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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 11, 2024 11:36:54 GMT
Said this many times but Waddo used to get the local fire brigade in on satdee morning to soak the pitch at the Vic. This was to slow down the play which suited our playmakers particularly Hudson & Mahoney. Opposing managers who complained re the state of our pitch would be told it was the natural high water table from the nearby River Trent.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 11, 2024 11:38:08 GMT
Like Benji it was my first away match. I just remember thinking what a dump it was round the Baseball ground and how glad I was really that my mates dad had insisted on accompanying us. Surroundings of the old Baseball Ground were very similar to both our Victoria Ground and Maine Road. Remember you parked your car up outside those sort of grounds and a kid would shout "Look after yer car Mr" and you'd give him 50p cos you knew his mates would be letting the tyres down or smashing the light if you didn't. The thing which I found strange at Derby was how the home fans were down one side in the paddock underneath a stand where they couldn't see anything that went above eight feet high. It's probably where Clough developed his philosophy of playing along the ground. Its still a right dump round there now 😊
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Post by tqstokie on Mar 11, 2024 11:50:46 GMT
The only other away game I went too that ended in a brilliant win was at Hull City in the cup 1972 I think. Stoke were two nil down and came back with goals form Conroy, Burrows and Ritchie to win 3-2. I have seen a video of that game too if someone can find it.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 11, 2024 12:05:42 GMT
Surroundings of the old Baseball Ground were very similar to both our Victoria Ground and Maine Road. Remember you parked your car up outside those sort of grounds and a kid would shout "Look after yer car Mr" and you'd give him 50p cos you knew his mates would be letting the tyres down or smashing the light if you didn't. The thing which I found strange at Derby was how the home fans were down one side in the paddock underneath a stand where they couldn't see anything that went above eight feet high. It's probably where Clough developed his philosophy of playing along the ground. Its still a right dump round there now 😊 I don't think the area around Maine Road has improved either. We weee stopped at traffic lights outside there about five years ago. Was being used as their academy then, I don't know if it is still. Anyway a gang of teenagers approached our car while we waited for the green light and opened the boot. They made a sharp getaway when they saw our rather large dog, who luckily was attached to the back seat, sitting there. I think he thought it was quite exciting but I'm sure they were looking for laptop or suitcases.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 11, 2024 12:31:24 GMT
Its still a right dump round there now 😊 I don't think the area around Maine Road has improved either. We weee stopped at traffic lights outside there about five years ago. Was being used as their academy then, I don't know if it is still. Anyway a gang of teenagers approached our car while we waited for the green light and opened the boot. They made a sharp getaway when they saw our rather large dog, who luckily was attached to the back seat, sitting there. I think he thought it was quite exciting but I'm sure they were looking for laptop or suitcases. They knew you were outsiders. No one stops at traffic lights in Moss Side.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 11, 2024 14:34:05 GMT
The book of clichés about how brilliant old football was on every old clip On the other hand, not one of those players would cope with the pace of today's game Would today's players cope with that level of physicality? The challenge on Hurst to prevent him scoring would be penalty and red card straight away but he just got up gingerly to his feet.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 11, 2024 14:50:35 GMT
The book of clichés about how brilliant old football was on every old clip On the other hand, not one of those players would cope with the pace of today's game Would today's players cope with that level of physicality? The challenge on Hurst to prevent him scoring would be penalty and red card straight away but he just got up gingerly to his feet. Personally think someone like Hurst couldn't cope at all with today's game. He does love biging himself up and put down the current game. Has lived off it. Yep is the physicality side but little else Everything was better in the old days days of course. I heard Allan Clarke talking re how his Leeds team would see off he current Man City side Absolute nonsense . They'd be chasing shadows and done after 30 mins. Is ok saying they'd kick them etc When comparing the games, physicality is normally the first thing brought up. I think it says a lot
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 11, 2024 15:34:55 GMT
Said it before my first away game and it’s been downhill ever since. 😉 but I honestly can’t think fo better result may be spurs away 0-1 whelan but this’s result should have set us up for our only ever title win I was there that day and a great great win but spurs absolutely battered us and could have won easily 5 1 lol 😂. They could and should Simonsen played like Gordon banks and Yasmin roiled into one and everyone sighed when the teams Exeter was announced
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Post by phileetin on Mar 11, 2024 15:43:22 GMT
did you mean exeter or summat else ?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 11, 2024 16:05:45 GMT
