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Post by Roger Everyone on Mar 12, 2024 19:54:29 GMT
Lyndon Gooch would be a better choice for captain... Agreed, if we’re in League One. Josh Laurent will get us there 😉
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Post by telfordstokie on Mar 12, 2024 20:15:26 GMT
I’m pleased with the last three games too and it does feel like we might have turned a corner. But maybe let’s get to 50 points at least before starting the self-congratulatory interviews.
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 12, 2024 20:33:43 GMT
Is there a link anywhere to the full interview?.
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Post by davethebass on Mar 12, 2024 21:02:34 GMT
Is there a link anywhere to the full interview?. I think it's on this show mate, according to that tweet....sport on 6, today, I've not listened yet so not 100% sure... www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hc4cfv?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobileEdit: yeah the full interview is gonna be on it, he's just said, don't know when in the show though, it's an hour long, the "Stoke City Hour" Edit: part 1 of interview starts just after 6:15 Edit: part 2 of interview starts at 41:50
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 12, 2024 22:49:23 GMT
Maybe I’m being a bit harsh but for the captain to all of a sudden show his face n come out n have an interview…he’s hid all season n let’s not pretend he hasn’t, he’s been getting pelters all year n now he’s come out after two wins…I get everyone’s opinion and I see mine is different to most but I stand by it….I’m far from a doom monger and I feel like we’ve turned a bit of a corner and I’m delighted we’re fighting and giving ourselves a chance but he’s been anonymous all season🔴⚪️
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Post by spiderpuss on Mar 12, 2024 23:15:11 GMT
Was this anything to do with Pretty Little Boother farting?
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 13, 2024 0:43:40 GMT
Why? He's not even guaranteed a start. Is Josh Laurent guaranteed a start ? It's just my opinion, Gooch is a very versatile player. Can play all over the pitch and shows more commitment to each match than Laurent. I think he is. There was every opportunity to leave the armband with Burger as his choice of captain but Schumacher immediately gave it back to Laurent so he must rate him. He wouldn't give the captaincy to someone he didn't intend playing. Our midfield has looked a lot better since Laurent came back. I don't disagree with your assessment of Gooch but because he is such a utility player I wonder a) if he will always start if the first choices are available and b) whether it is a good idea to have a captain who plays in a different position every week. Enthusiasm doesn't always mean you are the best captain either but then I always thought Shawcross was a good captain because he was calm and controlled which I know a lot of people saw as a weakness.
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Mar 13, 2024 2:21:38 GMT
He's been better than Cundle but if we didn't score twice surely we would all be talking about him letting Preston's best player cross the ball unchallenged for their goal?
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Post by idle on Mar 13, 2024 7:38:15 GMT
Why? He's not even guaranteed a start. Is Josh Laurent guaranteed a start ? It's just my opinion, Gooch is a very versatile player. Can play all over the pitch and shows more commitment to each match than Laurent. I love Gooches work rate, but there's more to captaining than running around a lot. You need to: - be a leader on the pitch: communicate, shout orders, spur the team on, lead by example, never give up - be able to understand the tactics issued by the manager for the team, not just your own role - be one of the first on the teamsheet every game (unless injured or suspended) - be part of the "spine of the team" - give it all in training - be professional, inluding leading a sensible life when it comes to clubbing, etc. - be experienced - not be a lunatic or hothead Gooch fits a few of those points, but especially the "leader" part is missing IMO. Laurent isn't much better. Burger is, but lacks the experience and needs to lose the stupid cards. Next season (if he's still here) he'll be the perfect captain.
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Post by jokker on Mar 13, 2024 8:07:12 GMT
He wouldn't be my choice as captain it has to be said but none of us has a clue what he's like behind the scenes, in the dressing room or for that matter actually on the pitch. Because he isn't screaming the odds in the refs face all game doesn't mean he's not a good skipper. A lot of people would choose Burger, but here we are missing him for two crucial games because he can't control himself let alone his team mates. No sane person would nominate Pearson as captain but Burger's disciplinary record is just as bad and that booking on Saturday was a brain dead as any of Pearson's. That said I'd have Burger over Laurent any day of the week, but that's based on personal prejudice rather than any inside knowledge. Yes, Burger does get involved in organising and talking on the pitch, you know, doing the kind of things you would expect from a captain whereas you seldom, if ever see any of that from Laurent. With regards to Burger's disciplinary record we have to consider that he's still quite young and relatively inexperienced. Given a bit more time I think he'll calm himself down . If we have to consider all that, then surely he's not ready to be captain. Maybe later, but not now. He could perhaaps be a better player without the burden of having to lead the blind...
