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Post by riccyfuller93 on Feb 6, 2024 1:24:59 GMT
Anybody on here knowledgeable on Artex/Asbestos or that kind of thing in general?
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Post by salopstick on Feb 6, 2024 4:23:36 GMT
Yep
Dont touch it.
Get a professional in.
1000s still die from asbestos diseases every year. Only you won’t realise you have breathed it for a few years
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Feb 6, 2024 6:02:48 GMT
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Post by milton58 on Feb 6, 2024 6:02:48 GMT
Anybody on here knowledgeable on Artex/Asbestos or that kind of thing in general? artex had minimal asbestos in when it was in fashion....always thought if it had been painted it wasn't a risk to health cause it had been sealed
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 6, 2024 6:06:19 GMT
You can test for asbestos in an artex ceiling in umpteen places and get negative results, yet it could still have asbestos content.
The percentage of asbestos in artex is typically low but difficult to find as it got spread through the wet mix.
The right thing to do would be at least to get the ceiling tested. Somebody like AIB locally could do that and safely remove the ceiling if necessary.
Friability is the key, that makes fibre release more likely, if it's contained in a bound product, like floor tiles, the risk is reduced.
It's a wonder material, even now, it's properties are myriad but it's an indiscriminate killer. Salop is right, it still kills plenty.
It's still used in India, China and probably the middle east I imagine. There's lobbyists, a bit like the tobacco industry, that advocate for it's use.
There's some mad photos around, asbestos shovelling contests in Australia is the one that springs to mind. Dust blowing everywhere.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 6, 2024 6:10:50 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 6, 2024 6:10:59 GMT
Anybody on here knowledgeable on Artex/Asbestos or that kind of thing in general? artex had minimal asbestos in when it was in fashion....always thought if it had been painted it wasn't a risk to health cause it had been sealed If you're smashing a ceiling down you break the bonds that bind the material. It's a messy job. Victorian buildings with original lath and plaster are less risk as asbestos wasn't a thing there. They used horse hair as a binder then, you just have to worry about anthrax spores with that one 😬 Lead content in roof spaces of older buildings too, especially in main roads. Lead in paint is another big one, scraping and burning releases it, all you can really do is wet sand and PPE up as if you're removing asbestos.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 6, 2024 6:12:35 GMT
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Post by frasier37 on Feb 6, 2024 7:52:23 GMT
Worked in it for years mixing it (dust clouds in my face) putting it on, getting in eyes etc. Later spent years scraping it off (dust clouds) and over skimming it Then they tell me its unsafe Oh well, prob tell me talking to felonious was bad for my health in a few years
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Post by Northy on Feb 6, 2024 8:14:34 GMT
As others have said, don't touch it, get a professional in to test it, it tended not to be used after the early 90's in Artex but you cant be sure.
There's 3 types of asbestos that were commonly used, white, brown and blue, with white being less hazardous and blue being the worst, artex normally had white in it. I've seen all 3 in the past, and still see it about today, I did pipe lagging courses and lagged big pipes over 40 years ago, I'm OK at the moment.
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Feb 6, 2024 8:33:56 GMT
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Post by noustie on Feb 6, 2024 8:33:56 GMT
Next up is ‘Forever Chemicals’ - insurers have started to completely exclude it from Public Liability policies already!
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Feb 6, 2024 8:52:58 GMT
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Post by milton58 on Feb 6, 2024 8:52:58 GMT
If it is ceiling instead of getting rid off artex would be a very high cost with minimal asbestos in it...why don't you get it plastered then it would have been ceiled twice
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Feb 6, 2024 8:54:23 GMT
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Post by sticky on Feb 6, 2024 8:54:23 GMT
You can send a sample off through the post for about £30. All the information out there scares the hell out of you, and when you look into external sources to help, it costs an absoloute fortune. In short it’s a pain in the arse. If you can PPE up and send off a sample it’d at least be a start
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Feb 6, 2024 13:19:45 GMT
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Feb 6, 2024 13:19:45 GMT
Yep Dont touch it. Get a professional in. 1000s still die from asbestos diseases every year. Only you won’t realise you have breathed it for a few years Well this is the thing. I’ve already touched it, but I don’t know if it contains asbestos or not. It’s like a textured wallpaper on plasterboard. The ceiling is slightly damaged and it’s only been brought to my attention recently about asbestos which is giving me a lot of anxiety
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 6, 2024 13:20:51 GMT
Yep Dont touch it. Get a professional in. 1000s still die from asbestos diseases every year. Only you won’t realise you have breathed it for a few years Not just a few years, Salop. I knew a chief accountant at Port Talbot in the 00s who retired at circa 60 and a year later he died of asbestosis. Nobody could understand it as he had spent all his career at the steelworks climbing the accounts promotion ladder. Sone digging was done and it was discovered than he started his career as a mechanical engineer and didn't like it so got qualified as an accountant and got a job in Accounts. Turns out in his young days he had been working in the power station in the 60s which was "covered" in asbestos lagging. It had been dormant in him for 40 years.
