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Post by noustie on Feb 9, 2024 8:11:49 GMT
x.com/elonmusk/status/1755735631664128494?s=46Regardless of opinion of either this is what journalism looks like and 66m views shows why mainstream media is shitting it. Putin gives an encyclopaedic run through Russian history for half an hour and doesn’t appear to have notes for the entire 2 hours - Biden shits in a bag and can’t remember much about anything. Genuinely fascinating and got to be peak 2024 already
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 9, 2024 9:13:03 GMT
x.com/elonmusk/status/1755735631664128494?s=46Regardless of opinion of either this is what journalism looks like and 66m views shows why mainstream media is shitting it. Putin gives an encyclopaedic run through Russian history for half an hour and doesn’t appear to have notes for the entire 2 hours - Biden shits in a bag and can’t remember much about anything. Genuinely fascinating and got to be peak 2024 already Debatable whether its accurate history however. But I get your point. He's a lot more lucid than the coffin dodger in the Whitehouse. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 9, 2024 9:50:08 GMT
A man’s man in makeup interviewing one of the biggest pieces of shit in the World? I think I’ll pass.
How time’s have changed from “the war on communism” etc.
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Post by adri2008 on Feb 9, 2024 10:00:48 GMT
'This is how democracies die', EU lawmaker says amid Putin interview controversy
Guy Verhofstadt, a former Belgian prime minister and current member of the European parliament, said that Tucker Carlson’s interview with Vladimir Putin “is the best thing that ever happened” to the Russian leader.
“America tomorrow will suffer from having him spreading lies unchallenged and unfiltered. This is how democracies die,” he said.
I disagree with this completely. Democracies live and thrive through freedom of speech - regardless of your opinion, it's better people get Putin's views from Putin himself rather than social media sources.
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 9, 2024 10:02:59 GMT
A free interview to lie and spread propaganda surely and Carlson is giving Putin a platform to do it. I remember the early days of the war when Putin was targeting Schools and Kindergarten's so forgive me when I don't believe a word he has to say on anything. Every person that has ran an election against Putin is either dead or in prison too, he's a control freak who wants to control the narrative and that Puppet is helping him.
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Post by noustie on Feb 9, 2024 10:03:49 GMT
x.com/elonmusk/status/1755735631664128494?s=46Regardless of opinion of either this is what journalism looks like and 66m views shows why mainstream media is shitting it. Putin gives an encyclopaedic run through Russian history for half an hour and doesn’t appear to have notes for the entire 2 hours - Biden shits in a bag and can’t remember much about anything. Genuinely fascinating and got to be peak 2024 already Debatable whether its accurate history however. But I get your point. He's a lot more lucid than the coffin dodger in the Whitehouse. Oh without doubt but for me that's why I reckon it's so important - his version is now out in the public domain in the west open to scrutiny. If he's waffling bollocks there'll be plenty queuing up to prove it whereas if they can only pick around the edges of it then he's out there offering a differing perspective to the one we're fed our side. Maybe over egging it but it seems like the type of interview that's referenced years into the future on history documentaries - last time BBC knocked out similar it was so a prince could confirm he was unable of sweating and wasn't a massive nonce in comparison. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 9, 2024 10:10:24 GMT
Debatable whether its accurate history however. But I get your point. He's a lot more lucid than the coffin dodger in the Whitehouse. Oh without doubt but for me that's why I reckon it's so important - his version is now out in the public domain in the west open to scrutiny. If he's waffling bollocks there'll be plenty queuing up to prove it whereas if they can only pick around the edges of it then he's out there offering a differing perspective to the one we're fed our side. Maybe over egging it but it seems like the type of interview that's referenced years into the future on history documentaries - last time BBC knocked out similar it was so a prince could confirm he was unable of sweating and wasn't a massive nonce in comparison. We don't live in that world though do we? Joe Bloggski will be lapping up his fascist bullshit. |
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Post by adri2008 on Feb 9, 2024 10:16:05 GMT
Debatable whether its accurate history however. But I get your point. He's a lot more lucid than the coffin dodger in the Whitehouse. Oh without doubt but for me that's why I reckon it's so important - his version is now out in the public domain in the west open to scrutiny. If he's waffling bollocks there'll be plenty queuing up to prove it whereas if they can only pick around the edges of it then he's out there offering a differing perspective to the one we're fed our side. That's exactly how I view it. Democracies shouldn't be afraid of opinions or feel the need to 'filter' (i.e. control) the flow of information. These words are coming directly from Putin's mouth so win the argument based on what he's saying. |
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Post by noustie on Feb 9, 2024 10:16:49 GMT