I was there that day and a great great win but spurs absolutely battered us and could have won easily 5 1 lol 😂. They could and should Simonsen played like Gordon banks and Yasmin roiled into one and everyone sighed when the teams Exeter was announced I assume he means 'sheet' not Exeter. Although God knows how autocorrupt came up with that I remember my heart sinking when Sorro injured his finger in the warm up and Simmo was drafted in. He then went on to play like the love child of Banksie and Yashin as Benji says. Ranks up there as one of my best ever away days but another ground in an absolute shit hole area made more worrying as I had my two lads with me. That walk back down Tottingham High Rd to Seven Sisters tube station was quite hairy.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 11, 2024 16:08:32 GMT
I was there that day and a great great win but spurs absolutely battered us and could have won easily 5 1 lol 😂. They could and should Simonsen played like Gordon banks and Yasmin roiled into one and everyone sighed when the teams Exeter was announced Le Bon🤔🤣
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Post by HarryTheHat on Mar 11, 2024 18:17:40 GMT
What a header by jimmy. What a player The presence of mind and technique to do that is just phenomenal
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Post by greystokie on Mar 11, 2024 18:42:02 GMT
You young 'uns don't know what you missed with that team. 👴
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Post by richardparker on Mar 11, 2024 18:45:47 GMT
I was actually there that day. Right behind the goal where Greenhoff scored his brilliant brace quite late in the game. The forwards were Greenhoff, Hurst, Salmons, Moore and Hudson. The Baseball Ground was always a quagmire in those days and football was a man’s game. You did not see much back passing then. Stoke we’re near the top of the old first division at that time. And their programmes were a newspaper!
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Post by pretzel on Mar 11, 2024 18:48:44 GMT
Like Benji it was my first away match. I just remember thinking what a dump it was round the Baseball ground and how glad I was really that my mates dad had insisted on accompanying us. Surroundings of the old Baseball Ground were very similar to both our Victoria Ground and Maine Road. Remember you parked your car up outside those sort of grounds and a kid would shout "Look after yer car Mr" and you'd give him 50p cos you knew his mates would be letting the tyres down or smashing the light if you didn't. The thing which I found strange at Derby was how the home fans were down one side in the paddock underneath a stand where they couldn't see anything that went above eight feet high. It's probably where Clough developed his philosophy of playing along the ground. 50p would have been a bit extravagant in 1975 mate, it was only around 65p to buy a match ticket
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2024 19:04:54 GMT
It must be my youthful exuberance but whenever I see matches from the 60s/70s the standard always looks so poor.
Yeah the pitches were bad and the balls were heavy so that doesn’t help but the truth is I’ve seen amateur women’s games played with more pace. Most of them aren’t nursing a hangover or enjoying a fag before the game either.
Bloody awful stuff.
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Post by lordb on Mar 11, 2024 19:08:41 GMT
The book of clichés about how brilliant old football was on every old clip On the other hand, not one of those players would cope with the pace of today's game That's just rubbish it really is
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 11, 2024 19:16:18 GMT
The book of clichés about how brilliant old football was on every old clip On the other hand, not one of those players would cope with the pace of today's game What a very silly argument. Its pretty obvious that those players would be not be turning up to play pro matches nowadays with the level of fitness they had back then. They would be playing with the level of fitness that is prevalent now, so it's a bit of a daft comment tbh. It would be equally daft to say current players couldn't play on these pitches. If these were the pitches players would be preparing to play on them accordingly. Maybe some would struggle, who knows? Its all relative isn't it? and it was a very different game but one which had its own charm imho. But what is not in doubt is the skill levels which existed. Players like Hudson and Greenhoff were highly skilled while having to play on horrendous pitches and sometimes playing 60 plus games a season.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 11, 2024 19:19:45 GMT
When footballers weren’t overpaid fannies They were actually underpaid and sometimes overworked, which is very sad, and some of them did suffer badly for it.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 11, 2024 19:21:57 GMT
The book of clichés about how brilliant old football was on every old clip On the other hand, not one of those players would cope with the pace of today's game What a very silly argument. Its pretty obvious that those players would be not be turning up to play pro matches with the level of fitness they had then. They would be playing with the level of fitness that is prevalent now, so it's a bit of a daft comment tbh. It would be equally daft to say current players couldn't play on these pitches. If these were the pitches players would be preparing to play on them accordingly. Its all relative isn't it? and it was a very different game but one which had its own charm imho. But what is not in doubt is the skill levels which existed. Players like Hudson and Greenhoff were highly skilled while having to play on horrendous pitches and sometimes playing 60 plus games a season. Yep but was more referring to a comment made from a player from back then just this week and like I said...these old clips bring out the same clichés ...you can guarantee it Playing 60 plus games a season then is very different from now. Another of the clichés you hear, player played 3 games a week etc no problem then..of course they could buy a different game No one is doubting the skill levels but when you hear Hurst and Clarke talking like they have then it is relevant. Of course they would have to be at a different level today. They simply couldn't handle it Being able to constantly kick someone doesn't make you a great old player either. Didn't we suffer 4 broken legs one season. Yes the great hard men from back then
