Earth would anyone change the flag of England into one that celebrates diverse sexuality? The two things have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Good question. It would be total insanity but these are insane times right? The only thing that is insane about today is that truth, real verifiable truth has been replaced by bullshit and the acceptance that 'opinion' is somehow 'fact' if enough people parrot the same nonsense. We've had well over a decade of this kind of thing being encouraged and its tearing society apart. Not the detail on a football top. The very idea that a sports manufacture have tarted up a tiny cross on the back of a football making it onto the news as the second item is absolutely batshit. It's the sort of stuff that would at best be included at the end of the news as a light hearted vox pop at best.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 22, 2024 16:55:13 GMT
Not shyness.. I don't claim to know the answer but those protesting that nobody had any problem in 2011 don't seem to realise they're raising more of a problem for their own argument than anyone else's. The only difference is the thick end of fourteen years of the media and the Tory Party and its ilk doing their damnedest to tell people the England is under threat, a mixture of amateur hour McCarthyism and straight bananas. Presumably the mind-controlling master-manipulator Tories will be sweeping to power in this year’s GE then
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