skidog
Academy Starlet
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Post by skidog on Feb 26, 2024 1:21:20 GMT
John Coates is an incompetent minge. It’s that simple. And therein lies the problem, he, like most people will never admit to being totally and utterly wank at his job. His father, whilst recognising the fact that his son is totally and utterly wank at his job, can never come out and say that because, A) it’s his son and B) it was him that gave him the job! 🙄
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Post by scfcnicholas on Feb 26, 2024 2:24:46 GMT
The Coats family have done well for SCFC over the years, but I now think that we need new owners. Remember the old saying 'a fish rots from the head'. My fear at the moment is that we will end up in Division 2 in two or three years. It's happened to Coventry and Portsmouth. Portsmouth are tinpot
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 26, 2024 2:42:10 GMT
Anyone who wants the Coates out of Stoke want there heads looking at, do you think they would just walk away and not want there loans payed back and who you do you think would come in and pay the money needed, they need someone to run the club for them not sell it. The family are massive fans who put their money in to Stoke, we would be screwed without the family wether you like it or not . Don’t disagree but we are screwed with them also. That’s the predicament we are in unfortunately
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Feb 26, 2024 3:15:42 GMT
We're heading in only one direction with John Coates running the show, and probably the same direction if the family were to sell up tomorrow.
It was clear that following relegation, there was no contingency plan in place to come back up outside of 'We'll just throw money at it' and in all walks of business, you need to have a plan - a structure - a culture in place to help get the best out of what you've got, and put yourselves in a position to succeed. It's probably more short-sightedness rather than intentional neglect, but I am 100% sure that if we were to get relegated again - that the same issue rear it's ugly head as we flounder around without an actual plan to come back up, outside of 'We'll just throw money at it'.
I'm not particularly arsed who funds the club, but some people are and don't want to see the back of the Coates family entirely. That's fine, they can keep writing the cheques because it doesn't really matter - but what does matter is who runs this club, and it's fucking very evident it shouldn't be John Coates. An organisational structure needs to come in to change how the club is run to it's very core. One that has a plan, gives a shit about not only the results on the field, but how the club is marketed - how it treats it's fans - GROWTH.
Getting relegated or staying in the Championship, sadly, doesn't matter unless something internal changes. This club has some of the best fans in the fucking world - and they deserve a club that can pull their head out of the sand and realise this isn't the way forward.
It has to change.
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Post by hotterpotter on Feb 26, 2024 7:55:25 GMT
It's the owners. All this is down to them and nobody else. It really is that simple. I do not think it is that simple We get rid of them and where does the money come from? That is not an excuse. Maybe their patience, which did work for us in the past has created an air of ambivalence across the club And there's the massive problem. (If) our current position is the fault of the current owners, but getting rid of them is not the answer, we're well and truly stuffed!
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Feb 26, 2024 8:38:58 GMT
It obviously is something deeper than the manager but what exactly is it that the ownership are doing wrong? They fucked up allowing Neil to bring in Ricky Martin but they've backed every manager they've set on.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 26, 2024 9:22:40 GMT
The real problem is JC,but he is too stubborn to realise it.
By the time he does realise it,it will be too late,if he ever realises it at all that is.
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Post by threepoints on Feb 26, 2024 11:26:04 GMT
The real problem is JC,but he is too stubborn to realise it. By the time he does realise it,it will be too late,if he ever realises it at all that is.
Just interested in thinking when 'the rot' set in. For me it was the Mark Hughes' appointment, around the time we make those expensive and poor signings - Vimmer, Berahino and a few more. Since then it's been like an avalanche - a slow start which is now picking up speed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2024 11:33:56 GMT
It starts at the very top and ends at the very top, thats the case for any Sport/Business.
Your owners needs to invest heavily in bringing in the correct hierarchy with the credentials to match the ambition.
Your Director of Football Your Management Your Coaching Your Youth Development Your Off Field Management.
I'd argue the only one we have got right or at least improved is the Off Field side of things.
The rest is filled with inexperience. Which for a club that is desperate for some experience and stability is quite criminal.
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Post by mcw on Feb 26, 2024 11:41:57 GMT
Various folk have said it and it’s structural. Why do so many managers like coming here? Because we are always willing to rip up any foundations to accommodate them and their desires. Until the club operates with some footballing intelligence and commits to a philosophy that means changing manager doesn’t mean wholesale changes (new playing squad for that manager’s style etc) then this will go on and on.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 26, 2024 12:07:37 GMT
Ultimately it does sit with the owners.
The player recruitment has been disastrous since Hughes was in charge. This was also clear under Rowett, Jones, MON, Neil and judging by this transfer window also under Schumacher. More scrutiny has been needed over so many of the signings.
Rowett - why did he sign Afobe to play as a lone striker when he had always played his best in 2 striker formations.? Why sign McClean when his goal contribution output was absolutely woeful?
Jones - Preached the diamond, didn’t recruit for it. Stephen Ward or McClean at LB ffs! Shit the bed and went away from his principles with his line ups often looking like the team had been picked by a tombola and the downward trend continued.
MON - Eventually settled on 3 at the back with wing backs but again didn’t recruit properly, we never had proper wing backs on both sides. Also an epiphany that we needed a proper target man to make the formation work the summer before he was sacked and didn’t sign one. Fucking mental.
Neil - Allowed to bring in too many of his former players which aren’t good enough. Recruitment in general absolutely abysmal.
