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Post by RF10 on Feb 25, 2024 17:30:19 GMT
Watching Man City on MOTD appears to be the only preparation SS has done to pull of this system. I get managers wanting to copy Pep but it's simply a case of you need the players to do it.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 25, 2024 17:31:37 GMT
Watching Man City on MOTD appears to be the only preparation SS has done to pull of this system. I get managers wanting to copy Pep but it's simply a case of you need the players to do it. And the hard work on the training ground.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 25, 2024 17:33:57 GMT
We’re no where near strong enough through the middle of the pitch to be arsing about with these kind of tactics. Flat back four, or even a flat back five (unfortunately) and keep some clean sheets.
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Post by baconburger on Feb 25, 2024 18:18:46 GMT
If you want to play open, attacking football your defence has to be better than average, not worse. Once you open up with a dodgy defence (which is what we have) then you are going to get picked off. Schumacher hasn't got the defenders to make his style of back 4 work. He has successfully played with a back 3 with wingbacks in the past - I really think that's his best bet at the moment. Persisting with his 433 is nuts. Equally it would be daft for him to go for a defensive approach - he's not committed to that style of play and hasn't done it in the past. If the answer is to setup as a more defensive side who play counter attacking football we need a new manager. And over half a squad of new players.
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Post by cheshirepotter on Feb 25, 2024 18:37:50 GMT
We're an absolute mess aren't we? All over the place, players not good enough and naive management. For all of Neil's faults at least he recognised this early on and tried to go defensive to compensate. This bunch of wasters would struggle in the league below. Clowns. Yea we are. A shambles. At the moment, sadly, both on and off the field.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 26, 2024 9:33:59 GMT
Best post in our current predicament. The squad if players, which he added 4 to, is better than the league position, even a point a game over the last 7, which we have rarely failed to achieve, would have us in an okay position. Once teams worked out our new tactics, we have been easy to play against. We don’t overload teams wide so they can block the middle, wait for Junior to roam or Thompson/Gooch to push forward, win the ball centrally and break. Most goals we concede involve the ball coming from where our fullbacks should be. Add to this playing Cundle who is so lightweight in midfield and we are always behind the game.
Line up with a conventional back four with one full back attacking wide at a time, 2 holding players in midfield, a 10 and our best attacking players (any three of Million, Campbell, Ennis and Maaee) and we will be fine
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Feb 26, 2024 9:48:20 GMT
Also Man City regularly have over 65% possession and generally dominate games, so adding an extra to midfield is a smart move to break teams down.
It is NOT a tactic for a bottom half championship team that cant string more than 2 passes together before losing the ball.It is clearly madness and leading to conceeding more goals.
The fact he thinks Thompson is actually a left-back is even more worrying than the general tactics. He doesnt really have a clue what hes doing because hes an average League One player who hasnt played left-back much before.
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Post by chamberlain on Feb 26, 2024 9:58:47 GMT
Inverted full backs, more like no full backs. Ridiculous to persevere with it ,when you're defence is like a sieve.
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Post by skip on Feb 26, 2024 10:34:30 GMT
Who is going to do the 'I saw Folly of Inverted Fullbacks with World of Twist back in the early 90's' thing?! Don't be silly....they warmed up for Yes (with Rick Wakeman) at the Victoria Ground in 75 Nearly but not quite. Folly of Inverted Fullbacks was a tune by the short lived pub-prog band Early Doors (not to be confused with the solipsistic Los Angeles outfit The Doors), who supported Yes with Rick Wakeman at the Victoria Ground, that was the inspiration for the name of the band that supported World of Twist in the early 90s. Addendum: According to Pete Frame's Rock Family Trees, Early Doors, split into two other groups, the rhythm section went on to form Three Points For a Win, and the lead vocalist got his hair cut and had one top forty hit - Extra Times - with his synth/new wave outfit Pass Back. Somewhat more bizarre still, Napalm Death did a cover of Extra Times, but it only lasted for forty five seconds. Peel loved the irony and played the Discharge version, and went straight into the 12" extended instrumental mix of the original, saying something droll along the lines of 'extra time is only over when the ref blows his whistle'.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Feb 26, 2024 11:00:28 GMT
Inverted full backs, false number 9 its all a load of bollocks. All managers are hell bent on over complicating things because they've seen what Pep has achieved. The difference is he has spent hundreds of millions and has some of the best players in the world at his disposal. For fuck sake, why can't we play a simple 4-4-2 with traditional left backs and 2 strikers. We might even score a few with 2 strikers, who knows?
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Post by skidog on Feb 26, 2024 11:21:02 GMT
Inverted full backs, false number 9 its all a load of bollocks. All managers are hell bent on over complicating things because they've seen what Pep has achieved. The difference is he has spent hundreds of millions and has some of the best players in the world at his disposal. For fuck sake, why can't we play a simple 4-4-2 with traditional left backs and 2 strikers. We might even score a few with 2 strikers, who knows? And we’ve spent £173m this last 5 years and look at what we have ended up with….a stinking pile of absolute dog shit. We have had so many players and managers and assistants and all sorts of specialist coaches but the ONLY common denominator in all that time is….🎼trumpet fanfare 🎼 is John fucking useless Coates!!
