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Post by Rose City Potter on Feb 25, 2024 23:27:23 GMT
I think that it will simply come down to our lack of goals and as such inability to win enough if any more games
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 25, 2024 23:59:55 GMT
Anyone can beat anyone in this league and some average teams go on good runs
There's very little quality outside of Leicester and Leeds so things shouldn't be bad but are.
If we didn't gift teams the lead then have to play catch up we'd be ok
Not saying we should beat them but absolutely shouldn't be fearing anyone either like we did V a very ordinary Coventry side
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Post by idle on Feb 26, 2024 7:34:06 GMT
The ones that on the pitch are trying. The main problem now is that they have ridiculous tactics (introverted full backs) I'm not sure we'd get better if the fullbacks we're talking, gossiping and high-fiving all the time... (It's called inverted fullbacks, not introverted)
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Post by jhtstokie on Feb 26, 2024 8:41:21 GMT
Leeds have won 9 games on the trot, we’ve won 9 games all season.
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Post by jokker on Feb 26, 2024 8:43:25 GMT
a system ( introverted fullbacks) Unless you have access to their shrink files, I think you'll find that the fullbacks are inverted...
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Post by stokesupporter on Feb 26, 2024 9:22:34 GMT
It's very difficult for us to beat anyone, when we need practically keep a clean sheet in every game and still the most likely outcome would be 0-0. That causes pressure especially on our defence because they know that the first mistake means we've have effectively lost the opportunity to win the game and this fear for mistakes itself seems to cause more mistakes. It really is a nasty spiral.
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Post by stokienorthants on Feb 26, 2024 9:33:01 GMT
Isnt that what training is for. SS and his team have bought nothing technical or tactical to the way we play, just the opposite in fact. Ok,I get the fact that we were pretty poor when he arrived, but usually new managers bring in new ideas and get a tune out of the squad, new manager bounce and all that. Yes. We're in agreement. But I'm saying that this group (possibly including the staff) are incapable of that. For example, can you teach Hoever to have football intelligence? If so, how long does that take?
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Post by stokienorthants on Feb 26, 2024 9:39:35 GMT
It'a always doom and gloom. Remember when we were beating Arse, ManU and Chelsea with Pulis? It was doom and gloom back then. Then when we were hitting Liverpool for 6 it was doom and gloom with Hughes. It's what we do. It's like wishful thinking and only happy when moaning. I wonder how much of that negative energy and natural-born malaise permeates into the general atmosphere and onto the pitch. Is that why good players become shit when they come to Stoke and player we slag off as shit end up being good players when they leave? We never beat Man Utd whilst Pulis was in charge.
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Post by idle on Feb 26, 2024 9:48:41 GMT
Leeds have won 9 games on the trot, we’ve won 9 games all season. They're a relegated team from the PL. We can't compete with them anymore. Our comparison should be with Millwall, WBA, M'boro, Cardiff and Swansea. We're still shit. But the real question is whether Schuey is really under as much pressure as it seems here on the Oatcake. I'm not sure he is, and would be very surprised if he got sacked now. Maybe after the next three, but even that would be stupid as it wouldn't give the manager time to set up the team for survival.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Feb 26, 2024 9:54:52 GMT
We are paying the price for our inability to; a) Keep a clean sheet. b)Score goals C)To come from behind and win.
We were just coming through the turnstiles on Saturday when the 1st Cardif goal went in and I said to my mate "we might as well fuck off home now". It was game over and we've seen it too often.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 26, 2024 9:57:08 GMT
I was in denial up until the QPR match,but what I saw then really worried me.all I see is a team devoid of confidence,basic ability without any direction or plan. I actually think they are trying but sadly,and bafflingly, don’t actually seem to be good enough. The players aren't great but the bigger problem is a naive moron of a manager stubborning sticking with tactics and a system (introverted fullbacks) that we don't have the players for. We have very dodgy defenders who then gift goals every game. Not learning the lesson that we only got a win against QPR by grinding it out, and going back to his stupid inverted system. Having favourites (Cundle) who are a Schue in for the starting 11 every week, who don't bring anything to our style of play. Shuey needs fucking off asap and we need a firefighter in pronto. Tbf to him, we don't have the players for anything really. Out of interest, who are his other favourites, I can only think of Cundle?
