Form tables - relegation teams

[PotterLog]

I've been thinking about it with every other fucker seeming to be winning recently, so just to have them here... this is the form of everyone within one win of us. Essentially we need to perform better than two of these teams between now and the end of the season.

10 games:

P W D L GF GA GD Pts

7 Queens Park Rangers 10 5 2 3 14 11 3 17
11 Sheffield Wednesday 10 5 1 4 11 14 -3 16
12 Huddersfield Town 10 3 4 3 16 16 0 13
15 Plymouth Argyle 10 3 3 4 13 17 -4 12
17 Birmingham City 10 3 2 5 11 17 -6 11
19 Stoke City 10 3 1 6 8 16 -8 10
20 Millwall 10 3 1 6 7 16 -9 10

22 Blackburn Rovers 10 1 5 4 12 16 -4 8

8 games:

P W D L GF GA GD Pts

4 Queens Park Rangers 8 5 2 1 12 7 5 17
10 Sheffield Wednesday 8 4 1 3 8 9 -1 13
11 Huddersfield Town 8 3 3 2 14 11 3 12
13 Birmingham City 8 3 1 4 11 14 -3 10
14 Plymouth Argyle 8 3 1 4 9 13 -4 10
19 Blackburn Rovers 8 1 4 3 9 10 -1 7
21 Millwall 8 2 1 5 5 13 -8 7
22 Stoke City 8 2 0 6 7 16 -9 6

6 games:

P W D L GF GA GD Pts

5 Queens Park Rangers 6 4 1 1 9 6 3 13
6 Sheffield Wednesday 6 4 0 2 7 7 0 12
9 Huddersfield Town 6 3 1 2 12 9 3 10
15 Blackburn Rovers 6 1 3 2 7 7 0 6
17 Birmingham City 6 2 0 4 7 11 -4 6
18 Stoke City 6 2 0 4 5 11 -6 6
19 Millwall 6 2 0 4 4 10 -6 6
22 Plymouth Argyle 6 1 1 4 5 12 -13 4

4 games:

P W D L GF GA GD Pts

4 Queens Park Rangers 4 3 0 1 5 3 2 9
5 Sheffield Wednesday 4 3 0 1 5 3 2 9
9 Huddersfield Town 4 2 1 1 5 4 1 7
12 Stoke City 4 2 0 2 4 3 1 6
13 Birmingham City 4 2 0 2 7 8 -1 6
15 Millwall 4 2 0 2 3 7 -4 6
17 Blackburn Rovers 4 0 3 1 4 5 -1 3
22 Plymouth Argyle 4 1 0 3 2 7 -5 3

We're on a slight short-term upward trend because of the win on Saturday but it's rather alarming that three of the four teams closest to us (Wensday QPR and Udds) are consistently the form teams right across the last 10 games. Brum fairly mid-table as well. Blackburn Millwall and Plymouth fans must be very edgy looking at that.

[mickeythemaestro]

50 points will see us safe. So 12 points out of the next 33 available and we'll be reet.
We should have enough to achieve that in my opinion. And if they can't manage that then it's a case of the table doesn't lie and our fate is deserved.

3 points tonight and it all looks a whole lot different in the morning 🤞

[blackpoolred]

Wednesday have won the last 4 now, Millwall have new manager bounce and I think we can forget QPR they have won all 3 since losing to us.

I am looking toward Plymouth, Blackburn, Huddersfield, Birmingham now.

I just cant see any of the above having an awful finish to the season though, by that I mean averaging a lot less than a point a game - and certainly not 2 of those teams - maybe Blackburn who apart from their win against us have been in freefall.

Is 50pts going to be enough - not sure as it stands, we now need to win 4 of the remaining 10 games to get to that target which I can't see either, as up till now we have only won 27% of our games and would need to up that to 40% - but the last two performances have give us some hope and if we battle out some draws along with a few wins who knows - have us around the 48pt mark - but not sure that is going to be anywhere near enough?

[willieeetmiout]

Mar 5, 2024 22:57:50 GMT blackpoolred said:

Wednesday have won the last 4 now, Millwall have new manager bounce and I think we can forget QPR they have won all 3 since losing to us.

I am looking toward Plymouth, Blackburn, Huddersfield, Birmingham now.

