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Sudan
Feb 29, 2024 14:39:28 GMT
Post by Eggybread on Feb 29, 2024 14:39:28 GMT
Anyone care? It sounds utterly atrocious. A quick wiki copy for ease. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Sudan_(2023%E2%80%93present)#Humanitarian_impactA civil war between two rival factions of the military government of Sudan, the Sudanese Armed Forces (SAF) under Abdel Fattah al-Burhan, and the paramilitary Rapid Support Forces (RSF) under Hemedti, began during Ramadan on 15 April 2023. Fighting has been concentrated around the capital city of Khartoum and the Darfur region.[ As of 21 January 2024, at least 13,000–15,000 people had been killed and 33,000 others were injured. As of 29 December 2023, over 5.8 million were internally displaced and more than 1.5 million others had fled the country as refugees, and many civilians in Darfur have been reported dead as part of the 2023 Masalit massacres. As of 29 December, at least 7.3 million residents of Sudan have been displaced due to the fighting. The humanitarian situation seems to be an awful lot worse than in Palestine and indeed everything about the war does.
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Post by backintheday on Feb 29, 2024 14:45:28 GMT
another one of the forgotten conflicts in the world.. Cynical view - not sexy enough for MSM attention
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Sudan
Feb 29, 2024 15:11:53 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 29, 2024 15:11:53 GMT
another one of the forgotten conflicts in the world.. Cynical view - not sexy enough for MSM attention Yup. There’s 5-10 other large conflicts in the African region. No one gives a shit sadly.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 29, 2024 15:15:25 GMT
another one of the forgotten conflicts in the world.. Cynical view - not sexy enough for MSM attention I don’t even think it’s cynical. There’s just not enough economic consequences for the West for news websites to care about dedicating time to these conflicts. The only time I read about any of these things is when I go to Al-Jazeera’s website. Even then, you have to hit Africa as a subsection. It just reads regional conflict after conflict, famine and drought while dictatorial leaders grow ever richer. No wonder Africans who can try to find their way to other countries. Life in many of these countries must be so bloody difficult.
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Sudan
Feb 29, 2024 15:16:14 GMT
Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 29, 2024 15:16:14 GMT
Awful.
Conflicts like Sudan just aren't "sexy" enough for the MSM unfortunately, most African conflicts aren't......
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Sudan
Feb 29, 2024 15:39:22 GMT
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Post by gawa on Feb 29, 2024 15:39:22 GMT
Is there any links with a brief summary on the history or background aside from Wikipedia.
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Sudan
Feb 29, 2024 16:05:49 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 29, 2024 16:05:49 GMT
Is there any links with a brief summary on the history or background aside from Wikipedia. news.un.org/en/story/2024/02/1146877In this report, you can download a word doc from the UN that gives a general overview of what has happened and the perceived future ramifications.
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Post by mrnovember on Mar 2, 2024 8:18:23 GMT
I watched this video back when it was posted. I nearly uploaded it at the time but thought better of it. It not only fairly succinctly summarises what is happening but also attempts to answer the question of why, ostensibly, the world does not seem to care.
He talks of war fatigue, yet the war in Gaza has been raging on and off for decades.
Also, you can't really argue that it's not grabbing the attention of the msm - it is. The Guardian, The BBC, Reuters, The Independent, AP news, NYT are or have all reported on it. It's just not drawing the attention and outrage from the public that Ukraine and Gaza are. No public appetite = less coverage.
He goes on to argue that the perpetrators of the massacres are confiscating phones and blocking access to the internet and that as a result, we're not seeing the litany of horrors as documented by the victims like we are in the aforementioned conflicts. This makes sense. But are we really so attention deficit as a society? Just the statistic of 18 million facing starvation alone should be mobilising calls for action at the top levels.
I'll call myself out on my own hypocrisy, because I probably wouldn't contribute much to a conversation were there to be one. I wouldn't march, I wouldn't put a flag up in my window, I wouldn't even write to my MP. That's because I'm a selfish arsehole in truth. Not that it doesn't stir emotion of course. But it fascinates me how easily social media in particular funnels our attention and influences the way the world works.
Fuck me, I've tied myself up in knots writing this. I might become an activist after all.
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Sudan
Mar 2, 2024 8:51:32 GMT
Post by redstriper on Mar 2, 2024 8:51:32 GMT
Sudan has always been stricken by something, I can remember pictures of famine, coups and civil war regularly over the past 50 years. Its inherently corrupt, with significant oil revenues doing fuck all for the majority who remain amongst the poorest in the world. 40% of kids don't go to school according to wiki so the future isn't looking any better.