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Feb 26, 2024 9:59:16 GMT
Even if we get a win against Boro we have Leeds away next, so it's not looking good. Leeds away won’t define our season. We’ve still got home games against Huddersfield, Plymouth, Norwich and (we always beat) West Brom as well as Borough. We’re in one of the worst home runs in our history but if we are to stand any chance at all we’ve simply got to turn this around.
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Post by anchorman on Feb 26, 2024 9:59:50 GMT
It'a always doom and gloom. Remember when we were beating Arse, ManU and Chelsea with Pulis? It was doom and gloom back then. Then when we were hitting Liverpool for 6 it was doom and gloom with Hughes. It's what we do. It's like wishful thinking and only happy when moaning. I wonder how much of that negative energy and natural-born malaise permeates into the general atmosphere and onto the pitch. Is that why good players become shit when they come to Stoke and player we slag off as shit end up being good players when they leave? We never beat Man Utd whilst Pulis was in charge. We didn’t lose every week either!
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Feb 26, 2024 10:36:20 GMT
We're wank.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Feb 26, 2024 10:37:08 GMT
We havent got a strong and dependable spine to the team and havent had for a while and until that changes I think we'll continue to fail.
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Post by caine on Feb 26, 2024 10:39:15 GMT
lose Saturday and think we are brown bread, not beating Leeds or Preston then there may be a mini gap above us....
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 26, 2024 10:42:34 GMT
Because I read the oatcake and we have a manager, team who are not trying or capable of competing in this division, but I read outside reports where our players are trying, competing but losing out due to a moment of bad luck. I work most Saturdays so don’t get to go much but I turn to the oatcake constantly to see how we got on. It’s bizarre how different the reports are. Is the oatcake just full of doom mongers or are the reports elsewhere not understanding our predicament. We're in a doom loop. This is the worst I've seen it since Kamara. Even under Lambert it went almost to the wire and you you could look back at certain incidents of bad luck. This isn't that - this is freefall.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 26, 2024 10:47:19 GMT
Even if we get a win against Boro we have Leeds away next, so it's not looking good. Leeds away won’t define our season. We’ve still got home games against Huddersfield, Plymouth, Norwich and (we always beat) West Brom as well as Borough. We’re in one of the worst home runs in our history but if we are to stand any chance at all we’ve simply got to turn this around. Agree, but confidence could be through the floor by then and already cut adrift. Those home fixtures look like games where we could/should pick up 9-10 points, but you know we'll probably lose at least two. If we do get points, it'll be in the games you don't expect, like away at Hull and Southampton. If we stay up, it won't be the easy way.
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Post by caine on Feb 26, 2024 10:55:35 GMT
QPR got a horrible March so we simply have to get some points, sounds easy but that weekend of results was unreal really
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 26, 2024 10:55:39 GMT
Been in the bottom 3 at any time is bad enough,but we have now got there When we could pick up no pts in our next 5 games,cementing us there,& cut adrift if the teams around us keep picking up pts.
So you could say,things couldn't get any worse.
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Post by mcw on Feb 26, 2024 11:06:05 GMT
The writing has been on the walls for weeks. The whole hierarchy has been in serious denial about the trend which has been playing out in front of them. We all said at least 6 weeks ago that the priority was to get points on the board in whatever fashion was necessary. The ONLY game we applied this logic to was QPR and in all others we have been trialing what has turned out to be a totally ineffective style of play that is supposed to create more chances in a risk/reward approach that would hopefully see us score more than we concede. It's been an unmitigated disaster and that is when we have been playing teams that are in/around us in the main. We have basically experimented during the set of fixtures that we could have got points from, putting us in a position now where the next batch of fixtures are daunting to say the least. I have no faith that SS's tactics are suddenly going to click to the extent that we can get points from Middlesborough/Leeds/Preston etc and I don't know how we are going to break this cycle of continuous failure. It's all very very depressing.
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Post by mcw on Feb 26, 2024 11:07:15 GMT
QPR got a horrible March so we simply have to get some points, sounds easy but that weekend of results was unreal really Yes, but they seem to have found a style of play and some confidence that gives them a fighting chance in most games. We on the other hand....
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 26, 2024 11:08:29 GMT
Leeds have won 9 games on the trot, we’ve won 9 games all season. We've only won 11 games at home since the beginning of last season.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 26, 2024 11:08:38 GMT
We lost on Saturday because of a clear offside goal and missing chances. We bossed the play.
