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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 5, 2024 0:02:19 GMT
No French call English, Rosbifs. Is that racist? Yes It is you get offended easily or look for nonsensical things to be offended by I guess
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Post by willieeetmiout on Mar 5, 2024 0:22:32 GMT
No French call English, Rosbifs. Is that racist? Yes You feel oppressed and marginalised by being called roast beef?
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 5, 2024 0:40:44 GMT
Why do you think it's woke to point out that someone is being racist? Hardly racist, just daft Hm. Not sure about that. There’s a number of things I can call my wife. If I were to call her “chopsticks”, I don’t think she’d be my wife for much longer. Also, chopsticks are literally the best utensil. They don’t scratch the pan and you can use them as a spatula. You can use them as a fork and a knife as well. I think that the guy that said this is a dick and I feel sorry for his son because he’s got no chance of being any better.
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Post by senojbor on Mar 5, 2024 0:41:20 GMT
I go in a pub and the barman always says, 'What can I get you young man?
I'm 67
Shall I report this to the brewery?
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Post by maninasuitcase on Mar 5, 2024 1:28:58 GMT
I think we need to realise that what's been quoted is not hardcore Racist abuse, it's a bit of a daft way of mentioning a player. Would said player be offended/upset if he heard how he was being referred to? Probably not. I don't think shouting Spork at a foreign players in the K League would be considered racist,yep. I guess is just something that amuses the fella and his kid and no one else it seems Not quite a spoon not quite a fork?😉
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 5, 2024 2:07:55 GMT
Referring to him as 'Chopstick' is the very definition of racist behaviour, I worry for those people who can't see it.
It's no different to calling a black player with a non English name 'Chocky' or something similar.
Having said that, I suspect there is probably no malice in the father's description of Bae whatsoever, he's simply just too lazy or too thick (or both) to learn the player's name.
It's the kid you actually have to feel sorry for.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 5, 2024 4:07:38 GMT
Hm. Not sure about that. There’s a number of things I can call my wife. If I were to call her “chopsticks”, I don’t think she’d be my wife for much longer. Also, chopsticks are literally the best utensil. They don’t scratch the pan and you can use them as a spatula. You can use them as a fork and a knife as well. I think that the guy that said this is a dick and I feel sorry for his son because he’s got no chance of being any better. Yep he is and that's as far as it goes ..no different than someone making a potato comment to an Irish player etc but some will always be offended and a bit precious and make a bigger thing out of it. Just making himself look foolish at most
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 5, 2024 4:12:01 GMT
You feel oppressed and marginalised by being called roast beef? 😁
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 5, 2024 6:19:37 GMT
I’d better stop calling my mate Paddy after all these years in case I’ve been inadvertently offending him. He still gets his round in so it can’t be too upsetting.
Perhaps some look too deeply into things, take out of context and then can see racism/offensive/abusive comment in everything. Just a thought
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Post by ohbottom on Mar 5, 2024 6:48:07 GMT
You feel oppressed and marginalised by being called roast beef? Can't speak for the poster, but living in England, no. On the other hand, if you were one of a small minority of Brits living in a French town and were continually called that, knowing it's meant in a disparaging way, and it's a term they're using because of your ethnicity, then oppressive and marginalising is exactly what it would be.
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Post by SCFC92 on Mar 5, 2024 7:37:12 GMT
'kin hell. The state of this thread.
How about we don't make assumptions of how someone, we don't know personally, may take and feel about what in my view is a racist slur. And just call him Jun-ho.
There are examples being used where we are talking about what we are calling our mates etc, that's different, you know that person and have your boundaries set out. However I would be interested with some people if they were to genuinely ask if their friends enjoy their nicknames, should they be border or over the line, what answer they would get. However that is for you and those close to you to work out.
It's not difficult.
