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Post by LGH87 on Feb 28, 2024 12:41:32 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 28, 2024 12:43:35 GMT
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Post by flea79 on Feb 28, 2024 13:00:54 GMT
its a bit of a non story really, nothing new involved its just literally a timeline of the season so far....
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Post by spiderpuss on Feb 28, 2024 13:01:37 GMT
Hadn't seen that stat before, 19 of the 24 did not start. Holy cow.
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Post by Ron on Feb 28, 2024 13:02:00 GMT
A perfect summary from the only non local jounro who understands the club.
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Post by datguy on Feb 28, 2024 13:02:32 GMT
Half-arsed article if I'm being honest. Shame because I think if a journo delved deep into SCFC over the past 7/8 years they'd get a very good write up.
These owners get one hell of a public protection because they're rich and local. Unfortunately that doesn't wash anymore.
As Percy says the last time we were relegated to the third division was in 1998. Under the Coates family. It looks a certainty that's going to happen again. Under the Coates family.
I thank the family for their unwavering financial support. But that's about it. It's been an absolute shitshow.
Who on earth arranged that pre-season? I assume he was sacked a week ago.
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Post by datguy on Feb 28, 2024 13:03:43 GMT
its a bit of a non story really, nothing new involved its just literally a timeline of the season so far.... Really is a half-arsed write up which minimises just how poor decisions have been over the past 7/8 years. |
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 28, 2024 13:05:26 GMT
its a bit of a non story really, nothing new involved its just literally a timeline of the season so far.... Really is a half-arsed write up which minimises just how poor decisions have been over the past 7/8 years. I was a bit disappointed reading it...no where near in depth as it should have been! |
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 28, 2024 13:09:31 GMT
I didn't mind the article. As myriad as our problems/issues are, doesn't hurt to keep it on the front burner of discussion. Our stunning fall from grace is a valuable case-study for anyone looking for pitfalls to avoid when running a club. And describing it will likely require several more articles like that, because on the face of it - it's inconceivable. Most articles only scratch the surface anyway because none of these people work inside the club on a regular basis. It's just churn to keep interest going, so getting in depth will require what, 700 more articles like this?  |
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 28, 2024 13:11:16 GMT
They had a segment on us in this week's Guardian podcast as well, it was quite extended but similarly skirted around on the surface.. basically describing our managers since relegation and lots of chin-stroking and mystified shrugging about how nothing seems to work. None of these pieces really explore what the actual overarching problems are.
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Post by datguy on Feb 28, 2024 13:21:59 GMT
I didn't mind the article. As myriad as our problems/issues are, doesn't hurt to keep it on the front burner of discussion. Our stunning fall from grace is a valuable case-study for anyone looking for pitfalls to avoid when running a club. And describing it will likely require several more articles like that, because on the face of it - it's inconceivable. Most articles only scratch the surface anyway because none of these people work inside the club on a regular basis. It's just churn to keep interest going, so getting in depth will require what, 700 more articles like this? That’s Stoke covered now though, mate. A John Percy hit piece that equates to a lot of erms, head scratching and oh yes such a shame for these rich and local owners. Misplaced loyalties on tap. |
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 28, 2024 13:26:32 GMT
I didn't mind the article. As myriad as our problems/issues are, doesn't hurt to keep it on the front burner of discussion. Our stunning fall from grace is a valuable case-study for anyone looking for pitfalls to avoid when running a club. And describing it will likely require several more articles like that, because on the face of it - it's inconceivable. Most articles only scratch the surface anyway because none of these people work inside the club on a regular basis. It's just churn to keep interest going, so getting in depth will require what, 700 more articles like this? That’s Stoke covered now though, mate. A John Percy hit piece that equates to a lot of erms, head scratching and oh yes such a shame for these rich and local owners. Misplaced loyalties on tap. See your point - it's nothing that hasn't already been covered in the Oatcake and other media ad nauseum. Media is becoming so inefficient that you have to read 50 articles just to learn one small item of detail. |
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Post by skip on Feb 28, 2024 14:19:16 GMT
Hadn't seen that stat before, 19 of the 24 did not start. Holy cow. That's the thing that melts my head more than anything else Stoke related right now. Can someone with more patience than me write a list of the nineteen signed players that didn't play? |
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 28, 2024 14:26:20 GMT
If John Percy writes an article on Stoke, we are either doing really well or grossly underperforming, guess which one we are🤔.