Schumacher - at the moment he’s falling into the Nathan Jones method of seemingly selecting the team by tombola. Personnel and set up all over the place. Should have insisted the Manheof money was utilitised elsewhere like LB and CB which are clearly problem areas.
I’ve seen clubs struggle because of a lack of finances, I’ve not come across any club like Stoke that has mostly completely spunked very good resources for the level we’re at up the wall, it defies belief.
The owners have got to recruit someone competent to replace Ricky Martin.
What we also need is for a manager to define a style of play and stick with it. Schumacher likes his 433 but the players we’ve got clearly aren’t capable of doing what he’s asking of them.
With loanees going back and players that are out of contract we’ve got another opportunity to make significant changes to this squad. Schumacher and the transfer team need to recruit accordingly.
We can’t have managers coming in and promising a certain style of football and then completely shitting themselves when they’re under the cosh, have your principles and stick to them but make sure you recruit accordingly.
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Post by ursemboys on Feb 26, 2024 12:09:03 GMT
Anyone who wants the Coates out of Stoke want there heads looking at, do you think they would just walk away and not want there loans payed back and who you do you think would come in and pay the money needed, they need someone to run the club for them not sell it. The family are massive fans who put their money in to Stoke, we would be screwed without the family wether you like it or not . Don’t disagree but we are screwed with them also. That’s the predicament we are in unfortunately That's why been a stoke fan is agony lol
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Post by ursemboys on Feb 26, 2024 12:11:11 GMT
Anyone who wants the Coates out of Stoke want there heads looking at, do you think they would just walk away and not want there loans payed back and who you do you think would come in and pay the money needed, they need someone to run the club for them not sell it. The family are massive fans who put their money in to Stoke, we would be screwed without the family wether you like it or not . Disagree entirely who says they would want the money back the money they have had to plough into the club has been all there own doing by making one mistake after another. Its there fault entirely why we find ourselves looking at another avoidable relegation. Being massive fans does not make them good owners in fact quite the opposite. seriously do you you think they would walk away and say thanks guys dont worry about the few hundred thousand you owe us.
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Post by desman2 on Feb 26, 2024 12:16:47 GMT
It all began with those immortal words " I don't know what all the fuss is about "
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 26, 2024 12:21:33 GMT
Why would anyone want rid of our owners, who are willing to invest millions with no return?
It's not the owners fault, they implemented a new model involving a DOF, and an overall club ethos, and it was badly executed by individuals who have since been sacked
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 26, 2024 12:24:22 GMT
Why would anyone want rid of our owners, who are willing to invest millions with no return? It's not the owners fault, they implemented a new model involving a DOF, and an overall club ethos, and it was badly executed by individuals who have since been sacked They employed a technical director on the recommendation of the Manager at the time. It's a completely backwards way of doing it and it is nobody else's fault but their own.
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Post by skip on Feb 26, 2024 12:24:49 GMT
It obviously is something deeper than the manager but what exactly is it that the ownership are doing wrong? They fucked up allowing Neil to bring in Ricky Martin but they've backed every manager they've set on. They put so much blind faith in the managers they've signed, it's both admirable but foolhardy, as they don't employ managers against specific club strategy because they don't have one.
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Post by skip on Feb 26, 2024 12:27:37 GMT
It all began with those immortal words " I don't know what all the fuss is about " And he wasn't being facetious, he genuinely didn't.
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 26, 2024 12:30:59 GMT
I recall that it started even before "what's all the fuss." Seems I remember things turning when they started preaching wanting the club to be "self-sufficient" or "self-sustaining" to explain why we weren't signing certain players when we were in the PL, trying to avoid the drop zone. For some reason I seem to remember that Peter made the infamous comment after? That entire league isn't self-sustaining outside of the largest 4 clubs and they've had to pump funds in repeatedly since.
It positioned us for the 50 million dollar "Rowett Gamble." (Which DEFINATELY backfired) Then the Jones "One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest" era ensued and so on.
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Post by Sven on Feb 26, 2024 12:31:32 GMT
we need taking to the Repair Shop theyre shit hot at fixing things but maybe theyve never had anything as broken as Stoke City
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Post by threepoints on Feb 26, 2024 14:46:54 GMT
Why would anyone want rid of our owners, who are willing to invest millions with no return? It's not the owners fault, they implemented a new model involving a DOF, and an overall club ethos, and it was badly executed by individuals who have since been sacked
There is an old saying, wrongly attributed to Einstein:
We need to do something to get us out of this doom loop
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Post by mcw on Feb 26, 2024 14:57:51 GMT
Why would anyone want rid of our owners, who are willing to invest millions with no return? It's not the owners fault, they implemented a new model involving a DOF, and an overall club ethos, and it was badly executed by individuals who have since been sacked They employed a technical director on the recommendation of the Manager at the time. It's a completely backwards way of doing it and it is nobody else's fault but their own. Exactly, we need to completely decouple the manager role from the DOF position. We need to find a DOF that is capable first and foremost, who oversees the playing strategy/ethos of the club and works hand in hand with an equally competent recruitment team. The manager brought in should fit the principles of that strategy/ethos and be able to pick up where the last manager left off, not come in and look around and go 50% of this squad doesn't fit the style of play I want to follow. You can't work in a situation where every managerial change is throwing everything else up in the air- excluding parts of the squad as they don't fit the playing style, changing management structures above the manager etc to fit their desires etc. It just breeds negativity and resent throughout the structure.
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