Anyone wanting to help must be thinking "where to start". Given we are going backwards rapidly in this country we aren't exactly well placed to help others either. It's utterly depressing.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 2, 2024 11:38:43 GMT
I watched this video back when it was posted. I nearly uploaded it at the time but thought better of it. It not only fairly succinctly summarises what is happening but also attempts to answer the question of why, ostensibly, the world does not seem to care. He talks of war fatigue, yet the war in Gaza has been raging on and off for decades. Also, you can't really argue that it's not grabbing the attention of the msm - it is. The Guardian, The BBC, Reuters, The Independent, AP news, NYT are or have all reported on it. It's just not drawing the attention and outrage from the public that Ukraine and Gaza are. No public appetite = less coverage. He goes on to argue that the perpetrators of the massacres are confiscating phones and blocking access to the internet and that as a result, we're not seeing the litany of horrors as documented by the victims like we are in the aforementioned conflicts. This makes sense. But are we really so attention deficit as a society? Just the statistic of 18 million facing starvation alone should be mobilising calls for action at the top levels. I'll call myself out on my own hypocrisy, because I probably wouldn't contribute much to a conversation were there to be one. I wouldn't march, I wouldn't put a flag up in my window, I wouldn't even write to my MP. That's because I'm a selfish arsehole in truth. Not that it doesn't stir emotion of course. But it fascinates me how easily social media in particular funnels our attention and influences the way the world works. Fuck me, I've tied myself up in knots writing this. I might become an activist after all. It would be too much of a trope to label British Colonialism using the well trod tactic of partitioning a Country to divide and rule into the Muslim North and the Southern God Bothering Missionary influenced South. Since Britain in the mid 1950s, like in Palestine, Britain upped sticks and left conceding it was unable to Govern The Country has been almost perpetually at either Internecine or Religious War ever since. That doesn't even begin to explain it as at its core are the main reason all conflicts, Money and Power. The latest round of fighting started after a Coup ousted al-Bashir who had been President for almost 30 years. He was so popular he kept getting reelected by landslide majorities. He also holds the record of being the first and only ruling Head of State to be convicted by ICJ for Genocide and Crimes against Humanity, twice. There have been a multitude of internal and external agreements to halt the fighting none of which lasted very long. The IMF attempted to turn Sudan into an African Bread Basket like Ukraine to USSR but corruption put a stop to that. Even UN lost interest when Sudan backed Iraq in Gulf War Britain's prophecy came true in 2011 when the Country did actually become divided North/South in 2011 but that just created more problems because the Oil Wealth was in the South but the pipelines were in the North which led to more fighting about who was going to become enriched by the carve up, not the ordinary people obviously. As Redstriper says if you wanted to try to resolve the mess, where do you start.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 2, 2024 12:08:28 GMT
I watched this video back when it was posted. I nearly uploaded it at the time but thought better of it. It not only fairly succinctly summarises what is happening but also attempts to answer the question of why, ostensibly, the world does not seem to care. He talks of war fatigue, yet the war in Gaza has been raging on and off for decades. Also, you can't really argue that it's not grabbing the attention of the msm - it is. The Guardian, The BBC, Reuters, The Independent, AP news, NYT are or have all reported on it. It's just not drawing the attention and outrage from the public that Ukraine and Gaza are. No public appetite = less coverage. He goes on to argue that the perpetrators of the massacres are confiscating phones and blocking access to the internet and that as a result, we're not seeing the litany of horrors as documented by the victims like we are in the aforementioned conflicts. This makes sense. But are we really so attention deficit as a society? Just the statistic of 18 million facing starvation alone should be mobilising calls for action at the top levels. I'll call myself out on my own hypocrisy, because I probably wouldn't contribute much to a conversation were there to be one. I wouldn't march, I wouldn't put a flag up in my window, I wouldn't even write to my MP. That's because I'm a selfish arsehole in truth. Not that it doesn't stir emotion of course. But it fascinates me how easily social media in particular funnels our attention and influences the way the world works. Fuck me, I've tied myself up in knots writing this. I might become an activist after all. The role of social media in these conflicts is amazing to be honest. I myself spend more time on here than I do on news websites. I’ve often found myself hearing about something on here and then going off to read about it somewhere else in more detail. I have considered getting a paper subscription to WaPo or the NYT and simply shutting off electronic news. Especially with the Sunday papers, you get a much more comprehensive look of the world than you do simply checking CNN/AlJazeera/BBC/Fox a couple of times a day. In many ways, I think that there is just too much minute-by-minute news out there nowadays, most with little reporting beyond Wikipedia. Alongside social media, I do feel it can dilute one’s empathy as well.
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