I just cant see any of the above having an awful finish to the season though, by that I mean averaging a lot less than a point a game - and certainly not 2 of those teams - maybe Blackburn who apart from their win against us have been in freefall.

Is 50pts going to be enough - not sure as it stands, we now need to win 4 of the remaining 10 games to get to that target which I can't see either, as up till now we have only won 27% of our games and would need to up that to 40% - but the last two performances have give us some hope and if we battle out some draws along with a few wins who knows - have us around the 48pt mark - but not sure that is going to be anywhere near enough?

It's odd that you seem to suggest Millwall, Wednesday and QPR will be okay and fear we won't as we need to up our 27% win ratio to 40%.

Yet there are only 4 teams with a better win percentage than us (two have won a whopping 1 more game) right up to Watford in 12th.

So you are saying everyone else will up there percent to 40 but we won't???

[spitthedog]

We've played well the last two games, but I think we will basically struggle to score goals from now on and that will not help us. We've lost too many games to below average teams and ultimately we will pay for that. Happy to be proven wrong of course.

[blackpoolred]

Mar 5, 2024 23:06:15 GMT willieeetmiout said:

Mar 5, 2024 22:57:50 GMT blackpoolred said:

Wednesday have won the last 4 now, Millwall have new manager bounce and I think we can forget QPR they have won all 3 since losing to us.

I am looking toward Plymouth, Blackburn, Huddersfield, Birmingham now.

I just cant see any of the above having an awful finish to the season though, by that I mean averaging a lot less than a point a game - and certainly not 2 of those teams - maybe Blackburn who apart from their win against us have been in freefall.

Is 50pts going to be enough - not sure as it stands, we now need to win 4 of the remaining 10 games to get to that target which I can't see either, as up till now we have only won 27% of our games and would need to up that to 40% - but the last two performances have give us some hope and if we battle out some draws along with a few wins who knows - have us around the 48pt mark - but not sure that is going to be anywhere near enough?

It's odd that you seem to suggest Millwall, Wednesday and QPR will be okay and fear we won't as we need to up our 27% win ratio to 40%.

Yet there are only 4 teams with a better win percentage than us (two have won a whopping 1 more game) right up to Watford in 12th.

So you are saying everyone else will up there percent to 40 but we won't???

I think QPR, Millwall and Wednesday on recent form will get to the 50pt mark, I am hoping 2 of the other 4 have a stinker, but think they will all probably average close to 1 point a game as I think we will - but not sure 48pts will be enough, with some of those teams already ahead of us on points.

There are still some who think mid 40s might be enough - but I think it will be higher, I just can't see 2 of those teams collapsing and getting next to nothing and therefore making the target easy for us

[stokeoptimist]

As bad as we have been, 2 wins in the last 5 games repeated over the next 10 would see us safe on 50 points?

[Ex-term-oat-cake]

We need 10 points from 10 games and five of those are against teams in the top 9.

Reckon we could survive by 1 point, assuming we pick up points against Swansea, Sheff Wed, Huddersfield and Plymouth. But 3 wins and a draw from those four is a big ask.

[scfcno1fan]

Sheffield Wednesday back in the mix certainly doesn’t help us.

If they were to finish above us, I’m not sure I can see us finishing abide two teams.

The teams around us look to have quite favourable run ins as well.

It’s going to be very tight and we’re going to need to pick up a win against a team we probably shouldn’t.

[coomerson]

I think, if we keep this consistent core of a side, we have a chance of points from pretty much every game we have left. And we play a few around us. So fate very much in our hands. We bossed Leeds for 30mins last night. Away.

[Bojan Mackey]

QPR and Sheffield Wednesdays recent revival has sealed our fate I believe.

I don’t want to believe it, but I’m gradually becoming at peace with it.

[Roy Cropper]

Mar 6, 2024 8:10:47 GMT Bojan Mackey said:

QPR and Sheffield Wednesdays recent revival has sealed our fate I believe.

I don’t want to believe it, but I’m gradually becoming at peace with it.

That's what scares me - and the thought that we've left it too late. 2 weeks sooner and I think we have at least another 3 points.

Some huge games against Plymouth, Huds, and Sheff. If we could win 3 of the 5 remaining home games, then pick up a couple of points away, would it be enough?

[Bojan Mackey]

Mar 6, 2024 8:22:59 GMT Roy Cropper said:

Mar 6, 2024 8:10:47 GMT Bojan Mackey said:

QPR and Sheffield Wednesdays recent revival has sealed our fate I believe.

