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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 11, 2024 19:01:52 GMT
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Post by steve66 on Feb 11, 2024 19:12:43 GMT
Truly shocking glad I won’t be around much longer!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 11, 2024 19:18:09 GMT
Truly shocking glad I won’t be around much longer! That’s a sad thing to read mate. Never think like that |
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Post by musik on Feb 12, 2024 1:53:01 GMT
Any pictures of them?
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Feb 12, 2024 9:19:43 GMT
Nope... But as I said on another thread I wonder if any of them are called Dave |
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Post by Northy on Feb 12, 2024 9:25:41 GMT
There wont be as they are classed as minors, too young in our laws. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 12, 2024 9:29:43 GMT
It’s a sad state of affairs summed up perfectly by the thread title.
There’s something very wrong at the moment and nothing seems the same since covid. Though it clearly can’t be used as an excuse it’s definitely a factor.
Without doubt the age of young people involved in serious criminality is getting younger and those couple of years where schools weren’t open has affected some kids development (particularly those that were in there last year of juniors).
Unfortunately for some home learning didn’t involve education because not all parents bought into it and the lack of integration was a big loss in their nurturing and natural development.
I also think a huge factor is children being bought into this world with no solid foundation re a loving home or in some cases a loving and stable family.
It’s way too easy for children to be born for all the wrong reasons with no plan and no love from the prospective parent / parents.
It’s a huge factor in relation to the problems we’re seeing with criminality in the very young and is something that is passed down to them through the trauma they may experience at a very young age.
It’s almost second generation now so things won’t improve till things change.
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Post by deeside2 on Feb 12, 2024 9:34:37 GMT
These little bast*rds need to be made an example of. There's no respect, discipline, or real deterrent anymore and it stems from parents, school and social media (I wonder if they were sick enough to film it ?). I know this has been debated many times on the Oatie but the situation just keeps getting worse with no real upturn in sight. I would imagine the girl must be absolutely traumatised, has it been revealed how old she is yet ?
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 12, 2024 10:12:55 GMT
I dont disagree with any of the above, but I think easy access to online porn for young kids, and the affect it has on their mentality, and attitude towards women cannot be underestimated. Very difficult to regulate without wholesale ban on phones in school and then parents are up in arms if that is even suggested.
The last time I was working in schools, one of the biggest issues was stopping kids watching porn in school time, and it's hard to imagine that some of the behaviours towards girls from the boys were not influenced by what they were watching. God knows what they are accessing out of school!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 12, 2024 10:21:44 GMT
These little bast*rds need to be made an example of. There's no respect, discipline, or real deterrent anymore and it stems from parents, school and social media (I wonder if they were sick enough to film it ?). I know this has been debated many times on the Oatie but the situation just keeps getting worse with no real upturn in sight. I would imagine the girl must be absolutely traumatised, has it been revealed how old she is yet ? The problem is that a lot of the “consequences” are being taken away and sometimes education just doesn’t work because all the damage is being done at home/in the community and in private away from those that can have a positive influence. - Lack of proper consequences eg Young Offenders custodial. - To many youngsters out of education - Cuts in policing - Cuts in social services - Lack of foster care - Youth Clubs closing - Fines for parents so little responsibility on them - Stop and search deemed by some as too opressive - No proper policing of social media by parents or the likes of FB - In this case to easy for anyone what ever age to access extreme porn / violence on the internet |
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Post by wannabee on Feb 12, 2024 10:22:00 GMT
Nope... But as I said on another thread I wonder if any of them are called Dave As you know Police don't name people unless charged with a crime and if a minor only in exceptional circumstances As you have a fascination for names the most recent alleged rapist in the area is a chap called Stuart Thompson who appeared in Court last Wednesday charged with raping 3 women www.itv.com/news/granada/2024-02-07/man-charged-after-three-women-raped-in-city-centre |
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Feb 12, 2024 10:45:38 GMT
Nope... But as I said on another thread I wonder if any of them are called Dave As you know Police don't name people unless charged with a crime and if a minor only in exceptional circumstances As you have a fascination for names the most recent alleged rapist in the area is a chap called Stuart Thompson who appeared in Court last Wednesday charged with raping 3 women www.itv.com/news/granada/2024-02-07/man-charged-after-three-women-raped-in-city-centreThanks for clarifying that for me, much appreciated...Maybe these 4 were also called Stuart. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 12, 2024 11:02:14 GMT