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Post by mcw on Feb 26, 2024 11:30:29 GMT
Inverted full backs, false number 9 its all a load of bollocks. All managers are hell bent on over complicating things because they've seen what Pep has achieved. The difference is he has spent hundreds of millions and has some of the best players in the world at his disposal. For fuck sake, why can't we play a simple 4-4-2 with traditional left backs and 2 strikers. We might even score a few with 2 strikers, who knows? It’s all a load of utter bollocks anyway, these alternative buzzwords effectively mean that the team is so bonded, so sure of the qualities and reliability of their team mates that they can adapt to the game themselves. Trying to foist such ideals into an under performing team is pure madness.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2024 11:40:18 GMT
I get managers wanting to copy Pep but it's simply a case of you need the players to do it. And the hard work on the training ground. I'm sure people and managers forget this. The reason Klopp, Pep and other managers of that ilk are so successful isn't just down to spending obscene money (look at Chelsea) it's the intricate, dedicated training. Everyone knows what is expected, everyone knows what to do, everyone willing to put their bodies on the line for a manager with personality and can back it up on the pitch. Anything less than perfection isn't acceptable. Yesterday we saw Liverpool stick on a load of kids in a cup final and nothing changed, they weren't lost, all over the place. They knew their job and executed it. On the other hand Chelsea had a billion pound squad and looked for parts all over the place. From top to bottom you have to be all on the same page, from the owners to the coaching staff to the cleaners. Respect and hard work. Results then follow. In my opinion this team is no worse than 80% of the teams in the league, we just lack experience from top to bottom, we have a whole coaching staff, director roles, ownership all learning on the job. We don't have that luxury.
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Post by Ron on Feb 26, 2024 11:52:36 GMT
Glad the biggest sign of SS ineptitude has found its own thread.
Shows his inexperience and a disconcerting arrogance to keep on doing it.
Junior is the perfect overlapping fullback. Playing him with someone he can link up with wide is what he needs.
The whole thing is a mess- but there are players in the squad who can and must do better.
In any event, im resigned to it now. If we stay up happy days. But we're never gonna get the amount of points needed to see us safe- fact.
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Post by superpotter on Feb 26, 2024 11:58:13 GMT
Have we got a defensive coach ? Who is he ? Or is he off sick
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Post by skip on Feb 26, 2024 12:22:50 GMT
it's the intricate, dedicated training. ...which is why Schumacher (apparently) went ape shit at players for not taking training seriously. Edwards oversaw the signing of some unprofessional immature self absorbed dickheads.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 26, 2024 12:30:26 GMT
I like to call it the Mad Nath syndrome - random player picks and formations that suit no one.
I'm sick of having managers who try to be different or progressive for the sake of it.
Just keep it simple. assess the players you have and their best position/capability.
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Post by noustie on Feb 26, 2024 12:35:44 GMT
Surely needs to pick a system and style based on the shite at his disposal, along with the culture and ethos of the team historically in general, although that's difficult without a recognised left back.
Man City play that way because they've only got Rodri that's really their only defensive midfielder so Walker makes a 2 in the middle and their left back is a centre half so keeps them solid - 5 defensive players 5 attacking players. Liverpool have wing backs who're better at attacking so have a bit more of a stodgy midfield three - 5 defensive players 5 attacking players. It's not rocket science.
Unfortunately we haven't a strong enough midfield to play wingbacks and not a strong enough defence to play a midfield that can't tackle a fish supper!
We can't even go to a rigid 4-4-2 as we haven't even got a lump up front who is mobile enough to hold it up and get us up the park.
It's an absolute fucking mess and even an idiot like me with the sum total of my experience being football manager can see you can't have a competitive side with that shower of sh!t we've accumulated (apart from Burger).
Completely figuratively and metaphorically lacking an entire spine!
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Post by noustie on Feb 26, 2024 12:40:27 GMT
I like to call it the Mad Nath syndrome - random player picks and formations that suit no one. I'm sick of having managers who try to be different or progressive for the sake of it. Just keep it simple. assess the players you have and their best position/capability. Purely as an example remember watching MOTD the first week Pulis had Palace - they drew lines across their two banks of four out of possession the week before which looked like a toddler on an etcha sketch then drew them the week after and they were straight as an arrow with ten yards between them. Make it as difficult as possible for the other team to score first then take it from there. The other issue is we're about as lethal from set pieces as a Nerf gun so can't just look for corners and free kicks on the break.
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Post by samuel32 on Feb 26, 2024 13:49:49 GMT
SS is doing exactly the same as his old pal Wayne Rooney did at Birmingham. Trying to play a completely new style of football too soon. Some of the defending from our inverted full backs was a fucking disgrace. They're clearly not up to it.
Did Schumacher learn nothing from what happened at Brum? If he hasn't, John Coates should, and get him out the fucking door pronto.
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