I don’t want to believe it, but I’m gradually becoming at peace with it.

That's what scares me - and the thought that we've left it too late. 2 weeks sooner and I think we have at least another 3 points.

Some huge games against Plymouth, Huds, and Sheff. If we could win 3 of the 5 remaining home games, then pick up a couple of points away, would it be enough?

That spell where we lost against some absolute shit has buried us I think.

I just can’t see us staying up no matter what scenario I mentally play out.

[femark]

Mar 5, 2024 17:15:02 GMT mickeythemaestro said:

50 points will see us safe. So 12 points out of the next 33 available and we'll be reet.
We should have enough to achieve that in my opinion. And if they can't manage that then it's a case of the table doesn't lie and our fate is deserved.

3 points tonight and it all looks a whole lot different in the morning 🤞

We have 10 games left to get 12 points. In the last 10 games we got 9 points...

[bhp]

Feel QPR & Sheff will be 15-18th in the end and quite comfortable. Form under new managers and over a 15 game period have been very good. By far the best from the bottom 8.

Middlesbrough & Bristol City have a good cushion and GD but could be 'on the beach' with both eyeing an outside shot at the play offs and that has disappeared. The latter 8 points from last 10 games. Both will likely fall a few spots but probably be ok overall. Watford similar 1 win in 5 but again GD is decent should be ok.

Will Millwall's new manager bounce continue and see them through?

Huddersfield got mid table form over last 5, 10 & 15 games which if continues will see them safe.

Blackburn struggling, their only win in last 15 games came from yours truly. Plymouth struggling 1 win in 5.

Birmingham I thought were decent vs us a few weeks ago, got a decent squad and since they have sacked Wazza have picked up.

Will go to the last day and be a shootout between us, Blackburn, Millwall & Plymouth.

[scfcno1fan]

Mar 6, 2024 8:43:59 GMT Bojan Mackey said:

Mar 6, 2024 8:22:59 GMT Roy Cropper said:

That's what scares me - and the thought that we've left it too late. 2 weeks sooner and I think we have at least another 3 points.

Some huge games against Plymouth, Huds, and Sheff. If we could win 3 of the 5 remaining home games, then pick up a couple of points away, would it be enough?

That spell where we lost against some absolute shit has buried us I think.

I just can’t see us staying up no matter what scenario I mentally play out.

Yeah I do think it’s more likely we go down that stay up.

10 games left though, a lot of football still to be played.

[mcw]

Mar 6, 2024 8:43:59 GMT Bojan Mackey said:

Mar 6, 2024 8:22:59 GMT Roy Cropper said:

That's what scares me - and the thought that we've left it too late. 2 weeks sooner and I think we have at least another 3 points.

Some huge games against Plymouth, Huds, and Sheff. If we could win 3 of the 5 remaining home games, then pick up a couple of points away, would it be enough?

That spell where we lost against some absolute shit has buried us I think.

I just can’t see us staying up no matter what scenario I mentally play out.

Yep, losing to Brum when on top for the whole game, losing to Blackburn and Cardiff away through imploding in the first half and not taking something from Coventry down to an individual error has put us in a hole I can't see us getting out of. We are at the total mercy of other teams now and we need to put together a run fast to demoralize the teams around us, which means 2/3 back to back wins very soon. I can't see it though. Bloody QPR winning away at Leicester having 30% possession and 3 shots of which 2 were goals is symptomatic of the fact that the gods appear to be aligned against us. Millwall bloody rising like lazarus and Sheff Weds appearing from the murky depths unnoticed, means we are probably looking at Huddersfield/Plymouth/Blackburn and possibly Birmingham and needing to finish above 2 of them.

[Squeekster]

Mar 6, 2024 9:22:42 GMT bhp said:

Feel QPR & Sheff will be 15-18th in the end and quite comfortable. Form under new managers and over a 15 game period have been very good. By far the best from the bottom 8.

Middlesbrough & Bristol City have a good cushion and GD but could be 'on the beach' with both eyeing an outside shot at the play offs and that has disappeared. The latter 8 points from last 10 games. Both will likely fall a few spots but probably be ok overall. Watford similar 1 win in 5 but again GD is decent should be ok.