I dont disagree with any of the above, but I think easy access to online porn for young kids, and the affect it has on their mentality, and attitude towards women cannot be underestimated. Very difficult to regulate without wholesale ban on phones in school and then parents are up in arms if that is even suggested. The last time I was working in schools, one of the biggest issues was stopping kids watching porn in school time, and it's hard to imagine that some of the behaviours towards girls from the boys were not influenced by what they were watching. God knows what they are accessing out of school! Completely agree. The effects of violent and misogynistic pornography as well as from influencers such as Andre Tate with their toxic masculinity are huge, I have two teenage boys and I'm constantly talking to them about the dangers of it......... |
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 12, 2024 12:24:02 GMT
These little bast*rds need to be made an example of. There's no respect, discipline, or real deterrent anymore and it stems from parents, school and social media (I wonder if they were sick enough to film it ?). I know this has been debated many times on the Oatie but the situation just keeps getting worse with no real upturn in sight. I would imagine the girl must be absolutely traumatised, has it been revealed how old she is yet ? The problem is that a lot of the “consequences” are being taken away and sometimes education just doesn’t work because all the damage is being done at home/in the community and in private away from those that can have a positive influence. - Lack of proper consequences eg Young Offenders custodial. - To many youngsters out of education - Cuts in policing - Cuts in social services - Lack of foster care - Youth Clubs closing - Fines for parents so little responsibility on them - Stop and search deemed by some as too opressive - No proper policing of social media by parents or the likes of FB - In this case to easy for anyone what ever age to access extreme porn / violence on the internet Then you add on social media influencers like Tate and his “I think the women belong to the man” (an actual quote) rhetoric and you see where these things are going. Some kids get more interaction with people like this on social media than they do with their parents. Worse, some parents gobble up crap from people like this on social media and teach it to their child. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 12, 2024 12:58:08 GMT
The problem is that a lot of the “consequences” are being taken away and sometimes education just doesn’t work because all the damage is being done at home/in the community and in private away from those that can have a positive influence. - Lack of proper consequences eg Young Offenders custodial. - To many youngsters out of education - Cuts in policing - Cuts in social services - Lack of foster care - Youth Clubs closing - Fines for parents so little responsibility on them - Stop and search deemed by some as too opressive - No proper policing of social media by parents or the likes of FB - In this case to easy for anyone what ever age to access extreme porn / violence on the internet Then you add on social media influencers like Tate and his “I think the women belong to the man” (an actual quote) rhetoric and you see where these things are going. Some kids get more interaction with people like this on social media than they do with their parents. Worse, some parents gobble up crap from people like this on social media and teach it to their child. i have to say I’ve never heard anything they’ve ever said as the idea of influencers I find ridiculous but I’m sure your right |
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 12, 2024 13:47:42 GMT
Then you add on social media influencers like Tate and his “I think the women belong to the man” (an actual quote) rhetoric and you see where these things are going. Some kids get more interaction with people like this on social media than they do with their parents. Worse, some parents gobble up crap from people like this on social media and teach it to their child. i have to say I’ve never heard anything they’ve ever said as the idea of influencers I find ridiculous but I’m sure your right I believe that you have a job that is far more in line with this issue than mine, so I’d ask where you rank those issues you raise with regards to impacting behaviour the most? In my naive/cynical opinion, it all starts with social media. Social media algorithms to keep you watching are not dissimilar to approaches cults give you (provide you with lots of basic, similar content and then throw in the odd extreme bit of content when you’ve grown accustomed to what you see). Social media keeps kids absorbed in their phones so that they don’t need to interact with people outside (so why bother building youth clubs? (I definitely believe that they should be built)). Social media does the same to parents and takes away the time that parents interact personally with their child (meaning the child can spend more time looking at “influencers”). Covid has now accelerated this by taking kids out of classrooms and away from some of their only regular points of contact. Independent of that though, while I am agnostic, I do think that the lack of church going has broken down a community spirit. Not necessarily because people aren’t learning about God but because beyond the Sunday sermons, churches used to offer lots of fairs, after school/work clubs etc that served as a good place to build community. Since disappearing, these haven’t really been replaced, leading to villages and towns with far less personal interaction than in previous generations. |
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Post by wannabee on Feb 12, 2024 14:53:12 GMT