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Post by Gods on Feb 28, 2024 14:32:50 GMT
I think its a nice summary for anyone, which is most people, who have not followed our fall from grace.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Feb 28, 2024 14:46:00 GMT
Hadn't seen that stat before, 19 of the 24 did not start. Holy cow. That's the thing that melts my head more than anything else Stoke related right now. Can someone with more patience than me write a list of the nineteen signed players that didn't play? It's a meaningless stat.If he'd fielded a starting xi of players signed this season 13 would still have had to miss out. Included in the 24 would be the likes of: Travers (no longer here) Chiquinho " Iversen injured Stevens " McNally " Mmaee naughty step Jojic u21s Then all the bench bar Fielding were new signings of which 5 came on. |
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Feb 28, 2024 14:58:10 GMT
I think its a nice summary for anyone, which is most people, who have not followed our fall from grace. It's effectively an update on the piece in the Athletic published not long after relegation, which amounted to a "Why are Stoke so Sh*t? (an Explanation for Outsiders*)" article. Club in same scenario (if not worse), dealing with similar issues just as badly. * And a few eyebrow raising revelations even for Stoke fans too. |
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Post by Gods on Feb 28, 2024 15:46:04 GMT
I think its a nice summary for anyone, which is most people, who have not followed our fall from grace. It's effectively an update on the piece in the Athletic published not long after relegation, which amounted to a "Why are Stoke so Sh*t? (an Explanation for Outsiders*)" article. Club in same scenario (if not worse), dealing with similar issues just as badly. * And a few eyebrow raising revelations even for Stoke fans too. And even more than that for many people it is a 'did you know just how shit Stoke have become?' article. Because most of my pals down south who ask me how Stoke are doing expect me to say something like we are not even in the playoffs. They actually don't quite believe me when I tell them we are in a relegation slot. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 28, 2024 16:04:00 GMT
In fairness to Percy, there's only so many times you can tell the story. We've been in the Telegraph before, The Athletic, online on HITC. They all end up having to say more or less the same thing because ultimately nothing has changed by the time it comes to write a new article.
Only major thing is "it's impossible not to feel sympathy for the Coates".
Not for me, it's very easy to not feel sympathy.
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Post by spiderpuss on Feb 28, 2024 16:44:51 GMT
That's the thing that melts my head more than anything else Stoke related right now. Can someone with more patience than me write a list of the nineteen signed players that didn't play? It's a meaningless stat.If he'd fielded a starting xi of players signed this season 13 would still have had to miss out. Included in the 24 would be the likes of: Travers (no longer here) Chiquinho " Iversen injured Stevens " McNally " Mmaee naughty step Jojic u21s Then all the bench bar Fielding were new signings of which 5 came on. Interesting list, I'm not sure about the meaningless stat though. It does mean 6 are ones that were purchased with hard cash, when they were advertised in bright lights during August you'd hope they would still be featuring. It does hint at the problem in so far our signings aren't great, which we pretty much knew. |
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Post by stokerstayinup on Feb 28, 2024 16:58:41 GMT
It's a meaningless stat.If he'd fielded a starting xi of players signed this season 13 would still have had to miss out. Included in the 24 would be the likes of: Travers (no longer here) Chiquinho " Iversen injured Stevens " McNally " Mmaee naughty step Jojic u21s Then all the bench bar Fielding were new signings of which 5 came on. Interesting list, I'm not sure about the meaningless stat though. It does mean 6 are ones that were purchased with hard cash, when they were advertised in bright lights during August you'd hope they would still be featuring. It does hint at the problem in so far our signings aren't great, which we pretty much knew. Iversen and McNally would both had played if not injured.The other 4 were rested as it was the third game of a three game week,and all came off the bench in the second half and returned to the starting line up in the next game. |
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Post by skip on Feb 28, 2024 17:03:31 GMT
It's a meaningless stat.If he'd fielded a starting xi of players signed this season 13 would still have had to miss out. Included in the 24 would be the likes of: Travers (no longer here) Chiquinho " Iversen injured Stevens " McNally " Mmaee naughty step Jojic u21s Then all the bench bar Fielding were new signings of which 5 came on. Interesting list, I'm not sure about the meaningless stat though. It does mean 6 are ones that were purchased with hard cash, when they were advertised in bright lights during August you'd hope they would still be featuring. It does hint at the problem in so far our signings aren't great, which we pretty much knew. Just thinking about Jojic, were we really in a position to spend millions on 'one for the future', when we needed to build a competitive squad for the immediate term? The whole rebuild plan (Edwards & Neil Inc.) was farcical, and signed off by John Coates. |
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Post by greystokie on Feb 28, 2024 18:55:46 GMT
It's a general piece written for readers who won't necessarily be Stoke fans. For anyone who is a Stoke fan then it's no more than a re-hash of what we know already. Percy gets good access to the club and although I'm sure, like most of us, he's well aware of the problems stemming from the top he's not going to burn his boats by being openly critical of John Coates.
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Post by lordb on Feb 28, 2024 19:28:17 GMT
Half-arsed article if I'm being honest. Shame because I think if a journo delved deep into SCFC over the past 7/8 years they'd get a very good write up. These owners get one hell of a public protection because they're rich and local. Unfortunately that doesn't wash anymore. As Percy says the last time we were relegated to the third division was in 1998. Under the Coates family. It looks a certainty that's going to happen again. Under the Coates family. I thank the family for their unwavering financial support. But that's about it. It's been an absolute shitshow. Who on earth arranged that pre-season? I assume he was sacked a week ago. Yes RM arranged pre season |
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Feb 29, 2024 3:36:49 GMT
Good article but tells us nothing new. But not read it all tbh. Depressed enough without more soul searching.
Apart from machinery falling on an instructor in Spain.
Typical farcical Stoke..
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