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Post by Eggybread on Mar 5, 2024 8:29:17 GMT
Another depressing thread showing how stubborn and how far behind modern times we are.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 5, 2024 8:31:20 GMT
I don’t disagree with you. Sent without proof reading my last sentence adding that! Hence the original concept of the thread. Thanks Being woke actually is a good thing: "aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality" dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/wokeOr at least was...it's just been politicised into something that apparently isn't and as always there are people who go to far with these things. The term "woke" was taken up in the Afro American community in the 1939s to mean an awareness of black oppression and a call to arms to be aware of that oppression and fight back. It was taken up more broadly in the 2010s by other communities subject to discrimination. for example the LGBTQ community, as a rallying cry to call it out. The "anti woke" brigade claim their crusade is all about freedom of speech and a fight back against the left wing intellectual elite whereas the roots of "woke" culture are awareness of discrimination and empowerment to call it out and take action. Quite handy to have a justification to shout down a term intended to express empowerment of communities historically subject to discrimination and oppression. Who'd have thought it would have become such a popular campaign on the political right? The real irony being that whereas people with a justification to be "woke" are aware what the term means those describing themselves as "anti woke" generally aren't even aware of who they are actually doing down. But then I suppose being "anti woke" literally means celebrating a lack of awareness so you could argue there is a degree of consistency there.
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Post by hancockscfc on Mar 5, 2024 8:32:53 GMT
It’s unbelievably weird how offended some people have become in this thread from someone raising a pretty important point.
In first instance, perhaps the fan in question has an oatcake account and will see it and desist…
‘Why doesn’t the OP call him out himself?” - if the guy is dumb enough to shout racist slurs at the football, he’s probably not emotionally intelligent enough to form a response other than physical at being called out….
Hard to tell what side some of you are on from reading this 😂
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Post by stoke1989 on Mar 5, 2024 8:55:45 GMT
There's a older bloke back of block 26 who calls him ting tong, and close to him there's a lad in his 30s who goes with his lad, who's booed the knee since it's inauguration, got to admire his commitment.
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Post by pretzel on Mar 5, 2024 10:53:20 GMT
Is this guy similarly racist about other squad members?
Does he have other hilarious names for the Dutch players for instance like 'Tulip'?
Sounds to me that he's more to be pitied than scolded.
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Post by flea79 on Mar 5, 2024 11:16:30 GMT
jesus we have people upset about this stuff
its not very PC but i doubt its done with the intention of being offensive....
when you think about some of the stuff that has been sung over the years and not so long ago its small fry, for christ sake we used sing about how Adebayors dad washed elephants and the low virtue of his mother!
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 5, 2024 11:25:12 GMT
It is you get offended easily or look for nonsensical things to be offended by I guess That is a common excuse for justifying low level racism. Whether you are easily offended does not come into the definition of what is racist. I'm pretty sure if you look it up the definition of racism will be something along the lines of attributing characteristics or behavior to someone based on their ethnicity or nationality. Most people who talk about suffering from racism as a child mention being told when they complained, to ignore it, it was harmless fun.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 5, 2024 11:31:30 GMT
You feel oppressed and marginalised by being called roast beef? As I said above racism is not defined by whether a person feels oppressed or marginalised. Racism is attributing characteristics and behaviour to a person based on their nationality, ethnicity or religion. I have often heard people excuse their use of a racist slur by saying, "My friend's black and I say it to him all the time and he doesn't mind. " That doesn't make the slur non racist and often black people will say they put up with low level racism because they feel as if they have to.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 5, 2024 12:02:46 GMT
You feel oppressed and marginalised by being called roast beef? As I said above racism is not defined by whether a person feels oppressed or marginalised. Racism is attributing characteristics and behaviour to a person based on their nationality, ethnicity or religion. I have often heard people excuse their use of a racist slur by saying, "My friend's black and I say it to him all the time and he doesn't mind. " That doesn't make the slur non racist and often black people will say they put up with low level racism because they feel as if they have to. Ethnicity. Not nationality and certainly not religion.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 5, 2024 12:07:04 GMT
