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Post by musik on Feb 22, 2024 9:55:38 GMT
On the News in Sweden this morning
3.3 million of our population here have a risky alcohol behaviour. Since it's a really big survey people have answered and the results and conclusions come from these answers, the presentator says you could add another couple of millions to those figures to come closer to the truth. People always tend to underestimate their own drinking.
This is alarming if anything.
It means the majority drinks too much!
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Post by musik on Feb 22, 2024 10:27:48 GMT
Then what is the limit to become an alcoholic?
33 cl strong beer
a little glass of wine
50 cl medium beer
4 cl strong alcohol (vodka, whiskey)
You are at risk:
If you drink 10 of any of those above in a week
OR
If you drink 4 of any of those above in a short space of time, for instance during an evening, anytime in a month.
Conclusion: if you drink 4 bottles of strong beer OR a bottle of wine - anytime - then alcoholism comes knocking.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 22, 2024 12:41:47 GMT
I recently did an NHS alcoholism survey. I tend to keep my drinking to Friday Saturday nights. But the questions were aimed at your drinking habits as well as intake. Questions like do you drink in mornings, do you forget what you’ve done because of drink, do you forgo spending in favour of alcohol purchase.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 22, 2024 12:45:47 GMT
The harms of alcohol do not just occur to alcoholics. Alcohol is bad for you. Even small amounts do increase the risk of many diseases and an early death. Understanding risk is important. Weighing up its perceived risk against whatever benefits you feel you get from it is ultimately what matters.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Feb 22, 2024 12:48:55 GMT
It's only risky if you run out
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 22, 2024 15:56:37 GMT
The harms of alcohol do not just occur to alcoholics. Alcohol is bad for you. Even small amounts do increase the risk of many diseases and an early death. Understanding risk is important. Weighing up its perceived risk against whatever benefits you feel you get from it is ultimately what matters. Whilst all of that is true it's difficult to assess your own risk. Firstly most studies of long term effects are unreliable as people routinely lie about their drinking habits - most often to themselves. Secondly guidance on safe drinking varies narkedly from country to country (7 units pw in Guyana to 35 in Spain) and thirdly an individuals ability to metabolise alcohol varies widely from person to person. Ozzy Osbourne could metabolise at around x4 the average, which is why he's still alive, whilst Richard E Grant can barely netabolise at all - one glass of wine and he's pissed for days. The definition of an alcoholic I always liked is someone who drinks more than their doctor. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 22, 2024 16:14:08 GMT
The harms of alcohol do not just occur to alcoholics. Alcohol is bad for you. Even small amounts do increase the risk of many diseases and an early death. Understanding risk is important. Weighing up its perceived risk against whatever benefits you feel you get from it is ultimately what matters. Whilst all of that is true it's difficult to assess your own risk. Firstly most studies of long term effects are unreliable as people routinely lie about their drinking habits - most often to themselves. Secondly guidance on safe drinking varies narkedly from country to country (7 units pw in Guyana to 35 in Spain) and thirdly an individuals ability to metabolise alcohol varies widely from person to person. Ozzy Osbourne could metabolise at around x4 the average, which is why he's still alive, whilst Richard E Grant can barely netabolise at all - one glass of wine and he's pissed for days. The definition of an alcoholic I always liked is someone who drinks more than their doctor. The differences in guidelines are exactly why I mentioned that people shouldn’t think about the problems in alcohol simply as a measure of whether they are considered an alcoholic or not. There’s so much politics involved in guidelines. One’s ability to rapidly metabolize alcohol is not a protective factor either. It may well stop someone from being in danger of risky behaviours, but rapid metabolism is driven by a secondary metabolic process that involves cytochrome P450 enzymes. When they are needed to breakdown alcohol, they do so by releasing a lot of reactive oxygen species that are carcinogenic. This is the second phase of alcohol metabolism. The first phase involves a different process involving alcohol dehydrogenase enzymes (often deficient in Asians (Asian flush)). A few years ago, there were a number of papers that believed that red wine was protective for things like heart disease because it was prevalent in Mediterranean diets (Mediterranean’s have better health outcomes at similar BMI’s etc). The emerging school of thought is that this is not really true, and the protective effects or more due to legumes etc and the lack of heavily processed meals. There is a linear relationship with alcohol and many diseases. It’s better not to drink. I still drink a couple a week though. I like the social environment of it and understand that “risk” does not mean guarantee. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 22, 2024 17:03:14 GMT