Will Millwall's new manager bounce continue and see them through?

Huddersfield got mid table form over last 5, 10 & 15 games which if continues will see them safe.

Blackburn struggling, their only win in last 15 games came from yours truly. Plymouth struggling 1 win in 5.

Birmingham I thought were decent vs us a few weeks ago, got a decent squad and since they have sacked Wazza have picked up.

Will go to the last day and be a shootout between us, Blackburn, Millwall & Plymouth.

Huddersfield LWLWD
Stoke WLLWL

Not too dissimilar to us bar 1 point and we play them down here on easter Monday, could be a big game.

[clintonbaptiste]

Mar 6, 2024 8:10:47 GMT Bojan Mackey said:

QPR and Sheffield Wednesdays recent revival has sealed our fate I believe.

I don’t want to believe it, but I’m gradually becoming at peace with it.

 Nah, they've peaked too early. Neither will maintain that form.

[dirtygary69]

It's an absolute bastard of a league. I think we've been that concentrated on the bottom 3 that we forgot about what's above us and they've actually been in worse form. This bottom two will change every week until the end of the season now. I think we'll win enough, but I think it'll go down to the wire no matter how we do it. 50 points is looking like the required total, which is also pretty scary.

Although plenty of winnable games after Preston, we could really do with at least a point. A win would be massive for obvious reasons, but I'd take a point right now if someone offered it to me. It's another must not lose though, I think. 

This just shows how close/average the league is. Watford and Bristol City are still in the mix if they don't pick up quickly. In a way, I'd sort of prefer to go into the end of the season as we are and playing relatively well, than having already been on a run like Sheffield Wednesday, because you always know that's going to come to an end at some point. 

The midfield 3 now needs to consist of Burger, Baker, Laurent and Thompson. Cundle is nowhere near it physically. Ennis and Campbell changing in that top position and running the channels and in behind seems to be working too, even if it's not directly resulting in goals yet. 

[Northy]

Mar 6, 2024 9:44:35 GMT mcw said:

Mar 6, 2024 8:43:59 GMT Bojan Mackey said:

That spell where we lost against some absolute shit has buried us I think.

I just can’t see us staying up no matter what scenario I mentally play out.

Yep, losing to Brum when on top for the whole game, losing to Blackburn and Cardiff away through imploding in the first half and not taking something from Coventry down to an individual error has put us in a hole I can't see us getting out of. We are at the total mercy of other teams now and we need to put together a run fast to demoralize the teams around us, which means 2/3 back to back wins very soon. I can't see it though. Bloody QPR winning away at Leicester having 30% possession and 3 shots of which 2 were goals is symptomatic of the fact that the gods appear to be aligned against us. Millwall bloody rising like lazarus and Sheff Weds appearing from the murky depths unnoticed, means we are probably looking at Huddersfield/Plymouth/Blackburn and possibly Birmingham and needing to finish above 2 of them.

Add in totally dominating Millwall and not scoring, that could be vital in the points total, that was a big 6 pointer.

[mamathestriker]

We could do with one win from the next two.
That'd put us on 41 points with eight games to go.

You then hope we'd pick up points in the favourable home games, Huddersfield, Plymouth and Bristol City. Maximum points against them and we'd be on 50 which you'd have to hope is enough.

Saturday v Preston is HUGE.

[jokker]

Mar 6, 2024 9:58:19 GMT dirtygary69 said:

The midfield 3 now needs to consist of Burger, Baker, Laurent and Thompson.

The midfield 3 now needs to consist of 4 players...can we also play with 2 goalkeepers, 6 defenders and 10 strikers

[bhp]

Mar 6, 2024 9:53:30 GMT Squeekster said:

Mar 6, 2024 9:22:42 GMT bhp said:

Feel QPR & Sheff will be 15-18th in the end and quite comfortable. Form under new managers and over a 15 game period have been very good. By far the best from the bottom 8.

Middlesbrough & Bristol City have a good cushion and GD but could be 'on the beach' with both eyeing an outside shot at the play offs and that has disappeared. The latter 8 points from last 10 games. Both will likely fall a few spots but probably be ok overall. Watford similar 1 win in 5 but again GD is decent should be ok.

Will Millwall's new manager bounce continue and see them through?

Huddersfield got mid table form over last 5, 10 & 15 games which if continues will see them safe.