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Post by jokker on Mar 13, 2024 8:10:14 GMT
Maybe I’m being a bit harsh but for the captain to all of a sudden show his face n come out n have an interview…he’s hid all season n let’s not pretend he hasn’t, he’s been getting pelters all year n now he’s come out after two wins…I get everyone’s opinion and I see mine is different to most but I stand by it….I’m far from a doom monger and I feel like we’ve turned a bit of a corner and I’m delighted we’re fighting and giving ourselves a chance but he’s been anonymous all season🔴⚪️ He's been injured most of the season and only recently returned to playing.
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Post by jokker on Mar 13, 2024 8:14:04 GMT
He wouldn't be my choice as captain it has to be said but none of us has a clue what he's like behind the scenes, in the dressing room or for that matter actually on the pitch. Because he isn't screaming the odds in the refs face all game doesn't mean he's not a good skipper. A lot of people would choose Burger, but here we are missing him for two crucial games because he can't control himself let alone his team mates. No sane person would nominate Pearson as captain but Burger's disciplinary record is just as bad and that booking on Saturday was a brain dead as any of Pearson's. That said I'd have Burger over Laurent any day of the week, but that's based on personal prejudice rather than any inside knowledge. It's a weird one isn't it i think the fans would pick Burger, but actually it feels like in the short time Laurent has been re-instated to captain the form has picked up, maybe he's got more universal popularity amongst the team behind the scenes, and maybe (unfairly) Burger was seen by some as being something of teachers pet who's come in, been given the armband straight away and can do no wrong. Interestingly our form has also improved since Junior has been out injured another fan favourite. I love junior, and think he's going to be part of our core starting squad moving forward, but wonder if with current set up actually throws the shape slightly out of kilter somehow, maybe that was just because he was being played in Schueys inverted style ? It's a weird thing to say about Junior. When he was away during the AC, he was being talked about on par with the second coming, but after he came back he's one we do better without...???
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 13, 2024 8:24:14 GMT
Maybe I’m being a bit harsh but for the captain to all of a sudden show his face n come out n have an interview…he’s hid all season n let’s not pretend he hasn’t, he’s been getting pelters all year n now he’s come out after two wins…I get everyone’s opinion and I see mine is different to most but I stand by it….I’m far from a doom monger and I feel like we’ve turned a bit of a corner and I’m delighted we’re fighting and giving ourselves a chance but he’s been anonymous all season🔴⚪️ He's been injured most of the season and only recently returned to playing. Define most of the season for me cos I totally disagree, he’s fucking bone n can fuck off with his pal Tye in the summer…all swag n no substance🔴⚪️
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Post by greystokie on Mar 13, 2024 8:35:18 GMT
Yes, Burger does get involved in organising and talking on the pitch, you know, doing the kind of things you would expect from a captain whereas you seldom, if ever see any of that from Laurent. With regards to Burger's disciplinary record we have to consider that he's still quite young and relatively inexperienced. Given a bit more time I think he'll calm himself down . If we have to consider all that, then surely he's not ready to be captain. Maybe later, but not now. He could perhaaps be a better player without the burden of having to lead the blind... Perhaps you're right but, with the current squad I really can't think of anyone who would be more suited to the role. Laurent might be working wonders behind the scenes but for me he's no captain on the pitch.
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Post by mamathestriker on Mar 13, 2024 8:56:26 GMT
I’m pleased with the last three games too and it does feel like we might have turned a corner. But maybe let’s get to 50 points at least before starting the self-congratulatory interviews. Completely agree with this. I like Josh, but he's been a poor captain this season, especially early doors. I was chuffed, absolutely delighted with the huge win on Saturday. But we must follow that up now. I find some of the club's output after we've won slightly OTT given our position.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 13, 2024 8:59:58 GMT
He's been better than Cundle but if we didn't score twice surely we would all be talking about him letting Preston's best player cross the ball unchallenged for their goal? Yes mate I noticed that and also noticed how no one picked up on it on here. I assumed it was just relief at bagging the 3 points but it was very poor and 'lazy' play by Laurent who gave him all the time and space in the world to pick his cross. In fact while we're at it it was all round shit play by Laurent for not closing the crosser down, by McNally for losing his man and Iversen for his shit positioning getting beaten at his near post. The good thing about it is our luck seems to have changed. Two months ago we'd have been punished for our misses in front of goal and lost that one nil with their only attempt gifted hem by our defensive errors. Perhaps the 'clear the air after Cardiff' has worked in more ways than one.