Oh without doubt but for me that's why I reckon it's so important - his version is now out in the public domain in the west open to scrutiny. If he's waffling bollocks there'll be plenty queuing up to prove it whereas if they can only pick around the edges of it then he's out there offering a differing perspective to the one we're fed our side. Maybe over egging it but it seems like the type of interview that's referenced years into the future on history documentaries - last time BBC knocked out similar it was so a prince could confirm he was unable of sweating and wasn't a massive nonce in comparison. We don't live in that world though do we? Joe Bloggski will be lapping up his fascist bullshit. Yeah but Joe Bloggs is lapping ours up - I'd rather hear from him myself than allow our media to do my thinking for me. Doesn't mean I support what he says or his actions but without understanding the nuances there won't be progress. He says in the interview at the close of the USSR part of the deal was the understanding Nato wouldn't expand towards Russian territory. He says it's happened 5 times before he kicked off in Ukraine - if he's speaking bollocks it's easily refutable. |
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Post by noustie on Feb 9, 2024 10:18:48 GMT
Oh without doubt but for me that's why I reckon it's so important - his version is now out in the public domain in the west open to scrutiny. If he's waffling bollocks there'll be plenty queuing up to prove it whereas if they can only pick around the edges of it then he's out there offering a differing perspective to the one we're fed our side. That's exactly how I view it. Democracies shouldn't be afraid of opinions or feel the need to 'filter' (i.e. control) the flow of information. These words are coming directly from Putin's mouth so win the argument based on what he's saying. My thoughts exactly mate - If this was Twitter I'd be following you and sending you a dick pic in the DMs as a welcome! |
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Post by wannabee on Feb 9, 2024 10:29:16 GMT
Tucker is a Hired Gun without convictions, he told us so himself
This is part of the rehabilitation of Putin required by Trump/Republicans
Next they'll be telling us Putin only has Two Legs not Four
Ukraine is not important, it's America First Baby.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 9, 2024 10:40:09 GMT
We don't live in that world though do we? Joe Bloggski will be lapping up his fascist bullshit. Yeah but Joe Bloggs is lapping ours up - I'd rather hear from him myself than allow our media to do my thinking for me. Doesn't mean I support what he says or his actions but without understanding the nuances there won't be progress. He says in the interview at the close of the USSR part of the deal was the understanding Nato wouldn't expand towards Russian territory. He says it's happened 5 times before he kicked off in Ukraine - if he's speaking bollocks it's easily refutable. I don't disagree with any of that but you also have to respect the dangers of giving dictators any audience at all. A lot of people are not capable of critical thought. Society loves to remember the Second World War and defeating fascism but it just hasn't happened. For what it's worth I think there is probably a degree in truth in that last sentence, I'm under no illusion the West are equally as aggressive. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 9, 2024 10:42:39 GMT
Yeah but Joe Bloggs is lapping ours up - I'd rather hear from him myself than allow our media to do my thinking for me. Doesn't mean I support what he says or his actions but without understanding the nuances there won't be progress. He says in the interview at the close of the USSR part of the deal was the understanding Nato wouldn't expand towards Russian territory. He says it's happened 5 times before he kicked off in Ukraine - if he's speaking bollocks it's easily refutable. I don't disagree with any of that but you also have to respect the dangers of giving dictators any audience at all. A lot of people are not capable of critical thought. Society loves to remember the Second World War and defeating fascism but it just hasn't happened. For what it's worth I think there is probably a degree in truth in that last sentence, I'm under no illusion the West are equally as aggressive. And when they did it, they locked up people like Carlson who spent his time fawning over dictators in the East. Democracies have never truly had a full concept of “free speech”. They have a damn sight more than what Putin allows his serfs though. |
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Post by noustie on Feb 9, 2024 13:34:54 GMT
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 9, 2024 13:41:17 GMT
Two complete and utter worms.
Carlson nodding along like a lapdog because he's shit scared of questioning Putin and his evil regime. It's a shame a missile didn't strike at that very moment.
Proper interview my arse crack.
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Post by Gods on Feb 9, 2024 16:32:58 GMT
Why didn't Carlson challenge Putin on anything?
He's not a proper reporter is he?
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Post by musik on Feb 9, 2024 17:38:02 GMT
Why didn't Carlson challenge Putin on anything? He's not a proper reporter is he? He likes Trump. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 9, 2024 17:42:22 GMT
I disagree with this completely. Democracies live and thrive through freedom of speech - regardless of your opinion, it's better people get Putin's views from Putin himself rather than social media sources. It's just piping unchallenged propaganda from a brutal, murderous, lying dictator though. Is this fuck journalism. Any journalist who asks Putin real questions is killed or imprisoned. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 9, 2024 17:44:14 GMT
There are literally innocent Ukrainians chained up in basements and being skinned alive and it's "good journalism" to pipe the propaganda lies that justify it to everyone.
Jesus wept.
You can go read TASS or watch Russia Today if you want to see how the genociders excuse themselves.