Whilst all of that is true it's difficult to assess your own risk. Firstly most studies of long term effects are unreliable as people routinely lie about their drinking habits - most often to themselves. Secondly guidance on safe drinking varies narkedly from country to country (7 units pw in Guyana to 35 in Spain) and thirdly an individuals ability to metabolise alcohol varies widely from person to person. Ozzy Osbourne could metabolise at around x4 the average, which is why he's still alive, whilst Richard E Grant can barely netabolise at all - one glass of wine and he's pissed for days. The definition of an alcoholic I always liked is someone who drinks more than their doctor. The differences in guidelines are exactly why I mentioned that people shouldn’t think about the problems in alcohol simply as a measure of whether they are considered an alcoholic or not. There’s so much politics involved in guidelines. One’s ability to rapidly metabolize alcohol is not a protective factor either. It may well stop someone from being in danger of risky behaviours, but rapid metabolism is driven by a secondary metabolic process that involves cytochrome P450 enzymes. When they are needed to breakdown alcohol, they do so by releasing a lot of reactive oxygen species that are carcinogenic. This is the second phase of alcohol metabolism. The first phase involves a different process involving alcohol dehydrogenase enzymes (often deficient in Asians (Asian flush)). A few years ago, there were a number of papers that believed that red wine was protective for things like heart disease because it was prevalent in Mediterranean diets (Mediterranean’s have better health outcomes at similar BMI’s etc). The emerging school of thought is that this is not really true, and the protective effects or more due to legumes etc and the lack of heavily processed meals. There is a linear relationship with alcohol and many diseases. It’s better not to drink. I still drink a couple a week though. I like the social environment of it and understand that “risk” does not mean guarantee. Your point about other factors is (legumes) pertinent. I've seen studies where effects vs quantity are a J curve - with outcomes (longevity etc) being better at a moderate drinking level(3-4 unit pw) than zero. But this doesn't take into account people who have illnesses who may not drink for medical reasons. Also people who drink a lot tend to live unhealthy lifestyles in other ways therefore are beset by ill health and morbidity of wbich alcohol is just one contributing factor. I would agree however that in medical terms alcohol is not really very good for you and you're better off without it. If you can genuinely take it or leave it then you're probably in a good place. If you find you can't leave it then you probably ought to be asking yourself why. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 22, 2024 21:28:17 GMT
One should alternate day by day between booze and weed. Half your booze intake straight away. Problem solved 😆 🤣
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Post by innocentbystander on Feb 22, 2024 21:31:06 GMT
"Doctor,doctor, I've got an alcohol problem - I can't get the stuff down my throat fast enough"
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 22, 2024 21:44:44 GMT
I drink about 40 units a week. My doctor says I’m a moron. Luckily I don’t know what a moron is so ill go with it for now
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 22, 2024 21:51:24 GMT
I drink about 40 units a week. My doctor says I’m a moron. Luckily I don’t know what a moron is so ill go with it for now Pussy, I can do that on a satdee afternoon 🤪 |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 22, 2024 21:53:25 GMT
I drink about 40 units a week. My doctor says I’m a moron. Luckily I don’t know what a moron is so ill go with it for now Look in the mirror every now and again. |
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Post by elystokie on Feb 22, 2024 21:54:07 GMT
One should alternate day by day between booze and weed. Half your booze intake straight away. Problem solved 😆 🤣 Undo some of the damage alcohol does as you go along, good idea 😄 www.marijuanadoctors.com/conditions/liver-disease/'Alcoholic Liver Disease: Another study looked at how marijuana affected the development of liver disease in those who drank alcohol. That study linked alcohol and cannabis use with a lower chance of developing liver disease compared to those who did not use marijuana' |
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Post by musik on Feb 22, 2024 23:53:05 GMT
I recently did an NHS alcoholism survey. I tend to keep my drinking to Friday Saturday nights. But the questions were aimed at your drinking habits as well as intake. Questions like do you drink in mornings, do you forget what you’ve done because of drink, do you forgo spending in favour of alcohol purchase. Then make sure not to drink 4 strong beer in the same evening. |
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Post by satoshi on Feb 23, 2024 7:22:44 GMT
I did dry Jan and felt worse
Dyor
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Post by noustie on Feb 23, 2024 9:42:12 GMT
I was probably 25-30 units just from Friday and Saturday - playing daft old fat bastard football means I don't drink on the Friday now and probably down to 12 units a week. The beer I scoop after football probably just about negates the exercise but defo feel a lot healthier overall apart from Monday morning where I'm walking like John Wayne needing a stiff shit.
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