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 11, 2024 19:29:19 GMT
Football is way better now. Them old out of shape cloggers back in the day weren’t entertaining although it took a special kind of skill to play on those pitches. Georgie Best being the example
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 11, 2024 19:36:29 GMT
Football is way better now. Them old out of shape cloggers back in the day weren’t entertaining although it took a special kind of skill to play on those pitches. Georgie Best being the example Watching games from the 70s and 80s is like watching a bunch of Dads coming out of the pub and nicking kids ball at times When football was football Proper football Imagine players today playing on those pitches Better than today's overpaid players etc You get them on every old clip
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Post by wakeypotter on Mar 11, 2024 19:56:42 GMT
Football is way better now. Them old out of shape cloggers back in the day weren’t entertaining although it took a special kind of skill to play on those pitches. Georgie Best being the example No mate got to disagree There were no diving and cheating that’s what I can’t stand about football now. Nowadays players have the power which is wrong it should always be the club that calls the shots. Could you imagine look at the pitches they used to play on to the carpets they play on now. Football has been spoiled
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Post by greystokie on Mar 11, 2024 20:54:02 GMT
Derby's Baseball Ground pitch was exceptionally bad and not all pitches were as churned up as that, in fact many of them were pretty decent for the majority of the season.
Although the rules at that time allowed more robust tackles there were many players who, despite that, were still able to demonstrate a very high level of skill. One only has to look at Greenhoff and Hudson to see that is the case and there were many more playing for other teams that were (almost!) equally as good. It wasn't all kick and rush by any means.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 11, 2024 21:00:22 GMT
Football is way better now. Them old out of shape cloggers back in the day weren’t entertaining although it took a special kind of skill to play on those pitches. Georgie Best being the example No mate got to disagree There were no diving and cheating that’s what I can’t stand about football now. Nowadays players have the power which is wrong it should always be the club that calls the shots. Could you imagine look at the pitches they used to play on to the carpets they play on now. Football has been spoiled Fair enough opinion mate. For me though I watch games from the past. ITV4 revisited from the 70’s is an interesting watch but when Sky put on, say Man United vs Arsenal from the early 2000’s they are 100mph end to end games, still with plenty of needle with likes of Keane, Viera, Scholes, Bergkamp etc. For me that was the golden era
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Post by wakeypotter on Mar 11, 2024 21:28:22 GMT
No mate got to disagree There were no diving and cheating that’s what I can’t stand about football now. Nowadays players have the power which is wrong it should always be the club that calls the shots. Could you imagine look at the pitches they used to play on to the carpets they play on now. Football has been spoiled Fair enough opinion mate. For me though I watch games from the past. ITV4 revisited from the 70’s is an interesting watch but when Sky put on, say Man United vs Arsenal from the early 2000’s they are 100mph end to end games, still with plenty of needle with likes of Keane, Viera, Scholes, Bergkamp etc. For me that was the golden era I must say mate in the modern game that was by far the best period and I d I’d enjoy it then. It just seems to have taken a couple of notches up with the cheating that goes on. But yes it was a golden era 👍
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 11, 2024 21:29:34 GMT
Fair enough opinion mate. For me though I watch games from the past. ITV4 revisited from the 70’s is an interesting watch but when Sky put on, say Man United vs Arsenal from the early 2000’s they are 100mph end to end games, still with plenty of needle with likes of Keane, Viera, Scholes, Bergkamp etc. For me that was the golden era I must say mate in the modern game that was by far the best period and I d I’d enjoy it then. It just seems to have taken a couple of notches up with the cheating that goes on. But yes it was a golden era 👍 Yeh the “gayness” annoys me these days. That game yesterday though
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 12, 2024 0:47:18 GMT
Surroundings of the old Baseball Ground were very similar to both our Victoria Ground and Maine Road. Remember you parked your car up outside those sort of grounds and a kid would shout "Look after yer car Mr" and you'd give him 50p cos you knew his mates would be letting the tyres down or smashing the light if you didn't. The thing which I found strange at Derby was how the home fans were down one side in the paddock underneath a stand where they couldn't see anything that went above eight feet high. It's probably where Clough developed his philosophy of playing along the ground. 50p would have been a bit extravagant in 1975 mate, it was only around 65p to buy a match ticket True probably 10p
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