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 9, 2024 17:47:50 GMT
"The Poles forced, played around too much and forced Hitler to begin WW2 in Poland. Hitler had no choice” - PutinDidn't see Tucker challenging that. So if we believe Putin then do we think that Auschwitz was Poland's fault and we shouldn't blame the Nazis? 🤔 |
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Post by musik on Feb 9, 2024 17:53:38 GMT
Democracies live and thrive through freedom of speech - regardless of your opinion, it's better people get Putin's views from Putin himself rather than social media sources. I haven't seen the whole interview, but now I get why Trump said he would solve the war situation in Ukraine in 2-3 weeks. Simply by not helping Ukraine. Putin said the war could be over in a few weeks if noone helped Ukraine. According to Swedish News Putin talked historically all the way back to the Dark Ages. But historically the world map has been redrawn so many times you can't even count them. Who is to say what the right version is? It's silly. Maybe it's time to erase all borders. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 9, 2024 17:56:16 GMT
Democracies live and thrive through freedom of speech - regardless of your opinion, it's better people get Putin's views from Putin himself rather than social media sources. I haven't seen the whole interview, but now I get why Trump said he would solve the war situation in Ukraine in 2-3 weeks. Simply by not helping Ukraine. Putin said the war could be over in a few weeks if noone helped Ukraine. According to Swedish News Putin talked historically all the way back to the Dark Ages. But historically the world map has been redrawn so many times you can't even count them. Who is to say what the right version is? It's silly. Maybe it's time to erase all borders. Trump is already cutting off US aid to Ukraine. It's dragging out the war and giving Putin a hope of victory. If Putin takes any land in Ukraine then he will see that the West is weak and we will let him conquer new land. He'll conscript the Ukrainians and use them as meat to invade Europe. So if we don't send a bit of aid to Ukraine now, while russia is weakened, we need to spend a huge amount more on defence to prepare for the invasions when Russia has recovered. |
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Post by musik on Feb 9, 2024 18:04:02 GMT
"The Poles forced, played around too much and forced Hitler to begin WW2 in Poland. Hitler had no choice” - PutinDidn't see Tucker challenging that. So if we believe Putin then do we think that Auschwitz was Poland's fault and we shouldn't blame the Nazis? 🤔 "Hitler had no choice." Did he really say that? History repeats. "Played around", what does it mean? |
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Post by LDE76 on Feb 9, 2024 18:05:17 GMT
"The Poles forced, played around too much and forced Hitler to begin WW2 in Poland. Hitler had no choice” - Putin Didn't see Tucker challenging that. Or "reminding" Putin that Germany and the USSR had already agreed to carve up Poland and the Soviets invaded just over a fortnight later, going on to murder twenty-two thousand Polish army officers in cold blood. |
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Post by Northy on Feb 9, 2024 18:42:32 GMT
Debatable whether its accurate history however. But I get your point. He's a lot more lucid than the coffin dodger in the Whitehouse. Oh without doubt but for me that's why I reckon it's so important - his version is now out in the public domain in the west open to scrutiny. If he's waffling bollocks there'll be plenty queuing up to prove it whereas if they can only pick around the edges of it then he's out there offering a differing perspective to the one we're fed our side. Maybe over egging it but it seems like the type of interview that's referenced years into the future on history documentaries - last time BBC knocked out similar it was so a prince could confirm he was unable of sweating and wasn't a massive nonce in comparison. Trouble is with that is that lots of people in Russia will believe him, just as he's about to mobilise more meat for the grinder. |
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Post by Northy on Feb 9, 2024 18:44:04 GMT
Why didn't Carlson challenge Putin on anything? He's not a proper reporter is he? Nope, weak as piss, and the offer of exchange of an American reporter for a Russian murderer in a German jail either. |
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Post by adri2008 on Feb 9, 2024 19:11:16 GMT
I disagree with this completely. Democracies live and thrive through freedom of speech - regardless of your opinion, it's better people get Putin's views from Putin himself rather than social media sources. It's just piping unchallenged propaganda from a brutal, murderous, lying dictator though. Is this fuck journalism. Any journalist who asks Putin real questions is killed or imprisoned. Western democracies are more than happy to turn a blind eye when it suits them, see Israel for the latest example. I just dont like the idea of 'filtering' information. Its dangerous territory when we assume the population are too stupid to make their own judgement and need to be spoon fed things to come to the correct conclusion. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 9, 2024 20:23:45 GMT
It's just piping unchallenged propaganda from a brutal, murderous, lying dictator though. Is this fuck journalism. Any journalist who asks Putin real questions is killed or imprisoned. Western democracies are more than happy to turn a blind eye when it suits them, see Israel for the latest example. I just dont like the idea of 'filtering' information. Its dangerous territory when we assume the population are too stupid to make their own judgement and need to be spoon fed things to come to the correct conclusion. Sure, but we don't need to actively help murderous, lying, genocidal dictators. |
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