Blackburn struggling, their only win in last 15 games came from yours truly. Plymouth struggling 1 win in 5.

Birmingham I thought were decent vs us a few weeks ago, got a decent squad and since they have sacked Wazza have picked up.

Will go to the last day and be a shootout between us, Blackburn, Millwall & Plymouth.

Huddersfield LWLWD
Stoke WLLWL

Not too dissimilar to us bar 1 point and we play them down here on easter Monday, could be a big game.

4 pts better off over 10 games but relatively even over different periods I agree. Will be in the mix.

The home games are kind overall. Playing a lot of teams poor away from home, all outside of the top half in the away table. 

14 - WBA 20/17
15 - Bristol 20/18
18 - Norwich 17/17
20 - Huddersfield 16/17
22 - Plymouth 12/18.

If we can't win 3 from them 5 we deserve all we get. Considering Middlesbrough are 7th in away table they were shocking!

[walkley]

Mar 6, 2024 9:58:19 GMT dirtygary69 said:

It's an absolute bastard of a league. I think we've been that concentrated on the bottom 3 that we forgot about what's above us and they've actually been in worse form. This bottom two will change every week until the end of the season now. I think we'll win enough, but I think it'll go down to the wire no matter how we do it. 50 points is looking like the required total, which is also pretty scary.

Although plenty of winnable games after Preston, we could really do with at least a point. A win would be massive for obvious reasons, but I'd take a point right now if someone offered it to me. It's another must not lose though, I think. 

This just shows how close/average the league is. Watford and Bristol City are still in the mix if they don't pick up quickly. In a way, I'd sort of prefer to go into the end of the season as we are and playing relatively well, than having already been on a run like Sheffield Wednesday, because you always know that's going to come to an end at some point. 

The midfield 3 now needs to consist of Burger, Baker, Laurent and Thompson. Cundle is nowhere near it physically. Ennis and Campbell changing in that top position and running the channels and in behind seems to be working too, even if it's not directly resulting in goals yet. 

Since December 1st when sat bottom on 7 points from 18 games we've amassed 31 from the next 18, it isn't just a flash in the pan its down to the manager and his tactics and attention to detail, the fact we are in the mix to stay up is amazing given our start.

Gonna be a nervy last 10 games for every club down there. All the best.

[swampmongrel]

The optimist in me 'feels' that this is more like 2019/2020 than 1997/1998 and we'll eventually come good and start scoring enough to get the points fairly comfortably.

If I'm wrong, I'll be storming the Tony Waddington suite along with the rest of you.

[dirtygary69]

Mar 6, 2024 10:23:33 GMT jokker said:

Mar 6, 2024 9:58:19 GMT dirtygary69 said:

The midfield 3 now needs to consist of Burger, Baker, Laurent and Thompson.

The midfield 3 now needs to consist of 4 players...can we also play with 2 goalkeepers, 6 defenders and 10 strikers

"The midfield 3 now needs to consist of Burger, Baker, Laurent and Thompson. Cundle is nowhere near it physically" - which obviously means the midfield needs to consist of 3 from that 4, and not Cundle. 

You're such a moron sometimes. Don't know if it's on purpose or a language barrier or whatever, you just seem spiky and offhand. 

[ethers26]

Sunderland fans worried as well

Lost 5 in a row with some tough fixtures til the end

[PotterLog]

Mar 6, 2024 12:36:06 GMT ethers26 said:

Sunderland fans worried as well

Lost 5 in a row with some tough fixtures til the end

Now that really is pant-wetting. They could probably lose every game until the end of the season and still be alright

[jokker]

Mar 6, 2024 11:15:09 GMT dirtygary69 said:

Mar 6, 2024 10:23:33 GMT jokker said:

The midfield 3 now needs to consist of 4 players...can we also play with 2 goalkeepers, 6 defenders and 10 strikers

"The midfield 3 now needs to consist of Burger, Baker, Laurent and Thompson. Cundle is nowhere near it physically" - which obviously means the midfield needs to consist of 3 from that 4, and not Cundle. 

You're such a moron sometimes. Don't know if it's on purpose or a language barrier or whatever, you just seem spiky and offhand. 

One of us doesn't have a sense of humour and it isn't me. But you can call me moron for humorously pointing out that your calculation was wrong, if it makes you feel any better....or you could simply have thanked me for pointing it out.