I agree entirely that the thread title poses a very serious question and deserves serious response not a knee-jerk reaction The 42 Police Forces in England and Wales have compiled the Statistics for 2022 of CSAE and they make shocking reading Children now ‘biggest perpetrators of sexual abuse against children’ Police data shows 52% of alleged offenders in England and Wales are minors – a situation exacerbated by ‘accessibility of violent porn Boys are watching violent porn on their smartphones then going on to attack girls, police have said, as new data showed children are now the biggest perpetrators of sexual abuse against other children. The report from the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) said the offending by adults against children was usually more serious, but said they were alarmed by the growth of sexual offending by those aged 17 or under. Police received reports of 14,800 rapes and sexual assaults against children aged 10 to 17 where the suspect was classed as a child, the overwhelming majority being boys.Ian Critchley QPM, NPCC lead Child Abuse Protection and Investigation said: I think that is being exacerbated by the accessibility of violent pornography and the ease with which violent pornography is accessible to boys and, therefore, a perception that is [normal] behaviour, and that person can carry out that behaviour that they are seeing online in the most violent way against other peers as well. “Clearly the accessibility to smartphones has just rocketed, not just in relation to 11- to 16-year-olds, but in relation to under-10s as well. That accessibility has really exacerbated that and I think this is a debate that does need to be had in our society.” A third of attacks take place within the family, the most common setting for abuse, and eight out of 10 victims knew their attacker. Police said it is estimated as few as one in six offences are reported to them. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2024/jan/10/children-now-biggest-perpetrators-of-sexual-abuse-against-childrenThe Original NPCC Report news.npcc.police.uk/releases/vkpp-launch-national-analysis-of-police-recorded-child-sexual-abuse-and-exploitation-csae-crimes-report-2022#:~:text=52%25%20of%20all%20CSAE%20cases,a%20wide%20range%20of%20offending. It seems to me that the Police Forces in England and Wales have become alarmed at the scale at which CSAE is being reported while accepting it is vastly under-reported The Primary Source has been identified, Violent Porn on Smart Phones and the main perpetrators young boys aged 10-17 I must admit I was rather sceptical when I heard recently of attempts to restrict Mobile Phone access in Schools, I no longer am. The Police can't be expected to prevent the source which is in the Home/School but trained Officers can Educate in Schools with Parents participation Much attention has been given recently, rightly so, to XL Bully Dogs and the responsibility of Owners and penalties It doesn't eliminate but creates a heightened awareness Parenting too comes with responsibilities |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 12, 2024 15:14:22 GMT
It’s a sad state of affairs summed up perfectly by the thread title. There’s something very wrong at the moment and nothing seems the same since covid. Though it clearly can’t be used as an excuse it’s definitely a factor. Without doubt the age of young people involved in serious criminality is getting younger and those couple of years where schools weren’t open has affected some kids development (particularly those that were in there last year of juniors). Unfortunately for some home learning didn’t involve education because not all parents bought into it and the lack of integration was a big loss in their nurturing and natural development. I also think a huge factor is children being bought into this world with no solid foundation re a loving home or in some cases a loving and stable family. It’s way too easy for children to be born for all the wrong reasons with no plan and no love from the prospective parent / parents. It’s a huge factor in relation to the problems we’re seeing with criminality in the very young and is something that is passed down to them through the trauma they may experience at a very young age. It’s almost second generation now so things won’t improve till things change.
The UK has had the highest teenage pregnancy rates in Western Europe for many, many years, it's a national scandal, considering that we have the 6th richest economy in the world.
Study after study has concluded that there is a direct correlation between poverty and teenage pregnancy.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 12, 2024 15:21:44 GMT
It’s a sad state of affairs summed up perfectly by the thread title. There’s something very wrong at the moment and nothing seems the same since covid. Though it clearly can’t be used as an excuse it’s definitely a factor. Without doubt the age of young people involved in serious criminality is getting younger and those couple of years where schools weren’t open has affected some kids development (particularly those that were in there last year of juniors). Unfortunately for some home learning didn’t involve education because not all parents bought into it and the lack of integration was a big loss in their nurturing and natural development. I also think a huge factor is children being bought into this world with no solid foundation re a loving home or in some cases a loving and stable family. It’s way too easy for children to be born for all the wrong reasons with no plan and no love from the prospective parent / parents. It’s a huge factor in relation to the problems we’re seeing with criminality in the very young and is something that is passed down to them through the trauma they may experience at a very young age. It’s almost second generation now so things won’t improve till things change. The UK has had the highest teenage pregnancy rates in Western Europe for many, many years, it's a national scandal, considering that we have the 6th richest economy in the world. Study after study has concluded that there is a direct correlation between poverty and teenage pregnancy. There certainly needs to be more education in Schools. There is some but not enough. I think there’s still too much of this “have a baby and get a free home” attitude around. To be fair there is some truth in it. At the very least it will push someone up the ladder. It’s very sad that this is the only plan for some. |
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Post by musik on Feb 12, 2024 15:25:46 GMT
I do think that the lack of church going has broken down a community spirit. Not necessarily because people aren’t learning about God but because beyond the Sunday sermons, churches used to offer lots of fairs, after school/work clubs etc that served as a good place to build community. Since disappearing, these haven’t really been replaced, leading to villages and towns with far less personal interaction than in previous generations. Yes, it never ends well. |