It is you get offended easily or look for nonsensical things to be offended by I guess That is a common excuse for justifying low level racism. Whether you are easily offended does not come into the definition of what is racist. I'm pretty sure if you look it up the definition of racism will be something along the lines of attributing characteristics or behavior to someone based on their ethnicity or nationality. Most people who talk about suffering from racism as a child mention being told when they complained, to ignore it, it was harmless fun. No it's looking for racism where it simply doesn't exist The Lee Dixon comment re the Kung Fu kick by Son and then some saying ..omg he's Asian and he called a King Fu style kick a Kung Fu style kick by an Asian ...how racist must he be to Asians ?. Is simply a bloke being an idiot with the chopsticks comment who seemed to think is funny. I can't comment on 'most people' who talk about suffering from racism as don't personally know them or how they feel or what they were told Does that include the woman who called Max Factor racist as their eyeliner said Black,/ Negro on the description Making a mountain out of this sums things up. People being racially offended on other's behalf as usual
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 5, 2024 12:09:07 GMT
As I said above racism is not defined by whether a person feels oppressed or marginalised. Racism is attributing characteristics and behaviour to a person based on their nationality, ethnicity or religion. I have often heard people excuse their use of a racist slur by saying, "My friend's black and I say it to him all the time and he doesn't mind. " That doesn't make the slur non racist and often black people will say they put up with low level racism because they feel as if they have to. Ethnicity. Not nationality and certainly not religion. Copied and pasted : Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · noun: racism prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized. the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 5, 2024 12:09:22 GMT
As I said above racism is not defined by whether a person feels oppressed or marginalised. Racism is attributing characteristics and behaviour to a person based on their nationality, ethnicity or religion. I have often heard people excuse their use of a racist slur by saying, "My friend's black and I say it to him all the time and he doesn't mind. " That doesn't make the slur non racist and often black people will say they put up with low level racism because they feel as if they have to. Not nationality. To be fair, 'No Irish allowed' was blatant racism.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 5, 2024 12:13:28 GMT
To be fair, 'No Irish allowed' was blatant racism. Yes it’s not cut and dried, there can be much blurring of lines when it comes to nation and ethnic group
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 5, 2024 12:14:39 GMT
As I said above racism is not defined by whether a person feels oppressed or marginalised. Racism is attributing characteristics and behaviour to a person based on their nationality, ethnicity or religion. I have often heard people excuse their use of a racist slur by saying, "My friend's black and I say it to him all the time and he doesn't mind. " That doesn't make the slur non racist and often black people will say they put up with low level racism because they feel as if they have to. Ethnicity. Not nationality and certainly not religion. Are you saying that people can't be racist towards Muslims because Islam is a religion found in many different countries and cultures?
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 5, 2024 12:15:31 GMT
The OP raised this in a very understated and measured way. He didn’t mention being “offended”, or getting him reported or banned, or that Bae would feel marginalised or oppressed. Or even racism in fact. It was framed as a suggestion to the gentleman involved that he at least learn the bloke’s name rather than deploying a crude stereotype.
Completely reasonable and I can’t fathom why anyone would react indignantly to it
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 5, 2024 12:16:28 GMT
Ethnicity. Not nationality and certainly not religion. Are you saying that people can't be racist towards Muslims because Islam is a religion found in many different countries and cultures? Absolutely
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Post by dirtclod on Mar 5, 2024 12:19:10 GMT
I'm offended by Arsenal, Bournemouth and anyone playing us at the time.
Was once told by an African-American coach that I hit a heavy bag "like an Irishman." That's a grudging compliment some would find "offensive" today. He was great guy and I took the compliment in context, instead of whipping out a phone and calling the UFO-CIA or whatever, just went back at it.
On this one, I find it cringy but don't know the complete context. That guy might actually love "Chop Stick" and it's just his backwoods redneck way of expressing it. Personally, I'd never joke like that - I like Bae, so just made the effort to learn his name. He's got a real chance of becoming a "Marvellous Bast*rd," then he's REALLY one of ours.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 5, 2024 12:24:17 GMT
jesus we have people upset about this stuff its not very PC but i doubt its done with the intention of being offensive.... when you think about some of the stuff that has been sung over the years and not so long ago its small fry, for christ sake we used sing about how Adebayors dad washed elephants and the low virtue of his mother! Absolutely The I speak for these people brigade and are triggered on their behalf don't take much as we've seen
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 5, 2024 12:25:32 GMT
Are you saying that people can't be racist towards Muslims because Islam is a religion found in many different countries and cultures? Absolutely This is widely contested too. Don't particularly want to get into a debate about whether it is or it isn't but just pointing out that there are numerous scholars and academics out there who regard Islamaphobia as racism.
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