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Feb 6, 2024 14:07:30 GMT
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Post by milton58 on Feb 6, 2024 14:07:30 GMT
Yep Dont touch it. Get a professional in. 1000s still die from asbestos diseases every year. Only you won’t realise you have breathed it for a few years Well this is the thing. I’ve already touched it, but I don’t know if it contains asbestos or not. It’s like a textured wallpaper on plasterboard. The ceiling is slightly damaged and it’s only been brought to my attention recently about asbestos which is giving me a lot of anxiety wouldn't worry to much fella most artex is harmless
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Feb 6, 2024 14:23:26 GMT
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Post by gawa on Feb 6, 2024 14:23:26 GMT
Yep Dont touch it. Get a professional in. 1000s still die from asbestos diseases every year. Only you won’t realise you have breathed it for a few years Well this is the thing. I’ve already touched it, but I don’t know if it contains asbestos or not. It’s like a textured wallpaper on plasterboard. The ceiling is slightly damaged and it’s only been brought to my attention recently about asbestos which is giving me a lot of anxiety I'm pretty certain I have asbestos in my home. The soil pipe 100% is asbestos and is slightly disturbed but it's lodged between my back window and conservatory and not really accessible so not too worried. Also have what I think may be asbestos above an old gate which leads out from my back garden to a road. And again above a gate connecting my house to my garage. None of it really worries me though. The soil pipe at some point may need replaced but then most of the people in my street have same soil pipes and lived here much longer than me. The fact it isn't easily accessible is good. The other parts aren't disturbed at all so again don't worry me. Plenty of stuff out there which is dangerous and causes cancer. Nobody really talks about radon gas and its links to cancer for instance - probably more risky than asbestos in some instances. Wouldn't let it worry you too much. Not worth it.
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Feb 6, 2024 17:02:13 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 6, 2024 17:02:13 GMT
Well this is the thing. I’ve already touched it, but I don’t know if it contains asbestos or not. It’s like a textured wallpaper on plasterboard. The ceiling is slightly damaged and it’s only been brought to my attention recently about asbestos which is giving me a lot of anxiety I'm pretty certain I have asbestos in my home. The soil pipe 100% is asbestos and is slightly disturbed but it's lodged between my back window and conservatory and not really accessible so not too worried. Also have what I think may be asbestos above an old gate which leads out from my back garden to a road. And again above a gate connecting my house to my garage. None of it really worries me though. The soil pipe at some point may need replaced but then most of the people in my street have same soil pipes and lived here much longer than me. The fact it isn't easily accessible is good. The other parts aren't disturbed at all so again don't worry me. Plenty of stuff out there which is dangerous and causes cancer. Nobody really talks about radon gas and its links to cancer for instance - probably more risky than asbestos in some instances. Wouldn't let it worry you too much. Not worth it. Radon is an interesting one. The health authorities expected to see instances of lung cancer drop along with the decline in smoking. It hasn't happened like that. There was a study being done in areas of the UK and Poland known for large scale mining operations and release of radon in those locations not mapped for it. Theory being the coal and sticky clay that is removed served as a natural 'membrane' or barrier, slowing the passage of the gas to levels that cause little harm. Mining and opening up those breaches theoretically removes this natural protection and the gas can travel in quantities it previously couldn't, potentially causing a health risk that wasn't considered previously. It's a good few years ago I read about that when the government started pushing workplace radon monitoring so it might all be disproven bunkem though. Sounded relatively plausible to me, not being a geologist and all that.
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