We need to carry on as we are and get behind SS
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 26, 2024 11:12:56 GMT
Mate I get that, I really do, but the difference between a team that’s trying and a team that isn’t is everything. We concede first and lose. Goals conceded aren’t down to balls bouncing off of seagulls and into the net. They are due to an inability to defend basic things like set pieces. We then spend the remainder of the game “on top” because the other team are just soaking up the minimal pressure we exert on them. Then, the whistle blows and it’s game over.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2024 11:21:45 GMT
Apart from the following:
The board hiring a charlaton like Ricky The board hiring a manager with minimal experience and whose team has gone on to improve since he left. The manager swapping 6 to 8 players every game. The manager playing players out of position. The manager using a formation that doesn't work. The manager persisting with inverted full backs like we are Man City (even though it leaves monumental gaps that every team has exploited). The manager bringing in Cundle whose shown nothing and is seemingly unable to be dropped. The manager persisting with Travers even though he looks like he is a Make a Wish candidate. The manager creating division in the squad by creating a bomb squad instead of galvanising a group of players. The team can't score. The team can't defend. The team have lost 7 out of the last 8. Fans have lost all care and it shows in the stands. The fact they display a montage of over the years before kick off which makes us even more miserable knowing what the next 90 minutes is going to be like.
It's not that bad, the people who sit around me are all good fun, all on the same page and makes the dour display more tolerable. Also the queues for a below average hot dog are getting less and less. I also don't mind a bit of a light show on a mid week game, although that's going to be looking worse and worse when the crowds hit 14k next year.
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Post by stokiekm on Feb 26, 2024 12:36:56 GMT
Isnt that what training is for. SS and his team have bought nothing technical or tactical to the way we play, just the opposite in fact. Ok,I get the fact that we were pretty poor when he arrived, but usually new managers bring in new ideas and get a tune out of the squad, new manager bounce and all that. Yes. We're in agreement. But I'm saying that this group (possibly including the staff) are incapable of that. For example, can you teach Hoever to have football intelligence? If so, how long does that take? I don't think you can teach / train for that. You shouldn't really expect to have to do so, I'd make a massive assumption (I know, I know...) that a professional footballer has football intelligence if anywhere near the top 4 leagues here. Turns out I'm so off the mark it's unreal. Then again, I also expect that any Pro level footballer will be able to do basic ball control & shoot with their weak foot. Again, I'm way off. I guess I just expect lots of the basics to be covered, I live in dreamland. There's a Youtuber with the motto of Hard Work Beats Talent, I thought this could be true for football too but sadly not.
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Post by stokiekm on Feb 26, 2024 12:38:08 GMT
Leeds have won 9 games on the trot, we’ve won 9 games all season. How have we won that many?!
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 26, 2024 12:40:24 GMT
Apart from the following: The board hiring a charlaton like Ricky The board hiring a manager with minimal experience and whose team has gone on to improve since he left. The manager swapping 6 to 8 players every game. The manager playing players out of position. The manager using a formation that doesn't work. The manager persisting with inverted full backs like we are Man City (even though it leaves monumental gaps that every team has exploited). The manager bringing in Cundle whose shown nothing and is seemingly unable to be dropped. The manager persisting with Travers even though he looks like he is a Make a Wish candidate. The manager creating division in the squad by creating a bomb squad instead of galvanising a group of players. The team can't score. The team can't defend. The team have lost 7 out of the last 8. Fans have lost all care and it shows in the stands. The fact they display a montage of over the years before kick off which makes us even more miserable knowing what the next 90 minutes is going to be like. It's not that bad, the people who sit around me are all good fun, all on the same page and makes the dour display more tolerable. Also the queues for a below average hot dog are getting less and less. I also don't mind a bit of a light show on a mid week game, although that's going to be looking worse and worse when the crowds hit 14k next year. Its all looking rosy. Sack the fricken manager, we need to try to stimulate some sort of response, otherwise we're down.
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Post by Ron on Feb 26, 2024 13:16:16 GMT
Even if we get a win against Boro we have Leeds away next, so it's not looking good. Leeds away won’t define our season. We’ve still got home games against Huddersfield, Plymouth, Norwich and (we always beat) West Brom as well as Borough. We’re in one of the worst home runs in our history but if we are to stand any chance at all we’ve simply got to turn this around. Home games... we win lots of those don't we.
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