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Post by lordb on Mar 13, 2024 9:14:01 GMT
He's been better than Cundle but if we didn't score twice surely we would all be talking about him letting Preston's best player cross the ball unchallenged for their goal? Yes mate I noticed that and also noticed how no one picked up on it on here. I assumed it was just relief at bagging the 3 points but it was very poor and 'lazy' play by Laurent who gave him all the time and space in the world to pick his cross. In fact while we're at it it was all round shit play by Laurent for not closing the crosser down, by McNally for losing his man and Iversen for his shit positioning getting beaten at his near post. The good thing about it is our luck seems to have changed. Two months ago we'd have been punished for our misses in front of goal and lost that one nil with their only attempt gifted hem by our defensive errors. Perhaps the 'clear the air after Cardiff' has worked in more ways than one. Lots of people mentioned it on the day, it was really poor, Rose was also asleep to the danger but started with Laurent not getting tight However he had a solid game, if we are looking for perfect performances we aren't going to find them
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 13, 2024 9:31:11 GMT
Yes mate I noticed that and also noticed how no one picked up on it on here. I assumed it was just relief at bagging the 3 points but it was very poor and 'lazy' play by Laurent who gave him all the time and space in the world to pick his cross. In fact while we're at it it was all round shit play by Laurent for not closing the crosser down, by McNally for losing his man and Iversen for his shit positioning getting beaten at his near post. The good thing about it is our luck seems to have changed. Two months ago we'd have been punished for our misses in front of goal and lost that one nil with their only attempt gifted hem by our defensive errors. Perhaps the 'clear the air after Cardiff' has worked in more ways than one. Lots of people mentioned it on the day, it was really poor, Rose was also asleep to the danger but started with Laurent not getting tight However he had a solid game, if we are looking for perfect performances we aren't going to find them No I agree mate and it's why I didn't mention it before. It felt like nit picking churlishness of Bayern proportions after such a hard fought win. But as we were going off on a Tangerine about Laurent and someone else brought it up..... I hadn't noticed it mentioned previously. Must keep up.
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Post by jokker on Mar 13, 2024 14:12:45 GMT
I’m pleased with the last three games too and it does feel like we might have turned a corner. But maybe let’s get to 50 points at least before starting the self-congratulatory interviews. Completely agree with this. I like Josh, but he's been a poor captain this season, especially early doors. I was chuffed, absolutely delighted with the huge win on Saturday. But we must follow that up now. I find some of the club's output after we've won slightly OTT given our position. This is the one year where we can afford to not look at our position but study the pts tally instead. We're one win away from 15th in theory - the theory (which pretty much happened Saturday when we were one of the only teams in the bottom half to win) that we win and everybody else in our league vicinity loses or draws, which is pretty good , as long as we don't lose sight of the fact that with one defat and everybody below us winning, we could go back into deep trouble, although with our now sligtly superior GD, it will take 4 pts and a massive win for Hudds to return us to 22nd. It's a weird way of thinking but it feels much better to look ahead to possibilities instead of beating yourself over a low position.
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Post by misterj on Mar 13, 2024 17:04:43 GMT
Some ppl cynical about SJW influence but it needed to be said (what SJW said) and someone from the Pulis DNA era will always be welcome so the players would have sussed that they HAD to do better?
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Post by Roger Everyone on Mar 15, 2024 17:25:00 GMT
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Mar 15, 2024 17:31:10 GMT
If you read between the lines SS says something like he's a very good trainer, model professional etc but probably not the best captain choice. I think that's probably in line with what most supporters would observe when watching matches
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Post by jokker on Mar 15, 2024 17:41:00 GMT
If you read between the lines SS says something like he's a very good trainer, model professional etc but probably not the best captain choice. You're jumping to conclusions there. Schuhmacher neither says nor implies anything of the kind. Laurent was selected by Neil as captain last season. When this season started, with so few players remaining from last season, he stayed in the position. I can't judge from where I am whether he's the right one or not, but as SS simply says, "He’s the captain and he leads by example on the pitch." Whether Gooch would be a better choice long term or a big leader comes in the summer, is irrelevant now. Now is not the time to discuss or change the captain.