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Post by musik on Feb 12, 2024 15:29:21 GMT
The UK has had the highest teenage pregnancy rates in Western Europe for many, many years, it's a national scandal, considering that we have the 6th richest economy in the world. And in the poorest countries in the world it's beyond scandal, considering they are poor. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 12, 2024 15:35:27 GMT
i have to say I’ve never heard anything they’ve ever said as the idea of influencers I find ridiculous but I’m sure your right I believe that you have a job that is far more in line with this issue than mine, so I’d ask where you rank those issues you raise with regards to impacting behaviour the most? In my naive/cynical opinion, it all starts with social media. Social media algorithms to keep you watching are not dissimilar to approaches cults give you (provide you with lots of basic, similar content and then throw in the odd extreme bit of content when you’ve grown accustomed to what you see). Social media keeps kids absorbed in their phones so that they don’t need to interact with people outside (so why bother building youth clubs? (I definitely believe that they should be built)). Social media does the same to parents and takes away the time that parents interact personally with their child (meaning the child can spend more time looking at “influencers”). Covid has now accelerated this by taking kids out of classrooms and away from some of their only regular points of contact. Independent of that though, while I am agnostic, I do think that the lack of church going has broken down a community spirit. Not necessarily because people aren’t learning about God but because beyond the Sunday sermons, churches used to offer lots of fairs, after school/work clubs etc that served as a good place to build community. Since disappearing, these haven’t really been replaced, leading to villages and towns with far less personal interaction than in previous generations. I’m no expert and can only base my beliefs on personal experience but I’d say For sexual offences access to extreme porn is a huge factor but it’s far bigger than that in that parents should be monitoring their children’s internet use. There’s plenty of apps that parents can use to be more watchful. What doesn’t help is the ease that young children can get on these sites too. I’d also say lack of education both at school and home is a factor. There needs to be more lessons (there are some) for those that are classed as vulnerable in relation to surviving in society. For violent crime it’s a case of take your pick but the biggest factor is lack of consequences when youngsters start offending. There needs to be more fear around real punishment. Youngsters are to far down the line before they see a real consequence for their actions. There needs to be more short sharp shocks eg day / week sentences where they come out thinking “I’m not going back there.” |
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Post by wannabee on Feb 12, 2024 15:49:58 GMT
The UK has had the highest teenage pregnancy rates in Western Europe for many, many years, it's a national scandal, considering that we have the 6th richest economy in the world. And in the poorest countries in the world it's beyond scandal, considering they are poor. And the same Countries have the highest Infant Mortality Rates, Lowest Access to Education especially Girls and Poor Access to Medical Treatment There is an Inverse Relationship between GDP Per Capita and Birth Rate |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 12, 2024 15:55:11 GMT
We could have a 100 similar threads citing all manner of social issues, but the reality is until we vote in a progressive government willing to make radical change we'll just keep talking about it. Reduce the inequality gap year on year and many of these issues will reduce by default............
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Post by elystokie on Feb 12, 2024 15:58:22 GMT
I do think that the lack of church going has broken down a community spirit. Not necessarily because people aren’t learning about God but because beyond the Sunday sermons, churches used to offer lots of fairs, after school/work clubs etc that served as a good place to build community. Since disappearing, these haven’t really been replaced, leading to villages and towns with far less personal interaction than in previous generations. Yes, it never ends well. But when religion is involved it does? You do know millions of people have died fighting over their imaginary friends? |
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Post by musik on Feb 12, 2024 15:59:18 GMT
And in the poorest countries in the world it's beyond scandal, considering they are poor. And the same Countries have the highest Infant Mortality Rates, Lowest Access to Education especially Girls and Poor Access to Medical Treatment There is an Inverse Relationship between GDP Per Capita and Birth Rate Yes definitely. The more people, the more bad it gets. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 12, 2024 17:49:50 GMT
I didn’t make the correlation between grooming gangs and this story to be honest. Just thought it was an awful isolated incident
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Post by milton58 on Feb 12, 2024 18:26:42 GMT
I didn’t make the correlation between grooming gangs and this story to be honest. Just thought it was an awful isolated incident it's Rochdale enough said |
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Feb 12, 2024 18:40:45 GMT
I didn’t make the correlation between grooming gangs and this story to be honest. Just thought it was an awful isolated incident And purely coincidental that it was in a town in the headlines recently for all the wrong reasons. I doubt very much these 4 are of the same community, that would be just to coincidental. |
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Feb 14, 2024 15:19:21 GMT
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