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Mar 15, 2024 17:47:45 GMT
If you read between the lines SS says something like he's a very good trainer, model professional etc but probably not the best captain choice. You're jumping to conclusions there. Schuhmacher neither says nor implies anything of the kind. Laurent was selected by Neil as captain last season. When this season started, with so few players remaining from last season, he stayed in the position. I can't judge from where I am whether he's the right one or not, but as SS simply says, "He’s the captain and he leads by example on the pitch." Whether Gooch would be better choices long term or a big leader comes in the summer, is irrelevant now. Now is not the time to discuss or change the captain. Leads by example and not the most vocal definitely does imply that, in my opinion. Having a lead by example captain can work really well sometimes if the standards are already high and things are going well. I definitely wouldn't consider changing captain this season, anyway, that would be insane at this point! Laurent is a decent player for this level and we definitely improved with his return, so don't wanna be too negative
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Post by Roger Everyone on Mar 15, 2024 19:08:34 GMT
You're jumping to conclusions there. Schuhmacher neither says nor implies anything of the kind. Laurent was selected by Neil as captain last season. When this season started, with so few players remaining from last season, he stayed in the position. I can't judge from where I am whether he's the right one or not, but as SS simply says, "He’s the captain and he leads by example on the pitch." Whether Gooch would be better choices long term or a big leader comes in the summer, is irrelevant now. Now is not the time to discuss or change the captain. Leads by example and not the most vocal definitely does imply that, in my opinion. Having a lead by example captain can work really well sometimes if the standards are already high and things are going well. I definitely wouldn't consider changing captain this season, anyway, that would be insane at this point! Laurent is a decent player for this level and we definitely improved with his return, so don't wanna be too negative I was referring more to the Lyndon gooch reference. Would make a good captain in my opinion, but I am not suggesting we should change captain now.
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Post by jokker on Mar 15, 2024 19:51:47 GMT
You're jumping to conclusions there. Schuhmacher neither says nor implies anything of the kind. Laurent was selected by Neil as captain last season. When this season started, with so few players remaining from last season, he stayed in the position. I can't judge from where I am whether he's the right one or not, but as SS simply says, "He’s the captain and he leads by example on the pitch." Whether Gooch would be better choices long term or a big leader comes in the summer, is irrelevant now. Now is not the time to discuss or change the captain. Leads by example and not the most vocal definitely does imply that, in my opinion. Having a lead by example captain can work really well sometimes if the standards are already high and things are going well. I definitely wouldn't consider changing captain this season, anyway, that would be insane at this point! Laurent is a decent player for this level and we definitely improved with his return, so don't wanna be too negative If Schuhmacher meant what you imply he does, then he would be an idiot who undermined the authority of his captain. But I don't think he is an idiot.
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Post by woodin43 on Mar 15, 2024 22:39:19 GMT
These bloody thick footballers! How come they couldn't see what thousands of Stoke fans could see by bloody October!!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 16, 2024 8:12:37 GMT
I have a mate who’s met him a few times whilst at Reading and by all accounts he’s a really nice guy and probably very popular in the changing room. Not sure that’s what you need for a captain though I’ve always thought of a captain as someone who leads by example, can be nasty when he needs to and drags players up when they’re down. Going back but I always thought Bryan Robson was one of the best or Vinny Overson.
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 16, 2024 8:18:46 GMT
Not sure really nice guys make the best captains. Shawcross wasn't particularly vocal, but led by example I guess. Somewhere in the middle I suppose is the ideal, Burger does seem a top bloke and general all round popular guy, plus he's a very good footballer.
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Post by telfordstokie on Mar 16, 2024 18:05:08 GMT
This week’s interview combined with today’s result suggests that yet again, our players have fallen into the trap into thinking they’ve cracked it after getting a couple of results - has happened time and time again in the last few years. We’ll hopefully have enough to scrape over the line (Huddersfield and Wednesday games are simply massive) but getting pretty sick of the ‘one step forward, two steps back’ pattern we are trapped in.
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